SupremeCommander wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:Its the totality of the trade that is so putrid. We gave up SO F much and will be paying for it 4 years. That Denver club is in such good shape--they killed us and they would wipe us out in a 7 games series. Throw in randolph picks pick flips for a guy we couldve had in FA for almost nothing. Melo is a very good player--not a great player. If we remained patient--our team wouldve been so *formidable* it would've been joke--we couldve won 3-4 championships. Now we are going to be under the gun to fill this thing out --id ont know what happens here---root for the best but any way you lookat it--we lost this trade by miles-I dont need years to tell me that.

Melo is a legit superstar. In four years, you'll have to look the trade up to remember exactly what we gave up to get Melo

I can see him "carrying" a team in a particular game, but not a series.

If you watched that Denver team tonight, you would have seen an entirely different team than when Melo was the alpha dog. Billups would fit with the team, but not Anthony. The Denver announcers seem amazed at the team's transformation and how everyone has stepped up.

Great team defense and guys cutting to the basket all the time on offense. A Doug Moe offense with great team defensive instincts. You also have 4 bigs, with Mosguv, Nene, Anderson, and Koufos, not to mention Martin, who seems reborn. I think MDA would like coaching Denver as they now stand.

More importantly- a soft Mozguv 12 footer gave the crowd free (or discounted) tacos at Taco Bell for Thursday.

Paladin55 wrote:

SupremeCommander wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:Its the totality of the trade that is so putrid. We gave up SO F much and will be paying for it 4 years. That Denver club is in such good shape--they killed us and they would wipe us out in a 7 games series. Throw in randolph picks pick flips for a guy we couldve had in FA for almost nothing. Melo is a very good player--not a great player. If we remained patient--our team wouldve been so *formidable* it would've been joke--we couldve won 3-4 championships. Now we are going to be under the gun to fill this thing out --id ont know what happens here---root for the best but any way you lookat it--we lost this trade by miles-I dont need years to tell me that.

Melo is a legit superstar. In four years, you'll have to look the trade up to remember exactly what we gave up to get Melo

Don't think he is a superstar- just does not have the complete game and is not a leader. The guy's a scorer- one of the best- but not much more.

I can see him "carrying" a team in a particular game, but not a series.

If you watched that Denver team tonight, you would have seen an entirely different team than when Melo was the alpha dog. Billups would fit with the team, but not Anthony. The Denver announcers seem amazed at the team's transformation and how everyone has stepped up.

Great team defense and guys cutting to the basket all the time on offense. I think MDA would like coaching Denver as they now stand.

More importantly- a soft Mozguv 12 footer gave the crowd free (or discounted) tacos at Taco Bell for Thursday.

SUPERSTAR!!

PEOPLE WHO DON'T REALIZE THAT CARMELO IS A LEGITIMATE SUPERSTAR: F-minus-minus

One of the strangest subplots this week: Everyone rushing to pick Carmelo's game apart, especially people who rely on advanced metrics and ended up getting caught up in small-picture stuff. Carmelo has one elite skill (he rebounds extremely well for a small forward) and one transcendent skill (he's as good as anyone in the league at scoring and/or getting to the line, especially in crunch time). You can absolutely, positively, unquestionably win a championship if Carmelo Anthony is your creator at the end of a basketball game. The Knicks didn't have anyone like that. Few teams do.

Now throw this in: He's only 26.

Now throw this in: Ten guys started the 2011 All-Star Game. In a 30-team league, the Knicks suddenly have two of them.

Now throw this in: The other players know. They know who's good. They know who's worth a damn. They know who they'd go to war with. So you can't discount (A) how well Carmelo played on the 2008 Olympic team; (B) how much the other guys respected him; and (C) how the key guys on that team were Kobe, LeBron, Wade and Carmelo. It can't be forgotten. It just can't. Neither can the fact that he nearly carried a limited Nuggets team to the Finals two years ago.

Now throw this in: If there was ever a player who could be ignited by a great basketball city and a consistently fantastic crowd, it's Carmelo Anthony. He's been stuck in a relatively icy cruise control for two solid years, playing in a city he didn't totally love, being professional about it, trying hard every game ... and yet, there was something detached about him. No longer. I hate how he weaseled his way to the Knicks and pissed on Denver fans, but that's over. Let's look at this thing objectively: He's going to kill it with the Knicks. I'd bet anything. They haven't had someone like this since Bernard King, which is funny because I always thought Melo was Bernard 2.0. Playing in New York isn't for everyone, but in this case, it will be the best thing that ever happened to Carmelo Anthony.

I keep hearing that you can't win a title with Melo and Amare. Agreed. But you can win the title with Carmelo, Amare and Chris Paul (or Dwight Howard, or Deron Williams). In the short term, you can make some noise, rock the building and make Knicks fans forget about the 10 excruciating years they just endured. And you can scare the living hell out of the fans from the other Eastern contenders. Believe me, as a Celtics fan, I want no part of the Knicks this spring for one reason: You never want to play a playoff series in which the other team has the best guy. There's a decent chance Carmelo could just go off 1984 Bernard-style in Round 1 or Round 2. I'm crapping my pants just thinking about it. Over everything else, THAT is why they had to make this trade. A week ago, the Knicks were a .500 team. Now, they matter. And if you're throwing stats at me, I'll counter with this one: 15 for 15. Thank you and please drive through.

http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/page2/story?page=simmons/110225/part1&sportCat=nba

On BRIGGS wrote - so true, man. I am 100% Denver would beat us in a 7 game series. Easy.

babyKnicks wrote:

orangeblobman wrote:On AR - guy is a bum

On BRIGGS wrote - so true, man. I am 100% Denver would beat us in a 7 game series. Easy.

You guys are on crack. Briggs, did you not see us blow out the hornets?

What does blowing out the Hornets have to do with the price of beer in Hsinchu?

BRIGGS wrote:Its the totality of the trade that is so putrid. We gave up SO F much and will be paying for it 4 years. That Denver club is in such good shape--they killed us and they would wipe us out in a 7 games series. Throw in randolph picks pick flips for a guy we couldve had in FA for almost nothing. Melo is a very good player--not a great player. If we remained patient--our team wouldve been so *formidable* it would've been joke--we couldve won 3-4 championships. Now we are going to be under the gun to fill this thing out --id ont know what happens here---root for the best but any way you lookat it--we lost this trade by miles-I dont need years to tell me that.

Stop with this BS. Anthony was NOT going the free agency route. He didn't want to risk possibly 40 million dollars. He was ready to sign an extension with NJ. The Knicks had a choice- either no trade or trade exactly what Denver wanted. Thats the facts. Would have I rather had Anthony here with just giving up Chandler? Sure but thats not what was going to happen. So stop restating every day the same BS that we gave up too much for no reason. Those were the 2 choices and the Knicks decided if was better to get Anthony now (the star) and get the secondary pieces later.

babyKnicks wrote:

orangeblobman wrote:

babyKnicks wrote:

orangeblobman wrote:On AR - guy is a bum

On BRIGGS wrote - so true, man. I am 100% Denver would beat us in a 7 game series. Easy.

You guys are on crack. Briggs, did you not see us blow out the hornets?

What does blowing out the Hornets have to do with the price of beer in Hsinchu?

Waaa. Waaa. The only person you can miss is mosgovs height. Everyone else has been replace by young superstars.

Keep crying. It's starting to get fun.

The knocks beat a hornets team with their backup PG.

Btw, AR had a big game last night.

What? You seem to be talking to yourself.

babyKnicks wrote:

orangeblobman wrote:On AR - guy is a bum

On BRIGGS wrote - so true, man. I am 100% Denver would beat us in a 7 game series. Easy.

You guys are on crack. Briggs, did you not see us blow out the hornets?

Hornets are paper tigers, IMO.

...and unless Paul has some kind of rebirth as a player- I don't want to see us pay him max $$.

Paladin55 wrote:

SupremeCommander wrote:

Paladin55 wrote:

SupremeCommander wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:Its the totality of the trade that is so putrid. We gave up SO F much and will be paying for it 4 years. That Denver club is in such good shape--they killed us and they would wipe us out in a 7 games series. Throw in randolph picks pick flips for a guy we couldve had in FA for almost nothing. Melo is a very good player--not a great player. If we remained patient--our team wouldve been so *formidable* it would've been joke--we couldve won 3-4 championships. Now we are going to be under the gun to fill this thing out --id ont know what happens here---root for the best but any way you lookat it--we lost this trade by miles-I dont need years to tell me that.

Melo is a legit superstar. In four years, you'll have to look the trade up to remember exactly what we gave up to get Melo

Don't think he is a superstar- just does not have the complete game and is not a leader. The guy's a scorer- one of the best- but not much more.

I can see him "carrying" a team in a particular game, but not a series.

If you watched that Denver team tonight, you would have seen an entirely different team than when Melo was the alpha dog. Billups would fit with the team, but not Anthony. The Denver announcers seem amazed at the team's transformation and how everyone has stepped up.

Great team defense and guys cutting to the basket all the time on offense. I think MDA would like coaching Denver as they now stand.

More importantly- a soft Mozguv 12 footer gave the crowd free (or discounted) tacos at Taco Bell for Thursday.

SUPERSTAR!!

Well, heck...

that settles it.

BRIGGS wrote:Its the totality of the trade that is so putrid. We gave up SO F much and will be paying for it 4 years. That Denver club is in such good shape--they killed us and they would wipe us out in a 7 games series. Throw in randolph picks pick flips for a guy we couldve had in FA for almost nothing. Melo is a very good player--not a great player. If we remained patient--our team wouldve been so *formidable* it would've been joke--we couldve won 3-4 championships. Now we are going to be under the gun to fill this thing out --id ont know what happens here---root for the best but any way you lookat it--we lost this trade by miles-I dont need years to tell me that.

At least someone gets it.

The trade was so stupid from a "long term" perspective, that's why some people feel certain that Walsh and D'Antoni are full of **** when they say they were in favor of this deal. It looks like a Dolan/Isiah deal.

Every single deal to date either added good assets, made us younger, freed up cap space, or some combination of the above. Perhaps some deals were not great, but at least you understood the thinking because it was consistent.

Now all of a sudden we give up every single bit of our youthful upside, draft picks, and virtually the entire starting team for a "big name and overrated scorer" and wipe out all the cap space to do it?

This is page 1 from the Isiah play book.

Do anything you can to get the overrated scorer and worry about it later. Then when later comes and you find out he's overrated and you don't have the space to get all the things you still need, you make excuses rinse and repeat.

If it wasn't for the fact that we got Billups, this deal would be a catastrophe.