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Can an NBA player learn to shoot? Is there hope for Fields?
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FoeDiddy
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3/2/2011  10:15 PM
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PresIke wrote:
crzymdups wrote:^I think David Lee is a good comparison. Reminds me of DLee - hard hard worker, good feel for the game, despite not elite athleticism.

fields is a better defender than lee, though.

totally agree. but, still, their work ethic is similar.

and dlee wasn't so much a bad defender as he was just undersized for the PF position and trying to stay out of foul trouble and not a shotblocker. dlee was a good player... just not a great defender. and the horrible perimeter defense we had here for years made him look worse. he could have contested driving guys who beat their man from the perimeter, but he'd have fouled out after 15 minutes every night.

David Lee was point blank bad on defense. We still have bad perimeter defense at times but at least Amare challenges some shots.

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3/2/2011  10:16 PM
to be more than honest...

this is the LEAST of our problems...

i can't believe this is even a topic for discussion, to be honest...again.

but i bit...

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3/2/2011  10:19 PM
FoeDiddy wrote:
crzymdups wrote:
PresIke wrote:
crzymdups wrote:^I think David Lee is a good comparison. Reminds me of DLee - hard hard worker, good feel for the game, despite not elite athleticism.

fields is a better defender than lee, though.

totally agree. but, still, their work ethic is similar.

and dlee wasn't so much a bad defender as he was just undersized for the PF position and trying to stay out of foul trouble and not a shotblocker. dlee was a good player... just not a great defender. and the horrible perimeter defense we had here for years made him look worse. he could have contested driving guys who beat their man from the perimeter, but he'd have fouled out after 15 minutes every night.

David Lee was point blank bad on defense. We still have bad perimeter defense at times but at least Amare challenges some shots.

I think Lee could have been better than what he was and is on defense. I've seen him with very great defensive moments and he wasn't even blocking shots. He just never was consistent with it. Could have been a million things, but it was what it was. Still love the guy though, and I'd actually take him over Fields on any team... and I'm a big Fields fan.

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3/2/2011  10:19 PM
misterearl wrote:The very LEAST one can do before starting s thread is a bit of research

Landry, leading the Knicks in fg efficiency, shoots 509 from the fields.

C'mon Son! GTFOHWTB

He will only get better. Dude is a freakin' rookie and has started since day one, without hitting the so-called rookie wall.

sheesh

Wow - bad day I guess. FG% has nothing to do with being a good shooter. Some of the worst shooters have the highest FG% (scoring and shooting are not the same).

FIelds is a gem of a find and I love watching him. He has a very high IQ and takes quality shots (hence the high FG%). It would be great if he can just develop a true Jump shot.

Fields must be a better shooter than Ray Allen if he has a higher shooting pct - uh huh ...

so here is what phil is thinking ....
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3/2/2011  10:22 PM    LAST EDITED: 3/2/2011  10:23 PM
Say What?

"FG% has nothing to do with being a good shooter."

Nothing?

(Landry Fields shoots 40 per cent from three point range)

You funny.

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3/2/2011  10:25 PM
PresIke wrote:
SupremeCommander wrote:hahaha this is friggin absurd. Fields is 31st in the league in 3P%

http://www.nba.com/statistics/player/3PointS.jsp?league=00&season=22010&conf=OVERALL&position=0&splitType=9&splitScope=GAME&qualified=Y&yearsExp=-1&splitDD=

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3/2/2011  10:27 PM
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3/2/2011  10:27 PM
JohnWallace44 wrote:Will Eddy Curry ever learn to eat?

lol

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3/2/2011  10:28 PM
misterearl wrote:The very LEAST one can do before starting s thread is a bit of research

Landry, leading the Knicks in fg efficiency, shoots 509 from the fields.

C'mon Son! GTFOHWTB

He will only get better. Dude is a freakin' rookie and has started since day one, without hitting the so-called rookie wall.

sheesh

word.

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3/2/2011  10:59 PM    LAST EDITED: 3/2/2011  11:45 PM
He squares up to the basket well but everyone knows that his shot is too flat. Part of the problem is how he uses his legs when he shoots, but I would not be surprised if works on his release and how he lets the ball come out of his hand.

Fields is the type of guy who will look over his game at the end of the year and probably announce on Twitter the things he will be doing to improve it.

Shot adjustment, IMO, unless you are trying to get a person's shot back to a previous state, is best left for the off season.

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3/2/2011  11:31 PM
umm, he is a older rookie but he got time to make it similar to dlee.
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3/2/2011  11:50 PM
misterearl wrote:Say What?

"FG% has nothing to do with being a good shooter."

Nothing?

(Landry Fields shoots 40 per cent from three point range)

You funny.

Thanks for the compliment.

Are Amir Johnson and Serge Ibaka good shooters because they have a high FG%? No. They take high PCT shots. Remember M. Bowl (may he rest in piece)? Fields takes many high percentage shots such as put backs, give-and-go's and wide open 3's (his legs barely even leave the floor). To be a really good guard and put pressure on the defense, you must have a mid range game which any novice knows he does not have. He is a very smart ball player and will only shoot high pct shots. Carmelo overall is one of the purest jump shooters in the league but he takes many touch shots that bring down his FG%. Fields, though a keeper and a great guy to have on the team is NOT a true shooter. Not sure why you are having such a hard time comprehending. So hoping Fields DEVELOPS a jump shot and a mid range game is quite relevent and is exactly what his one and only negative would be if you would ask any scout.

Now Ronny Turiaf has a 61% FG. He must have a great jump shot! Hilarious!

so here is what phil is thinking ....
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3/2/2011  11:58 PM
mreinman wrote:
misterearl wrote:Say What?

"FG% has nothing to do with being a good shooter."

Nothing?

(Landry Fields shoots 40 per cent from three point range)

You funny.

Thanks for the compliment.

Are Amir Johnson and Serge Ibaka good shooters because they have a high FG%? No. They take high PCT shots. Remember M. Bowl (may he rest in piece)? Fields takes many high percentage shots such as put backs, give-and-go's and wide open 3's (his legs barely even leave the floor). To be a really good guard and put pressure on the defense, you must have a mid range game which any novice knows he does not have. He is a very smart ball player and will only shoot high pct shots. Carmelo overall is one of the purest jump shooters in the league but he takes many touch shots that bring down his FG%. Fields, though a keeper and a great guy to have on the team is NOT a true shooter. Not sure why you are having such a hard time comprehending. So hoping Fields DEVELOPS a jump shot and a mid range game is quite relevent and is exactly what his one and only negative would be if you would ask any scout.

Now Ronny Turiaf has a 61% FG. He must have a great jump shot! Hilarious!

http://www.82games.com/1011/10NYK7.HTM

Fields not a pure shooting, classic SG but a majority of his shots are jump shots, and he does well at it, especially for a rookie who played PF as a collegiate player.

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3/3/2011  12:24 AM
That was an interesting site / stats - thanks. I wonder how many of those are set 3's off double teams (just curious - I might have missed it). Either way, this is no argument that he is/was a great find and I am happy to keep him over Galo. Galo, who has a rep of shooter was atrociously inconsistent and though he gets compared to Dirk, he will never be anywhere close to Dirk. Fields has a huge upside. I just hope he can develop a jump shot and learn to create his own shot like most good guards. With his IQ and diligent work ethic, I think and hope he can. Only a good scout can look at him and his current form and guess if he can do this. Let's hope - he would be priceless.
so here is what phil is thinking ....
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3/3/2011  1:26 PM
JohnWallace44 wrote:Will Eddy Curry ever learn to eat?

hahahahahahaha
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3/3/2011  1:29 PM
crzymdups wrote:
Allanfan20 wrote:He's good but he has to improve and based on the work ethic, he can...

Shooting is definitely something you can improve. I think there is one problem with any person that wants to be good shooters though. When they try to improve, they work on the "Proper" form or they mimic the players they loved watching. However, since everybody has different bodies, this doesn't always work, so Fields has to find out by himself what form works best for him and hopefully he will.

I honestly always wonder about this - are some people/players just born with a natural shooting ability?

I could always shoot really well in high school and stuff - it felt like I could work on it and get better, but it also felt like it just came naturally.

I guess I've always wondered if shooting comes naturally or if it's something you can develop. I kind of tend to think that the guys who can shoot can shoot and the guys who can't will always be at a disadvantage no matter how much they work. Maybe that's crazy.


Some people are natural shooters. Others arent but you can definitely learn. I was a really good shooter when I was really young but I stopped playing basketball for a year and i just completely forgot how to shoot. It took a lot of practice but i re learned.
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3/3/2011  1:32 PM
FoeDiddy wrote:He's not a bad shooter but is a set shooter so he needs to be completely open to hit a shot..any sort of pressure throws him off. He needs to get a pull up jumper off the dribble.

hes a got a decent mid range pullup just doesnt shoot it a lot. He hit one either last night or against orlando. He also hit a little fadeaway in the rookie-sophomore game.
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3/4/2011  6:31 AM
mreinman wrote:
Are Amir Johnson and Serge Ibaka good shooters because they have a high FG%? No. They take high PCT shots.

Come on now... Amir Johnson and Serge Ibaka are close to the rim, putback/dunk type players. Fields stays in the corner waiting to get the ball to shoot. He does garbage work too, but he shoots the three regularly, unlike Amir and Ibaka.

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3/4/2011  6:44 AM    LAST EDITED: 3/4/2011  6:51 AM
Repetition can not only do the trick, it is the trick. Anyone can learn to shoot.

But Fields already drops pretty good buckets, he doesn't need much to become awesome.

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3/4/2011  8:20 AM
The Answer Man Gives Credit to tj23 and martin for the assist

Q. mreinman - Can an NBA player learn to shoot?

A. Most NBA balers can shoot. Jared Jeffries don't count. They are the best of the best. I dug how Chet Walker morphed from reluctant role player on the Sixers to a feature player on the Bulls.

Q. Does Fields attract defensive attention from his opponent?

Yes.

Q. Can Fields navigate to spots on the court with a clear look at the rim?

A. martin - a majority of his shots are jump shots, and he does well at it

Does Fields attempt shots in the context of well-executed plays, and from spots on the floor within reasonable range, with positive results?

A. tj23 - he's a got a decent mid range pullup

Q. mreinman - Is there hope for Fields?

A. I certainly hope so.

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