I'm not exactly sure how you prevent it -- maybe some rule changes are in order. Certainly you can call offensive fouls when the shooter extends his leg into the oncoming defender. You also could give the defender the right to hold his arms still whether straight in the air or whether in front of him, so that the offensive player swinging his arms into the defender's would get the foul. I don't know how you address the offensive player stopping and getting run into. I hate that, particularly in the back court.

Needs to be fixed.

Juice wrote:

misterearl wrote:Anji - Whatever hill Chauncey Billups is over, it was up there. (raising hand above head)

Chauncey Billups made only 4 field goals and had 30 points.

They talked about this last night on NBATV Steve Smith and Kevin McHale hinting at the fact the league will review looking into foul calls.....Those of which players swing through raking the arms of defenders and quite possibly baiting guys into fouling them by cutting in front of them or jumping into them on jump shots. I've held previous discussions about this and now it seems like it's a league issue. Billups better milk this for as long as he can because I do sense some changes coming next year. Players only making plays looking for calls is hurting the league big time more than ever and many quality players are guilty of it from

Kevin Durant/Duncan/CP3 etc etc

When you go up for a shot having no intention of making the basket whatsoever only wanting a foul to be called.... really it should be a technical not a foul. This isn't basketball and it's pathetic to watch.

GodSaveTheKnicks wrote:Orlando is not a bad team. They beat OKC and the Lakers pretty handily last month. They have a legit MVP candidate and have been playing under the same coach for a while.

This new team has barely had any practice time together. MDA is going to have to figure out if the 2 new players (Fishlips, Brown) have a role on this squad and how to work them in. All this game to game fretting (of which I'm guilty of as well) is kind of pointless. I'm tempted to say let's wait till we have a training camp together and play at least half a season together before drawing any conclusions.

But let's at least wait till after a playoff series eh?

Jeffries took Balkman's minutes when he arrived. JJ was a good help defender and has a knack for getting his feet set and drawing the charge, this is what the defense is supposed to accomplish when TD takes that exaggerated stance. I dunno if they roll that out though. JJ knows enough not to clog the middle though he isn't the passer Turiaf is between them and Stat the C will be manned

I dunno if that helps against Orlando though. Billups nor Carter either one could stay with Nelson. I thought they should have gone small at the end and put TD on him on defense and let Chauncey run the point but then the knee came.

Would have been-

Chauncey
TD
Fields
Melo
Stat

that lineup played well at the end of our win at home.

nixluva wrote:They won't be able to stop What Chauncey does, cuz he does the same thing that guys do that use pump fakes. You get the guy running at you, pump fake and he's in the air, then you jump into him. Same as Chauncey driving and then stopping so that the chaser runs into him as he shoots. He's mastered the technique. For years Miller used to get guys to foul him by using that swim move up under their arms. Defenders need to realize the risk of just having your arms extended out reaching for the ball.

No nixluva there is a clear distinction of what's being done here. It's total manipulation and abuse to the point the league has caught notice. Billups is notorious along with point guards like CP3 and Devin Harris for purposely dribbling the ball in front of players then putting on the breaks only for players to run up their backs to get calls, penetrating to the basket at the most difficult obscure angles throwing themselves into the defender hoping for a call, or chasing after players arms on jump shots. When a defender has his arms spread and is already engaged defensively before a player makes an offensive move and they choose to wind up in pendulum like motion not looking to shoot a real shot, make a play at the rim, and/or pass this shouldn't be tolerated under any circumstance. Now if the offensive player engages in a shooting motion and then the defender reaches okay call the foul. This isn't always the case though and I think you know this. They aren't trying to make an actual basketball play..... their only concern is to frame defenders. Billups has been doing this well before he became a Knick, so no this isn't some point of henpecking here.

It's bad basketball period, no other way around it and yes I do believe it will be addressed and yes it will effect certain players games including Billups.

Juice made some interesting comments that deserve recognition and further exploration.

This team is more a roller coaster than a work in progress.

The ride is making me dizzy.

What was that about raising ticket prices by 49 per cent?

TMS wrote:

knickstorrents wrote:

JohnWallace44 wrote:Its really just a chemistry issue to me.

With a player like Melo, chemistry will always be an issue. Is it really any different from when he was in Denver?

that's a pretty ignorant comment, Melo's teams in Denver were coming off 3 straight 50+ win seasons, 7 consecutive playoff appearances, u don't do that in a team sport without good chemistry... just say you hate Melo's guts & be done with it & stop trying to hide your contempt with comments like this based on nonsense.

how about him, LBJ, Wade, and Kobe being the top dogs on the Redeem Team