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Outrebounded by Clevland 62-42? - not this year folks!
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nykshaknbake
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2/27/2011  10:47 AM
misterearl wrote:

nyshakeandbake - I wish I could depend on Shelden's unimpressive stats as the only barometer of his play. Unfortunately, having watched him up close for two years in Atlanta during two different tours of duty I can report without hesitation...

... that Sheldon Williams is a below average basketball player.

No matter how you slice it, below average is not a good formula for ANY NBA matchup.

This Ain't The ACC

No doubt the landlord sucks. But when Turiaf needs to rest he's really sadly all we got.

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DishingnSwishing
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2/27/2011  11:55 AM
misterearl wrote:
nykshaknbake wrote:
misterearl wrote:For some reason I am having a difficult time understanding the fascination for Shelden Williams. He has already had auditions for six different teams, not counting the Atlanta Hawks on two separate occasions. He has never played on a team for two consecutive seasons. When a player is bounced around that much that should be a caution signal that dude is not that good.

Just because he is new does not mean he can play.

It's doubtful he'll have a major positive effect but maybe we only get outrebounded by 10 or so instead of 20.

Shelden averages 4 rebounds for his career. You get outrebounded by 16.

You do the math.

He gets those 4 boards in about 12 minutes...Why not throw him out there and see what he can do..Can he cause things to be any worse?

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2/27/2011  12:04 PM
Finestrg wrote:
misterearl wrote:
nykshaknbake wrote:
misterearl wrote:For some reason I am having a difficult time understanding the fascination for Shelden Williams. He has already had auditions for six different teams, not counting the Atlanta Hawks on two separate occasions. He has never played on a team for two consecutive seasons. When a player is bounced around that much that should be a caution signal that dude is not that good.

Just because he is new does not mean he can play.

It's doubtful he'll have a major positive effect but maybe we only get outrebounded by 10 or so instead of 20.

Shelden averages 4 rebounds for his career. You get outrebounded by 16.

You do the math.

Faulty logic beyond reason right there fella..We're looking for a role player to perform a specific task..Not a star. Why are some of you guys against trying certain things?? AR, now Shelden Williams..It just astonishes me..It's a no-brainer right now to see if Shelden can address the rebounding problem..Logic dictates that he should be step 1 in the process..The guy fell into our lap here, now see what he can do..

I don't even care that he's new to the team and hasn't had much practice time...Big deal..He's a big guy that doesn't require the ball on offense at all..Dude's always been a big defensive/rebounding presence..How would he get in the way of our offensive players? Someone explain that to me??? Look, is he a great player? No..Borderline bust actually..But he should be able to supply what we need..That's his game..Let's find out..The dude actually wasn't half bad for the Nuggets filling in for K-Mart early on this season..He had some real good games where he really contributed sprinkled in there..This guy's game is like riding a bike -- if you're a rebounder/banger/defender, I doubt you suddenly forget how to do the dirty work. If that's your role, IT'S THE SAME FOR ANY TEAM YOU PLAY FOR..Go rebound the ball..Defend the post..Simple..I fail to see how he would suddenly interfere with our star players and what they do well..Does Joel Anthony interfere with Lebron/Wade/Bosh? No, he enhances what they do..He plays post defense and grabs rebounds so these guys can go do their thing...Bottom line is you wanna see if Shelden's an instant upgrade over Ronny Turiaf...That's what our coach needs to find out right now.

Well said. The Knicks need to address the rebounding issue or they could drop right out of the playoff picture. Trying a guy that you already have on your bench after the trade deadline that might be able to help improve an area your team is weak in seems like a logical step for a coach.
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2/27/2011  12:10 PM
Marbury made a point of putting a wall between himself and his teammates. There was an interesting article about how he behaved in the locker room when he first got here which I will try to find. I don't see Melo being that type of person. He ain't perfect but he is definitely a step up from Marbury.
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2/27/2011  12:12 PM
Now Melo is Marbury, is the idiot parade going on, have NYK fans become so cynical.
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2/27/2011  3:58 PM
misterearl wrote:

nyshakeandbake - I wish I could depend on Shelden's unimpressive stats as the only barometer of his play. Unfortunately, having watched him up close for two years in Atlanta during two different tours of duty I can report without hesitation...

... that Sheldon Williams is a below average basketball player.

No matter how you slice it, below average is not a good formula for ANY NBA matchup.

This Ain't The ACC

Earl is just angry Shelden married his cousin. It's not his fault he has that forehead and you have to see it regularly.

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2/27/2011  4:02 PM
Vmart wrote:Now Melo is Marbury, is the idiot parade going on, have NYK fans become so cynical.

beats me.. can't see the comparison in any way

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2/27/2011  4:49 PM
DishingnSwishing wrote:
misterearl wrote:
nykshaknbake wrote:
misterearl wrote:For some reason I am having a difficult time understanding the fascination for Shelden Williams. He has already had auditions for six different teams, not counting the Atlanta Hawks on two separate occasions. He has never played on a team for two consecutive seasons. When a player is bounced around that much that should be a caution signal that dude is not that good.

Just because he is new does not mean he can play.

It's doubtful he'll have a major positive effect but maybe we only get outrebounded by 10 or so instead of 20.

Shelden averages 4 rebounds for his career. You get outrebounded by 16.

You do the math.

He gets those 4 boards in about 12 minutes...Why not throw him out there and see what he can do..Can he cause things to be any worse?

That is a good point and the point. His rebounds/min are excellent. This year for Denver he played 17min/game and got 5.3 rebounds. Multiply that by 2 for starters minutes and he would have 34 mpg and 10.6 rebounds. For a bench player, that is good.

He doesn't need to score, we have Amare, Melo, Billups, Fields, Douglas, etc. for that. At 250+ lbs, he can box out and grab some rebounds. Sheldon is what we have right now, and we should make use of him.

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2/27/2011  4:55 PM
Markji wrote:
DishingnSwishing wrote:
misterearl wrote:
nykshaknbake wrote:
misterearl wrote:For some reason I am having a difficult time understanding the fascination for Shelden Williams. He has already had auditions for six different teams, not counting the Atlanta Hawks on two separate occasions. He has never played on a team for two consecutive seasons. When a player is bounced around that much that should be a caution signal that dude is not that good.

Just because he is new does not mean he can play.

It's doubtful he'll have a major positive effect but maybe we only get outrebounded by 10 or so instead of 20.

Shelden averages 4 rebounds for his career. You get outrebounded by 16.

You do the math.

He gets those 4 boards in about 12 minutes...Why not throw him out there and see what he can do..Can he cause things to be any worse?

That is a good point and the point. His rebounds/min are excellent. This year for Denver he played 17min/game and got 5.3 rebounds. Multiply that by 2 for starters minutes and he would have 34 mpg and 10.6 rebounds. For a bench player, that is good.

He doesn't need to score, we have Amare, Melo, Billups, Fields, Douglas, etc. for that. At 250+ lbs, he can box out and grab some rebounds. Sheldon is what we have right now, and we should make use of him.

I will bet my top dollar he will never get minutes under Mike.

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2/27/2011  5:03 PM
this lack rebounding is super frustrating!
Had enough Melo?
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2/27/2011  8:00 PM
Childs2Dudley wrote:
Markji wrote:
DishingnSwishing wrote:
misterearl wrote:
nykshaknbake wrote:
misterearl wrote:For some reason I am having a difficult time understanding the fascination for Shelden Williams. He has already had auditions for six different teams, not counting the Atlanta Hawks on two separate occasions. He has never played on a team for two consecutive seasons. When a player is bounced around that much that should be a caution signal that dude is not that good.

Just because he is new does not mean he can play.

It's doubtful he'll have a major positive effect but maybe we only get outrebounded by 10 or so instead of 20.

Shelden averages 4 rebounds for his career. You get outrebounded by 16.

You do the math.

He gets those 4 boards in about 12 minutes...Why not throw him out there and see what he can do..Can he cause things to be any worse?

That is a good point and the point. His rebounds/min are excellent. This year for Denver he played 17min/game and got 5.3 rebounds. Multiply that by 2 for starters minutes and he would have 34 mpg and 10.6 rebounds. For a bench player, that is good.

He doesn't need to score, we have Amare, Melo, Billups, Fields, Douglas, etc. for that. At 250+ lbs, he can box out and grab some rebounds. Sheldon is what we have right now, and we should make use of him.

I will bet my top dollar he will never get minutes under Mike.


You could be right?? Hard to figure out exactly what Mike will do now. So many new players, rotations, etc.

I would have bet that Balkman wouldn't have played and yet he did, and played pretty well.

The difference between fiction and reality? Fiction has to make sense. Tom Clancy - author
Outrebounded by Clevland 62-42? - not this year folks!

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