Knickoftime wrote:

Paladin55 wrote:Just saying I would have preferred Williams over Anthony.

Me too.

Would have preferred Lebron James over Stat or 'Melo too.

And can you imagine the frustration of some who wonder if we give up more for someone than we had to give up?

No.

At some point it think it's just healthier and more fun to accept what occurs and not pine for a fantasy.

I don't like that the had to give up what they did.

But if given the choice of the trade that was made and no trade at all, i choose the former.

Cliff Lee liked the Phillies better, I move on.

I just don't see the appeal of what might have been.

Talk about a perpetual source of frustration.

And don't think regrets over this trade won't resurface in the future if things don't work out as well a a some are expecting they will.

Good, bad, or mediocre- this is only the beginning.

martin wrote:

Knickoftime wrote:Maybe he did. Seems credible enough.

But so what?

Utah has phones.

If the Knicks were in the game, Utah would have let them know.

I am inclined to believe this wholeheartedly. Picks/Favors/low salary better then Moz/Chandler/Gallo/immediate raises over next 2 years.

+1

NJ just had more assets and cheaper assets to offer a rebuilding GM than the Knicks did. They could have beat us our for both Deron Williams and Melo. The only reason we got Melo is because he wanted to come here. If it was an open market, we wouldn't really have a chance.

Props to Donnie for putting us in a position to get Melo but a lot of the credit has to go..to Melo..

Vmart wrote:Great point guards rarely win championships. Its the good ones that win. Soounds crazy right but just check the history of PGs to win championships and you will find that Majic was the last great point guard to win a championship.

If anything PGs have had bad luck. Payon, Price and Stockton all played in the MJ/Pippen era. Tough break. Jason Kidd got to the finals twice w/ the Nets and those were not great teams.

Often I think the problem is great PGs elevate mediocre rotation players and the teams simply arent as talented as people think. Is that the PG's fault?

Tony Parker is pretty damn good... definatly the 2nd best player on a couple of title teams.

So many factors go into winning teams and elite teams. Tell you one thing you need... thats size. Knicks better find some quality size sooner than later

grillco wrote:

Vmart wrote:Great point guards rarely win championships. Its the good ones that win. Soounds crazy right but just check the history of PGs to win championships and you will find that Majic was the last great point guard to win a championship.

This has been very true of the past two decades. The Bulls 6x, the Lakers 5x, Spurs 4x (one without Parker), Rockets 2x, Pistons, Heat, and Celtics. The Bulls never had an elite point. Derek's contributions can't be denied, but he's nowhere near and all-time great PG. Kenny the Jet, nice player and guy, but not "great". Billups and Parker make huge contributions to their teams and while they may one day get their due in the HoF, they are not elite like Nash, Kidd, Stockton and other guys with 8-10 dimes a game. And to Vmart's point, those three stellar points share the some number of rings... Rondo seems to be the real deal, but he wasn't that when the Celtics won their ring...he keeps getting better though and has 12 apg this year. It's weird but true that the teams with the best floor leaders are rarely champions and often aren't always winners.

The Knicks offer for Melo probably wouldn't have gotten the job done, though it has to be said that Gallo being Italian would have been considered a plus, given Utah's track record of putting together their roster.

technomaster wrote:Strictly back on topic, the Nets offer for 'Melo IS/WAS better than the Knicks's offer - that is, if you
1) value Devin Harris's upside (Howard Eisley, anyone?)
2) feel good about your team's scouting capabilities. (superb scouting in Utah!)

The Knicks offer for Melo probably wouldn't have gotten the job done, though it has to be said that Gallo being Italian would have been considered a plus, given Utah's track record of putting together their roster.

I hope Utah is looking to flip Devin Harris, because I'd be interested

still gotta wait and see what the new CBA looks like as to whether staying with the nets will even be appealing to him...

http://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/211315/Deron_Unhappy_With_Trade_To_Nets

Deron Williams was traded to the Nets on Wednesday, in a package that sent Derrick Favors, Devin Harris and two first round picks to Utah.

Williams is reportedly unhappy with the trade, according to reporting from the Salt Lake Tribune.

The trade came together very quickly and Williams was completely shocked to hear about it.

and if anyone read that Stephen A. Smith (not always a big fan of what he has to say) article on espn..the nets have their work cut out for them in convincing D-Will to stay with a losing Nets team while across town will be an emerging knicks era!

TymeLessKnicks wrote:

Paladin55 wrote:Williams makes the guys around him better- Melo makes the guys around him work harder because he does not do much for a team if he does not have the ball in his hands.

I would have had much less regret over losing the guys we did if Williams, and not Anthony, had ended up on the Knicks.

He is a much better player all-around player and a better fit for our team, IMO.

strong point but billups melo amar'e is a much more balanced team than williams amare, no?

assuming they would have taken the denver deal.

I wouldnt have done either deal. I liked the position we were in and unless I was getting shaq Mourninhg etc.. at 23 years old--not worth it. I thought we looked very choppy out there--yes first night but the aesthetic look to the game was poor.

I do respect the fan fair. the crowd was very happy so you have to acknowledge that many people were happy to have him here--many paying customers have suffered a long time--and if getting melo made them happy--you accept that. Its not a good team--we are worse than we were before the trade--but let see where it goes.