BRIGGS wrote:when our cap number is atleast 50mm for 5 players when we are forced to pay Landry Field ATLEAST 5mm or more upfrontin 2012? forget the other max FA--that a nother line of BS--its not feasible. I dont even see how we improve much??? anyone else have a formula they can provide. Can u do the math for an idiot like me?

I can do the math for an idiot like you, yes.

Summer of 2012

Carmelo Anthony - $19.9m

Wilson Chandler - due at least $9m
Danilo Gallinari - $12.6m cap hold.
Mosgov - $3.1m

Despite your self-acknowledged lack of math skills, I'm willing to bet with some pencil, paper and a few quality minutes of alone time, you can tell us which above figure is higher?

The notion that the Knicks would have cap flexibility beyond June 2012, and that the flexibility they did have was dependent on NOT resigning Chandler and Gallinari, was a myth, perpetuated by people, as you say, aren't very good at math. Unless you're putting all your eggs in the a sign-and-trade for Gallinari was going to net the Knicks a different, better player than Carmelo Anthony.

The fantasy of the Knicks "improving" to a greater degree than they did this week is and was a speculative fantasy built on the house of cards on the premise that everything was going to go exactly right for the Knicks.

That the key players would "develop" to actual be borderline superstar players and that their new contract did not outpace their production. But here's the problem.

It's established fact NBA players are on average are at the height of their value on their rookie contracts. Players get their first big contract in their early 20's, when competitive market forces require teams to pay a player not solely on production generated, but potential and projection built in, at which time on a ration of at least 2 to 1, if not 3 to 1 or even higher, a player is signed to what turns out to be an unattractive contract.

Usually only the very late bloomers wind up on attractive, cost-efficient contracts.

Another established fact: The 2011 free agent class (even with 'Melo) is historically weak, with perhaps the two parts most attractive to the Knicks (Jordan and Gasol) restricted free agents.

Since signing either of them to an offer would require renouncing Wilson Chandler, how astute a chance would you regard that be to take?

Or what unrestricted free agent are you confident enough to secure to let Chandler walk away?

So now I'm going to ask you to answer your own question, with a slightly different set of parameters.

With Chandler, Gallinari, Fields and Felton all due for decisions, which would likely involve significant raises in the next 17 months, how would the Knicks have improved?

I'll be happy to lend a hand with the math if you so require it.

fishmike wrote:Briggs, why the drama over the cap #? So long as its a soft cap the Knicks can go over, its not an issue. Its a level playing field up to that point. How did the Spurs get better? How did Boston? How did the Lakers?

Walsh has repeatedly demonstrated his ability to add assets whether it was buying picks, low cost FAs.

How 'bout D-league callups right about now??? How are me and CrushAlot the only ones talking about this angle? I think it's our best option right now by far..We're talking negligible cap impact for potentially a lot of value here..And a chance to see if we discover any cost-effective keepers for next year...It'll require some roster trimming but so what? Do it..Azubuike (provided we don't trade him), Roger Mason, Anthony Carter and Shelden Williams should all be bought out at a prorated rate immediately...Then there's a ton of guys down on the farm that we could offer 10-day contracts to:

PG: Curtis Stinson, Scottie Reynolds
SG: Othyus Jeffers
SF: DeShawn Sims
PF: Jeff Adrien, Sean Williams
C: Marcus Cousin, Chris Johnson, Courtney Sims

You mean to tell me we can't retool the underbelly of this roster (at least some of it anyway) with some of this superior, hungry talent?? All it requires is a little thinking outside the box and a coach who would actually make use of this type of talent if we chose to go this route..If we open up those 4 roster spots we could conceivably add a PG, a wing, a PF and a legit center to the mix..Is that opportunity not worth it to us?? I think it should be.

FA Centers Earl Barron & Dwayne Jones are also available btw...

fishmike wrote:you once offered our best players and 3 picks for Kwame Brown. The NBA is dominated by star players who impress their win on the game. You get it, your just in denial right now.

I'm sorry fishmike, I'm not big fan of Briggs. But there is NO WAY this is true. I refuse to believe it.

It is not possible that anyone with this sort of mark on their record would be here spouting criticisms with such unwavering conviction.

Knickoftime wrote:

fishmike wrote:you once offered our best players and 3 picks for Kwame Brown. The NBA is dominated by star players who impress their win on the game. You get it, your just in denial right now.

I'm sorry fishmike, I'm not big fan of Briggs. But there is NO WAY this is true. I refuse to believe it.

It is not possible that anyone with this sort of mark on their record would be here spouting criticisms with such unwavering conviction.

Briggs is a good poster and if people get upset that he seems to have more leverage here with his wacky behavior than others its because he does. However few things spur more feverish debate than Briggs topics and love him or hate him he's great for the forum. The guy is all over the place and is totally ruled by emotion and his passion for the Knicks. Its always a fun ride.

I didnt like this trade either, but its done, Melo is here and this is no Marbury. Walsh didnt like to make this trade. Duh. Just like he didnt like trade Hill and a pick just to dump JJ, but he had to do it. He said from the start he wanted to have TWO stars here to build around. Give him his due... Amare + Melo after just 2 years of Isiah's mess is a good job. Lets see whats next.

foosballnick wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:when our cap number is atleast 50mm for 5 players when we are forced to pay Landry Field ATLEAST 5mm or more upfrontin 2012? forget the other max FA--that a nother line of BS--its not feasible. I dont even see how we improve much??? anyone else have a formula they can provide. Can u do the math for an idiot like me?

Our team is this in 2012 after we pay Landry

C-Balkman1.7
F Amare 20
F melo 20
G Fields(my guess at a minimum 6 years 30MM)5mm
G Douglas 2mm

That's 49mm right there. then add 7 cap holds * 400k 2.8mm Cap number is 51.8

I get it. You're they guy on the street wearing the sandwich board yelling the "end is near". Do you think that anyone has forgotten all the silly suggestions you have made for trades on this board and all the bashing you have done about the players that Walsh has aquired? Just can't help yourself I guess....is life that miserable that you just can't enjoy what's in front of you on this team and see what happens? If the Knicks reversed this trade tomorrow - I'm sure you would find a way to bash it.

Sorry but this is very funny.

BRIGGS wrote:

Knickoftime wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:when our cap number is atleast 50mm for 5 players when we are forced to pay Landry Field ATLEAST 5mm or more upfrontin 2012? forget the other max FA--that a nother line of BS--its not feasible. I dont even see how we improve much??? anyone else have a formula they can provide. Can u do the math for an idiot like me?

I can do the math for an idiot like you, yes.

Summer of 2012

Carmelo Anthony - $19.9m

Wilson Chandler - due at least $9m
Danilo Gallinari - $12.6m cap hold.
Mosgov - $3.1m

Despite your self-acknowledged lack of math skills, I'm willing to bet with some pencil, paper and a few quality minutes of alone time, you can tell us which above figure is higher?

The notion that the Knicks would have cap flexibility beyond June 2012, and that the flexibility they did have was dependent on NOT resigning Chandler and Gallinari, was a myth, perpetuated by people, as you say, aren't very good at math. Unless you're putting all your eggs in the a sign-and-trade for Gallinari was going to net the Knicks a different, better player than Carmelo Anthony.

The fantasy of the Knicks "improving" to a greater degree than they did this week is and was a speculative fantasy built on the house of cards on the premise that everything was going to go exactly right for the Knicks.

That the key players would "develop" to actual be borderline superstar players and that their new contract did not outpace their production. But here's the problem.

It's established fact NBA players are on average are at the height of their value on their rookie contracts. Players get their first big contract in their early 20's, when competitive market forces require teams to pay a player not solely on production generated, but potential and projection built in, at which time on a ration of at least 2 to 1, if not 3 to 1 or even higher, a player is signed to what turns out to be an unattractive contract.

Usually only the very late bloomers wind up on attractive, cost-efficient contracts.

Another established fact: The 2011 free agent class (even with 'Melo) is historically weak, with perhaps the two parts most attractive to the Knicks (Jordan and Gasol) restricted free agents.

Since signing either of them to an offer would require renouncing Wilson Chandler, how astute a chance would you regard that be to take?

Or what unrestricted free agent are you confident enough to secure to let Chandler walk away?

So now I'm going to ask you to answer your own question, with a slightly different set of parameters.

With Chandler, Gallinari, Fields and Felton all due for decisions, which would likely involve significant raises in the next 17 months, how would the Knicks have improved?

I'll be happy to lend a hand with the math if you so require it.

Its pretty simple son.
With what we had we had 0 need for a max free agent in 2012 none. We already had a good full team and I dont buy carmelo to Nj for one second. We caved badly and will pay for it.

If you have paid any attention you should know by now that Wlahs has 10x the brains and guile that Dolan and Isiah have combined. You just spouting now and throwing your toys around the room

martin wrote:

AnubisADL wrote:Easy we get OJ Mayo. He is built for NY.

why do you want Mayo? Knicks got like a millions guards. They need defense and bigs.

Having guards and having good guards is a different. There is a reason teams like Boston and San Antonio dumped Walker and Mason respectively.

We need an upgrade at PG/SG.

BigSm00th wrote:miami has 60+ million locked up with their big 3. what will happen to those guys? what about LA with kobe getting 30 million at the end of his contract. is he going to be 80% of the lakers' payroll? no.

This is a fallacy.

http://hoopshype.com/salaries/miami.htm

First year salaries are 14.5mm per. And guess what - LBJ and Wade are better than Melo!