Knickoftime wrote:

FrenchKnicks wrote:Oh what a coincidence, you joined one month ago ! Funny how you were not here through the Layden and Isiah years isn't it ? How funny is it for you to give us some lessons about how we should feel on that day !?

Are you suggesting you're not a Knicks fans unless you're registered on UltimateKnicks.com?

Really?

And I'm not telling you how to "feel". You're perfectly justified to feel however you like, and you'd be no more or less right or wrong than I.

What I AM saying is you're upset BECAUSE you're a fan, which means you're STILL a fan, which means you aren't leaving.

There is PLENTY of room for debate on this trade, but a thread dedicated to people proclaiming their intention not to be fans anymore is silly.

Even if some of you managed a few months, if the Knicks made it into the second round and were 1-1 vs Miami heading to the Garden, would any of you truly claim this morning you'd stay away?

I dare any of you...

Hate isn't the opposite of love. Indifference is.

If any of your were indifferent, you wouldn't be here right now talking about it.

Indifferent, apathetic fans are the ones the Knicks are going to lose.

Not you guys.

haha. Lifers.

Someone said it: Walsh did the dirty work to restore Dolans broken plaything. As soon as it is on its way to old beauty, the one destroiing it in the first place, comes in and gets another try at smashing it.

This is just unbelievable stupid. I just cant comprehend what, if anything, is happening in the mind of James Dolan...

As of teams to follow: The Thunder are a nice team im getting to like more and more. Oh well, and of course the Nuggets have some of my favorite players.

I differentiate between being a fan of a franchise I have followed and cheered for since 1967/8 and being a rabid type die hard fan who is posting on a site like this one on a regular basis and scrambling around to see every game I can possibly see on TV or computer, and forcing the girlfriend to order in dinner on a Friday night because I have to park myself in front of the TV watching a Knicks game.

I'll ride out the season, and I am always going to "follow" the team, but I won't be a consistent poster on a site like after this season is over. I don't want to be one of those bitter/annoying posters like (____________________)(who are actually only an infinitesimal minority on UK, which is why I hang around), who come on to rant, rave, and are always provocative, predictable, and/or full of hate.

I was literally only a casual fan of the team following my decision to give up cable TV in 2002, and Isiah's antics pushed me further away from the franchise. I was pulled back in after Walsh came on board, and I discovered this site (and others, to be honest)and the fact that I could watch games on the computer. Somewhat of a "renaissance" period for me as a fan of the Knicks, and I thought that except for the Hill pick, we were moving in the right direction.

The Anthony affair is a major setback for the franchise, in more ways than one, and really a slap in the face to Walsh, who despite his physical frailty has really turned the franchise around. The fact that he was unable to take the lead during the past week or so is a disgrace. The Knicks went from being in control of its own destiny to a team that allowed Denver to rise from gutter, grab us by the balls, and rape us for MUCH more than even Denver seemed to originally want, despite the fact that everyone knew Anthony wanted to leave, and everyone knew he did not want to go to the Nyets.

This trade has less to do about building a true contender and more about a starpuching owner and his behind the scenes buddy/guru who still has a desire to prove to everyone that he is a BB genius. This is about marketing a product for Dolan, and showing his indispensability for Isiah.

It is a sad day for the franchise, even though for some it may take a few years to realize it.

So it goes.

Odd...

Moonangie wrote:I hate this trade, but my loyalty to the Knicks transcends one roster move. I am willing to suspend my judgment about Melo until I see what happens next. If CP3 or Deron join forces, it could prove to have been worth the momentary lapse of reason.

Now, if fatboy retard brings Isaiah back, I will jump off the NBA bandwagon until further notice. I can't stand him and would not be a fan of the Knicks while he is involved.

+1

Knickoftime wrote:Funny, up until yesterday, no one really seemed that upset the Knicks weren't building the "right way" despite the fact Walsh traded David Lee, Nate Robinson, Renaldo Balkman, Jordan Hill, and the 2012 first.

Odd...

You don't think a lot of people on this board went crazy over whether Lee should stay or go? And the Hill trade almost blew up the board because the Knicks gave up so much. People are still rightfully annoyed with that trade.

islesfan wrote:You don't think a lot of people on this board went crazy over whether Lee should stay or go? And the Hill trade almost blew up the board because the Knicks gave up so much. People are still rightfully annoyed with that trade.

They probably were. And they were entitled.

But they are STILL here.

Which is my only point.

Knickoftime wrote:

islesfan wrote:You don't think a lot of people on this board went crazy over whether Lee should stay or go? And the Hill trade almost blew up the board because the Knicks gave up so much. People are still rightfully annoyed with that trade.

They probably were. And they were entitled.

But they are STILL here.

Which is my only point.

Not all of them. Not nearly.

Knickoftime wrote:

BasketballJones wrote:Actually a lot of people hated those trades. How's Jordan Hill doing these days anyway?

"That" trade?

What about the entire body of work?

And if they hated it, why are they still here?

The point is, "not building the RIGHT way" is all sound and fury signifying nothing. Some people just don't think Anthony's that great. Which is fine, they're allowed.

But if the Knicks made this same trade for Lebron James, the reaction wouldn't have been the same, which means the "right way" thing is just more fan's kidding themselves.

Well, let's put it this way: Without all that "sound and fury" we wouldn't have a message board. Knick fans have strong opinions on management moves after the Layden-Thomas back-to-back catastrophes.

I think it's always the case that results are what matter. If this turns out to be a successful trade (depending on the definition of "success") then it is probably true that many of those complaining now will grow quiet on the subject.

Knickoftime wrote:

islesfan wrote:What are you talking about? Why are you equating hating a particular trade with no longer posting on a message board?

I am not.

Let me be very clear.

I'm NOT saying anyone has to like this trade.

I'm NOT saying anyone shouldn't complain about this trade.

I'm NOT saying anyone has to like the Knicks organization or how it is run, NOR am I suggested you shouldn't be vocal about your feelings.

What AM I saying?

Let's go back to the first sentence from the OP's first post.

"With the latest development, I don't think I can stick with this team."

THAT's what I'm talking about.

He's GOING to stick with the team, as are the rest of you, so let's just skip over this little one act play about not being a Knicks fan anymore.

So you don't think you can stop being a fan and still post on a message board about that team? I don't get your point.

I guarantee you, if Isiah "officially" comes back people are going to come on and say that they're done with the team and they will be done.

Bunch of F..ng whiners.

Anyway - irregardless of the know-it-alls here, most championship teams do not build solely through the draft.

This team was 2 games over .500 with Stat playing at his highest level....targeted to finish between 6 - 8 playoff spot and be one and done. With the new CBA - no guarantee that Melo would sign here. With Miami, Chicago and Boston in the way - no chance to make it out of the east over the next 5 years.

Chandler was not going to be resigned at the much higher salary he will be asking for.

Gallo is going to ask for perhaps $10 mil in 2 years - so the chances of retaining him was 50/50 at best...and if resigned he would be your third best guy with no way to sign a stud PG.....playing the same position as your second best guy.

Felton was only here until the Knicks signed CP3 or Williams. Billips although older is a better PG. Better 3 pt shooter. Better pick and roll distributor. Better locker room leader. Able to run a fast paced offense. Multiple All Star. Heavy Playoff exerience etc.

AR - jury is still out. IMO he will be a better player under a different coach. But as long as MDA is here - he would never see PT.

Moz - sorry to see him go - but most on this board were lambasting the kid until they actually saw him get some PT...now all of a sudden they don't want him to go.

Curry - see ya!!

As far as future trade chips are concerned - doors will now upon up for other guys to perform.