Papabear wrote:Childs2Dudley wrote:holfresh wrote:Childs2Dudley wrote:holfresh wrote:Childs2Dudley wrote:holfresh wrote:Childs2Dudley wrote:Woj is not the only guy who has been saying this about Isiah. Berger, Beck, ESPN and various other news agencies have said this about Dolan and Isiah. Woj just covered it more deeply.Forgive me but this statement actually proves that Isiah IS working with the team. Dolan is afraid of the PR backlash he is receiving and the fan revolt. Problem for him is that it's already out there. Nobody is going to believe his dumb ass now. It's because of him these rumors started and it's because of him that they are probably true.
Bro, The only reason Dolan or Isiah is involved (if there is any thruth to it), is because of what came out after LeBrongate...The Knicks/Donnie was said to be the worst presentor seen by LeBron...They could not relate...Donnie could not get a second interview with LeBron...Isiah had to make the call before they answered, not that they were coming anyway...If Dolan is stepping up to push the ball across the goal line because he lost confidence so be it...You have that right when you pay salaries...
LeBron was never coming to the Knicks. Save me that BS about presentations. He, Bosh and Wade agreed to become free agents together. When they had the opportunity to all go on one team, they took it. It had nothing to do with Walsh. NOTHING.
There were several reports out last week that MDA could possibly to holding up the deal...As owner, I think it's better he find out what the deal is, rather than allowing the guy you pay to coach the team, make organiztional decisions...As owner I think it's only fair..
That's fine. I know he's the owner. Thanks for telling me. Doesn't mean the owner has to be a complete fool and push out capable GM's like Walsh for garbage like Isiah. I understand you have a soft spot in your heart for Zeke and aren't a big fan of Walsh, for whatever reason, but having Isiah Thomas make this trade for us is just awful. Just awful.
Aside from my Isiah soft spot, I think we certainly are offering too much as well...If you want to believe it's all Isiah well thats all on you...But I'll guarantee you this, All 30 owners of NBA teams will be involved in making decisions on the guy they are about to pay 80 mil...
Yes, and 99% of them will not be soliciting advice from the worst GM in franchise history.
Papabear Says
That's a damn lie and you know it. The Knicks was bad before he got here. Isiah probably couldn't do no more than what Dolan wanted him to do. He is made bad deals but as I remember a lot of you guys were on board with some of his deals. This is sick!! Blaming the man for everything wrong with the Knicks. You just have to blame someone to make you feel better. Walsh is still in the mix.Ain't none of us have any stock in the Knicks and if we were decision makers some of you would be trading a player everytime he has a bad game. Just view some of the stuff you say about felton and Chandler and Gallo. Now they may be gone and if Carmelo comes and he has 2 bad games you will be ready to send him to
Brooklyn.
Not a lie and the fact that you're still an Isiah supporter tells me all I need to know about your agenda. It's not wonder why you've always been so pessimistic with this regime. You miss your boy.
This is what I judge Isiah on:
Seasons W-L
2004-05: 33-49
2005-06: 23-59
2006-07: 33-49
2007-“08: 23-59
Scott Layden sucked. Isiah Thomas sucked 10 times harder. You want to know why?
Because contrary to your revisionist history posts, Layden left Thomas with assets like expiring contracts, draft picks and young players (Lampe, Sweetney had value at the time) to use in trades. Isiah did just that. He used every single expiring contract, draft pick and young player he had in his arsenal to acquire the likes of Stephon Marbury, Eddy Curry and Jamal Crawford in a span of 2 years. Not to mention this great list of players acquired:
Jerome James
Jared Jeffries
Jamison Brewer
Bruno Sundov
Jermaine Jackson
Ime Udoka
Maurice Taylor
Malik Rose
Vin Baker
Zach Randolph
Jamal Crawford
Stephon Marbury
Eddy Curry
Fred Jones
Antonio Davis
Tim Thomas
Cezary Trybanski
Penny Hardaway
Steve Francis
Channing Frye
Renaldo Balkman
Mardy Collins
Demetris Nichols
Jackie Butler
Moochie Norris
Quentin Richardson
Qyntel Woods
Jalen Rose
Kelvin Cato
Randolph Morris
DerMarr Johnson
Nate Robinson
I really hate it when people try to give Isiah Thomas a break. WHY? What the FUGG did he do here that was so good? He left behind Lee and Chandler. That's it. 5 fugging seasons and he left behind 2 decent to good players while trading away half his draft picks and overpaying the likes of Jeffries, Jerome and Curry. I DO blame him for that list because he acquired those players. Just like when people insulted Walsh for acquiring Roberson and the likes. Isiah signed, traded and drafted those players. Did he have a few good players along the way? Sure, but even a blind squirrel can find a nut.
Isiah's "eye for talent" is severely overrated. What he does have is the impeccable will to lose. He sucks @ss now and sucked @ss then. He has sucked in everything he has been involved in since his retirement as a player. Pathetic tenure with the Toronto Raptors and the CBA and a mediocre at best tenure with the Indiana Pacers as coach. Then he comes here and ****s the bed. Once he's fired he goes to FIU and proceeds to do absolutely nothing to raise their level of play, despite his basketball "genius" and "eye for talent". He is a LOSER since his retirement. I want to win.
Here is the problem with your logic about Layden being worse than Isiah though: Isiah ends up trading Weatherspoon for equally crappy Moochie Norris and John Ameachie. Then he uses the money saved to sign Vin "Gin" Baker to a multi-year deal. One year later he trades Baker for Maurice Taylor and his worthless contract. A contract, mind you, that ends up running longer than Weatherspoon's. So in essence he trades Weatherspoon for Taylor and takes on a worse contract for a marginal upgrade.
Layden's one true failure as a GM was the Ewing trade. That was the deal that was the turning point of the franchise and set them on a collision course with failure. They tried to build on the fly with Sprewell and Houston and add role players like Hot Dog Neck Spoon and Shandon Anderson and Howard Eisley but what the Knicks needed was a youth movement, not more veterans.
But Layden worse than Isiah? How exactly? Within a year his entire roster was gone and the Knicks had taken back longer contracts than ones they had traded. They put the franchise in the hands of Stephon Marbury and fed his ego until he took down everyone. The Knicks went from being in a low state for a few years under Layden to being a disgrace to the NBA under the five year reign of Isiah. From sexual harrassments, to cracked out Marbury interviews to fights within the team, to coaches getting fired and hired, it was a mess. The Knicks became a joke under Isiah. They became a national joke. That's what Isiah did to them. He hurt the team, he hurt the record, he hurt the fanbase and he hurt the BRAND of the New York Knicks.
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