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2/20/2011  2:13 PM
colorfl1 wrote:
@ Knickoftime
Ken Berger states we can sign Carmelo outright regardless of new CBA.
http://www.cbssports.com/nba/story/14697636/trade-buzz-swap-not-only-way-melo-may-end-up-with-knicks

As a matter of cap math, he is right. I don't argue the fact the Knicks will have the means to sign a max free agent this offseason.

I'm simply saying Carmelo Anthony isn't going to be a free agent this offseason.
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2/20/2011  2:15 PM
And for the record, IF the NBA's next CBA does include a franchise tag as some speculate, Knicks won't be acquiring a star player by any means anytime soon.
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2/20/2011  2:19 PM
Knickoftime wrote:And for the record, IF the NBA's next CBA does include a franchise tag as some speculate, Knicks won't be acquiring a star player by any means anytime soon.

agree, i think this is what the owners will push for, in addition to shorter length contracts, less guaranteed $. inching closer to a hard cap as well.

GO TEAM VENTURE!!!!!
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2/20/2011  2:22 PM
colorfl1 wrote:Knickoftime
Again, they have NO chance to sign him as a free agent. How is this not fully understood at this stage?
Melo will extend in Denver or sign with NJ if the Knicks don't complete a trade.

@ Knickoftime
Ken Berger states we can sign Carmelo outright regardless of new CBA.
http://www.cbssports.com/nba/story/14697636/trade-buzz-swap-not-only-way-melo-may-end-up-with-knicks

I live in Denver and have followed this with great interest since I'm a long time Knicks fan. Believe me when I say that
Carmelo will NOT end up with the Knicks other than by trade. In addition, everything I've heard locally is that the deal is done and they are
waiting until late today or Monday for the official announcement. I know that there are a lot of fans who do not view
Carmelo as even a top 15 player. I disagree, having seen him live many times and seen what he has done for the Nuggets he is
definitely a top 10 talent and some believe a top 5 talent. He is definitely worth acquiring for the price of Chandler and Gallo.
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2/20/2011  2:50 PM
What strikes me is how often people have been wrong about the impact of certain moves. The Amar'e deal is a prime example. There were MANY NBA analysts that suggested he wasn't going to make that much of a difference. So far everyone has been shocked at his leadership skills and willingness to be out front and take responsibility for this team. He clearly makes the team better and lifts his teammates. It's entirely possible that the combination of Melo and STAT could have a very positive net effect on the team as well.

IMO Melo is the kind of player that we have often said we lacked. That closer who can get us out of tough situations late in games when we absolutely need someone to step up and get us over the hump. Chandler and Gallo are very good players, but they are still role players that don't have the closer mentality or ability. Then you have Billups who for a short stint can replace Felton and in the playoffs is more valuable than Felton.

It all depends on what the final package will be. If it's as originally reported, we can survive that exchange and be a better team in some ways. I like that Chandler and Gallo are very efficient players, but what often kills us is that they are inconsistent in terms of their production. We lost games when either one or both went thru one of their scoring slumps and the same with Felton. Replacing them with a more consistent performers in Melo and Billups should make us better.
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2/20/2011  2:52 PM    LAST EDITED: 2/20/2011  2:54 PM
FeltonandAmare wrote:
He is definitely worth acquiring for the price of Chandler and Gallo.

Yes he is worth Gallo and Chandler.

However, he is not worth losing Felton, Randolph, Curry's expiring deal and those two.

That is giving up too many tradable assets for a guy most believe will end up in NY regardless because of his interest in building his brand on a world stage and the interests of his wife's career.
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2/20/2011  3:06 PM
colorfl1 wrote:FeltonandAmare wrote:
He is definitely worth acquiring for the price of Chandler and Gallo.

Yes he is worth Gallo and Chandler.

However, he is not worth losing Felton, Randolph, Curry's expiring deal and those two.

That is giving up too many tradable assets for a guy most believe will end up in NY regardless because of his interest in building his brand on a world stage and the interests of his wife's career.

Chauncey is better than Felton, especially since Felton is only a 2 year solution. Curry is a total waste of human skin. The first round pick is an asset but is still an unknown. In terms of right now, which is what I meant, it's really just Chandler and Gallo which is not a steep price for a player like Melo. The addition of Curry and the first round pick does NOT kill our future.

Also, let me reiterate my position, Melo is NOT coming to the Knicks other than via a trade. He's not going to risk losing up to $40M guaranteed. I know a lot of posters want him to take a discount like the cancer in Miami did, but he only took a small discount not a potential $40M risk. None of us would do it so why do we feel Melo should? Let's get real.
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2/20/2011  3:08 PM
colorfl1 wrote:FeltonandAmare wrote:
He is definitely worth acquiring for the price of Chandler and Gallo.

Yes he is worth Gallo and Chandler.

However, he is not worth losing Felton, Randolph, Curry's expiring deal and those two.

That is giving up too many tradable assets for a guy most believe will end up in NY regardless because of his interest in building his brand on a world stage and the interests of his wife's career.

The idea is to acquire talent that will have a positive impact on your ability to win. Felton is OK, but we weren't fully committed to him anyway. Randolph and Curry are just assets and if we used them to add an Elite player so be it. They contributed nothing to this team in any way. It's also about the cumulative effect of pairing Amar'e and Melo. It makes a big difference when you have 2 or more Elite players as opposed to just one. That's what makes the sacrifice worth it. Teams FEAR Melo. They don't fear Chan and Gallo nearly as much. That's why the impact is greater when you have two Elite players on the court at the same time.

It's already hard for teams to stop us, but it should be even tougher with Melo and STAT. Not to mention that Billups is no slouch either.
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2/20/2011  3:12 PM
FeltonandAmare wrote:
colorfl1 wrote:FeltonandAmare wrote:
He is definitely worth acquiring for the price of Chandler and Gallo.

Yes he is worth Gallo and Chandler.

However, he is not worth losing Felton, Randolph, Curry's expiring deal and those two.

That is giving up too many tradable assets for a guy most believe will end up in NY regardless because of his interest in building his brand on a world stage and the interests of his wife's career.

Chauncey is better than Felton, especially since Felton is only a 2 year solution. Curry is a total waste of human skin. The first round pick is an asset but is still an unknown. In terms of right now, which is what I meant, it's really just Chandler and Gallo which is not a steep price for a player like Melo. The addition of Curry and the first round pick does NOT kill our future.

Also, let me reiterate my position, Melo is NOT coming to the Knicks other than via a trade. He's not going to risk losing up to $40M guaranteed. I know a lot of posters want him to take a discount like the cancer in Miami did, but he only took a small discount not a potential $40M risk. None of us would do it so why do we feel Melo should? Let's get real.

Today, right now, Chauncey is not better, two/three years ago yes, but today no...Chauncey is a better shooter that's it, Felton is better in all other aspect plus a 7 mil savings on salary which is the most important aspect of this deal...
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holfresh wrote:
FeltonandAmare wrote:
colorfl1 wrote:FeltonandAmare wrote:
He is definitely worth acquiring for the price of Chandler and Gallo.

Yes he is worth Gallo and Chandler.

However, he is not worth losing Felton, Randolph, Curry's expiring deal and those two.

That is giving up too many tradable assets for a guy most believe will end up in NY regardless because of his interest in building his brand on a world stage and the interests of his wife's career.

Chauncey is better than Felton, especially since Felton is only a 2 year solution. Curry is a total waste of human skin. The first round pick is an asset but is still an unknown. In terms of right now, which is what I meant, it's really just Chandler and Gallo which is not a steep price for a player like Melo. The addition of Curry and the first round pick does NOT kill our future.

Also, let me reiterate my position, Melo is NOT coming to the Knicks other than via a trade. He's not going to risk losing up to $40M guaranteed. I know a lot of posters want him to take a discount like the cancer in Miami did, but he only took a small discount not a potential $40M risk. None of us would do it so why do we feel Melo should? Let's get real.

Today, right now, Chauncey is not better, two/three years ago yes, but today no...Chauncey is a better shooter that's it, Felton is better in all other aspect plus a 7 mil savings on salary which is the most important aspect of this deal...

I've seen Chauncey play live for a while now and if you look at their stats this year Chauncey' stats are superior. In my opinion he's an upgrade for this year and next. The 7 mil means nothing since he will be released just like Felton would have been released so both salaries revert to zero in 2 years.
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2/20/2011  3:22 PM
FeltonandAmare wrote:
holfresh wrote:
FeltonandAmare wrote:
colorfl1 wrote:FeltonandAmare wrote:
He is definitely worth acquiring for the price of Chandler and Gallo.

Yes he is worth Gallo and Chandler.

However, he is not worth losing Felton, Randolph, Curry's expiring deal and those two.

That is giving up too many tradable assets for a guy most believe will end up in NY regardless because of his interest in building his brand on a world stage and the interests of his wife's career.

Chauncey is better than Felton, especially since Felton is only a 2 year solution. Curry is a total waste of human skin. The first round pick is an asset but is still an unknown. In terms of right now, which is what I meant, it's really just Chandler and Gallo which is not a steep price for a player like Melo. The addition of Curry and the first round pick does NOT kill our future.

Also, let me reiterate my position, Melo is NOT coming to the Knicks other than via a trade. He's not going to risk losing up to $40M guaranteed. I know a lot of posters want him to take a discount like the cancer in Miami did, but he only took a small discount not a potential $40M risk. None of us would do it so why do we feel Melo should? Let's get real.

Today, right now, Chauncey is not better, two/three years ago yes, but today no...Chauncey is a better shooter that's it, Felton is better in all other aspect plus a 7 mil savings on salary which is the most important aspect of this deal...

I've seen Chauncey play live for a while now and if you look at their stats this year Chauncey' stats are superior. In my opinion he's an upgrade for this year and next. The 7 mil means nothing since he will be released just like Felton would have been released so both salaries revert to zero in 2 years.


Plus just from a playoff experience point of view, Billups is an upgrade. He's been thru it all and his instincts will be trained by that experience. He's proven that he can nail the big shot and lead a team to the title. He doesn't have to be blazingly fast to help us. There's more to being a PG than raw athletic ability. He'll be just fine for the rest of his contract.
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2/20/2011  3:32 PM    LAST EDITED: 2/20/2011  3:36 PM
@ FeltonandAmare wrote:

I am all for trading for Carmelo but at a reasonable price.

I believe Curry, Azabuke and Randolph could be shipped for picks or other assets.

The CBA will take a cut out of all salaries, so I do not believe Carmelo will refuse to come to New York as a FA.
You need to recognize that Carmelo is seeing his friend Amare being marketed everywhere and slowly becoming a household name. The Amare has skyrocketed since he joined the Knicks soon he will even have his own fashion lines.

Don't think these guys do not compare notes. Carmelo wants to capitalize on marketing his brand, and his wife wants to build her career at home.

The way I see it, if they take Gallo, Chandler and Felton, that is enough assets for a guy we can likely obtain as a FA.

We can keep the pick we get for Randolph & Curry.

or

hold on to Randolph as he is only 22 (I do not believe in trading guys who's value can only climb)

We can instead trade Curry and Azabuke (cap relief) for assets or picks.
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2/20/2011  3:34 PM
FeltonandAmare wrote:
holfresh wrote:
FeltonandAmare wrote:
colorfl1 wrote:FeltonandAmare wrote:
He is definitely worth acquiring for the price of Chandler and Gallo.

Yes he is worth Gallo and Chandler.

However, he is not worth losing Felton, Randolph, Curry's expiring deal and those two.

That is giving up too many tradable assets for a guy most believe will end up in NY regardless because of his interest in building his brand on a world stage and the interests of his wife's career.

Chauncey is better than Felton, especially since Felton is only a 2 year solution. Curry is a total waste of human skin. The first round pick is an asset but is still an unknown. In terms of right now, which is what I meant, it's really just Chandler and Gallo which is not a steep price for a player like Melo. The addition of Curry and the first round pick does NOT kill our future.

Also, let me reiterate my position, Melo is NOT coming to the Knicks other than via a trade. He's not going to risk losing up to $40M guaranteed. I know a lot of posters want him to take a discount like the cancer in Miami did, but he only took a small discount not a potential $40M risk. None of us would do it so why do we feel Melo should? Let's get real.

Today, right now, Chauncey is not better, two/three years ago yes, but today no...Chauncey is a better shooter that's it, Felton is better in all other aspect plus a 7 mil savings on salary which is the most important aspect of this deal...

I've seen Chauncey play live for a while now and if you look at their stats this year Chauncey' stats are superior. In my opinion he's an upgrade for this year and next. The 7 mil means nothing since he will be released just like Felton would have been released so both salaries revert to zero in 2 years.

His stats aren't superior if you are refering to a 0.5 better scoring average...Felton is a better defender and pushes the ball more...The Knicks won't be able to afford a max point guard in two years if Melo comes here...Felton does what Billups does at half the price... Where are the Knicks going for a PG in 1.5 years??...U guys really want a 35 year old at PG ruinning with 27 year olds?? really???
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2/20/2011  3:37 PM    LAST EDITED: 2/20/2011  3:41 PM
colorfl1 wrote:@ FeltonandAmare wrote:

I am all for trading for Carmelo but at a reasonable price.

I believe Curry, Azabuke and Randolph could be shipped for picks or other assets.

THe CBA will take a cut out of all saleries so I do not believe Carmelo will not come to New York as a FA. He is seeing his friend Amare beinging marketed everywhere, soon with his own fashion line. Don't think these guys do not compare notes. Carmelo want to capitalize on marketing his brand, and his wife want to be home.

The way I see it if they take Gallo, Chandler and Felton, that is enough assets for a guys we can likely obtain as a FA.

We can keep the pick we get for Randolph & Curry.

or hold on to Randolph as he is only 22 (I do not believe in trading guys who's value can only climb) and trade Curry and Azabuke (cap relief) for assets or picks.

You are really going to kill the deal because of Curry and the pick???? Players like Melo don't grow on trees, you get them when you get the opportunity.

All I can tell you is what I've heard being in Denver and that is Melo is not going to risk losing that much money, and I don't blame him.
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2/20/2011  3:40 PM
holfresh wrote:
FeltonandAmare wrote:
holfresh wrote:
FeltonandAmare wrote:
colorfl1 wrote:FeltonandAmare wrote:
He is definitely worth acquiring for the price of Chandler and Gallo.

Yes he is worth Gallo and Chandler.

However, he is not worth losing Felton, Randolph, Curry's expiring deal and those two.

That is giving up too many tradable assets for a guy most believe will end up in NY regardless because of his interest in building his brand on a world stage and the interests of his wife's career.

Chauncey is better than Felton, especially since Felton is only a 2 year solution. Curry is a total waste of human skin. The first round pick is an asset but is still an unknown. In terms of right now, which is what I meant, it's really just Chandler and Gallo which is not a steep price for a player like Melo. The addition of Curry and the first round pick does NOT kill our future.

Also, let me reiterate my position, Melo is NOT coming to the Knicks other than via a trade. He's not going to risk losing up to $40M guaranteed. I know a lot of posters want him to take a discount like the cancer in Miami did, but he only took a small discount not a potential $40M risk. None of us would do it so why do we feel Melo should? Let's get real.

Today, right now, Chauncey is not better, two/three years ago yes, but today no...Chauncey is a better shooter that's it, Felton is better in all other aspect plus a 7 mil savings on salary which is the most important aspect of this deal...

I've seen Chauncey play live for a while now and if you look at their stats this year Chauncey' stats are superior. In my opinion he's an upgrade for this year and next. The 7 mil means nothing since he will be released just like Felton would have been released so both salaries revert to zero in 2 years.

His stats aren't superior if you are refering to a 0.5 better scoring average...Felton is a better defender and pushes the ball more...The Knicks won't be able to afford a max point guard in two years if Melo comes here...Felton does what Billups does at half the price... Where are the Knicks going for a PG in 1.5 years??...U guys really want a 35 year old at PG ruinning with 27 year olds?? really???

Well I guess we disagree on this point. I can only tell you from seeing both play that in my opinion Billups is the better choice as a 2 year plan.
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2/20/2011  3:43 PM
If the Knicks need to refute outside involvement in the Carmelo Carnival, how is that a positive factor to build trust between the front office and ownership?
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2/20/2011  3:49 PM    LAST EDITED: 2/20/2011  3:53 PM
@ FeltonandAmare

I believe we can probably turn Azabuke, Curry expiring contracts Randolph and someone like Bill Walker into 2 draft 2012 or 2013 picks through multiple deals so we would have additional assets for eventual Center or PG deal in the years ahead.

My feeling is that Felton along with a 24 year old Chandler and a 23 year old Gallo is enough for a player who is only willing to be traded to NY.
Realize that these players have gotten better each year. Gallo will be a steady all star by the time he is 26-27.

Those 3 are enough, save the rest to trade for 2012 or 2013 picks for then next eventual trade for a center or point guard.

BTW, there is no way Carmelo stays in Denver after all these embarrassing distractions.
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FeltonandAmare wrote:
holfresh wrote:
FeltonandAmare wrote:
holfresh wrote:
FeltonandAmare wrote:
colorfl1 wrote:FeltonandAmare wrote:
He is definitely worth acquiring for the price of Chandler and Gallo.

Yes he is worth Gallo and Chandler.

However, he is not worth losing Felton, Randolph, Curry's expiring deal and those two.

That is giving up too many tradable assets for a guy most believe will end up in NY regardless because of his interest in building his brand on a world stage and the interests of his wife's career.

Chauncey is better than Felton, especially since Felton is only a 2 year solution. Curry is a total waste of human skin. The first round pick is an asset but is still an unknown. In terms of right now, which is what I meant, it's really just Chandler and Gallo which is not a steep price for a player like Melo. The addition of Curry and the first round pick does NOT kill our future.

Also, let me reiterate my position, Melo is NOT coming to the Knicks other than via a trade. He's not going to risk losing up to $40M guaranteed. I know a lot of posters want him to take a discount like the cancer in Miami did, but he only took a small discount not a potential $40M risk. None of us would do it so why do we feel Melo should? Let's get real.

Today, right now, Chauncey is not better, two/three years ago yes, but today no...Chauncey is a better shooter that's it, Felton is better in all other aspect plus a 7 mil savings on salary which is the most important aspect of this deal...

I've seen Chauncey play live for a while now and if you look at their stats this year Chauncey' stats are superior. In my opinion he's an upgrade for this year and next. The 7 mil means nothing since he will be released just like Felton would have been released so both salaries revert to zero in 2 years.

His stats aren't superior if you are refering to a 0.5 better scoring average...Felton is a better defender and pushes the ball more...The Knicks won't be able to afford a max point guard in two years if Melo comes here...Felton does what Billups does at half the price... Where are the Knicks going for a PG in 1.5 years??...U guys really want a 35 year old at PG ruinning with 27 year olds?? really???

Well I guess we disagree on this point. I can only tell you from seeing both play that in my opinion Billups is the better choice as a 2 year plan.

What's stats are you refering to?..Also do you think Billups is a better pick and roll guy given you have to be a penatrating threat, as well as a shooting threat? Is Billups a better defender...Has Billup slowed down this last year or so?, I think so?...Who can the Knicks possibly sign with no cap room in 2012?..At least Felton may be affordable and will still be in his prime?? any thoughts?...
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holfresh wrote:
FeltonandAmare wrote:
holfresh wrote:
FeltonandAmare wrote:
holfresh wrote:
FeltonandAmare wrote:
colorfl1 wrote:FeltonandAmare wrote:
He is definitely worth acquiring for the price of Chandler and Gallo.

Yes he is worth Gallo and Chandler.

However, he is not worth losing Felton, Randolph, Curry's expiring deal and those two.

That is giving up too many tradable assets for a guy most believe will end up in NY regardless because of his interest in building his brand on a world stage and the interests of his wife's career.

Chauncey is better than Felton, especially since Felton is only a 2 year solution. Curry is a total waste of human skin. The first round pick is an asset but is still an unknown. In terms of right now, which is what I meant, it's really just Chandler and Gallo which is not a steep price for a player like Melo. The addition of Curry and the first round pick does NOT kill our future.

Also, let me reiterate my position, Melo is NOT coming to the Knicks other than via a trade. He's not going to risk losing up to $40M guaranteed. I know a lot of posters want him to take a discount like the cancer in Miami did, but he only took a small discount not a potential $40M risk. None of us would do it so why do we feel Melo should? Let's get real.

Today, right now, Chauncey is not better, two/three years ago yes, but today no...Chauncey is a better shooter that's it, Felton is better in all other aspect plus a 7 mil savings on salary which is the most important aspect of this deal...

I've seen Chauncey play live for a while now and if you look at their stats this year Chauncey' stats are superior. In my opinion he's an upgrade for this year and next. The 7 mil means nothing since he will be released just like Felton would have been released so both salaries revert to zero in 2 years.

His stats aren't superior if you are refering to a 0.5 better scoring average...Felton is a better defender and pushes the ball more...The Knicks won't be able to afford a max point guard in two years if Melo comes here...Felton does what Billups does at half the price... Where are the Knicks going for a PG in 1.5 years??...U guys really want a 35 year old at PG ruinning with 27 year olds?? really???

Well I guess we disagree on this point. I can only tell you from seeing both play that in my opinion Billups is the better choice as a 2 year plan.

What's stats are you refering to?..Also do you think Billups is a better pick and roll guy given you have to be a penatrating threat, as well as a shooting threat? Is Billups a better defender...Has Billup slowed down this last year or so?, I think so?...Who can the Knicks possibly sign with no cap room in 2012?..At least Felton may be affordable and will still be in his prime?? any thoughts?...

There are so many reasons that Billup is an upgrade that I’ll probably miss one or two. Anyway, here are a few:

(1) Proven winner called Big Shot for a reason.
(2) Can dominate without having to push the ball up quickly and is able to control the tempo in a manner that Felton just can’t.
(3) Superior basketball IQ, great passer and court vision.
(4) Great size for a PG and tough as nails.
(5) Post up ability which Felton lacks.
(6) His style of play and cagey vet status allows him to be extremely effective for the rest of this year and next.
(7) His minutes are slightly down but he’s still very productive, basically the same rate as in the past. He knows how to pace himself.
(8) He can be an excellent teacher for Douglas just like he has been for Lawson. He has been given credit for Lawson’s development by the Denver coaching staff.
(9) He has played well with Melo and will make Melo’s transition to the Knicks a much easier one.

The plan is to clear up space in 2012. WHEN we get Melo and Amare stays healthy, then our team will become attractive enough to get one of the two major pgs that year.

If we are thinking about making noise in the playoffs, teams will be more scared of Billups than Felton.

In conclusion, Billups gives us a better chance of winning this year and next and does not compromise our ability to attract a great PG in 2012.

Note: His stats have been discussed in other threads. While stats can be deceiving my eyes tell me I'd rather have Billups than Felton.
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2/20/2011  4:37 PM    LAST EDITED: 2/20/2011  4:40 PM
FeltonandAmare wrote:
holfresh wrote:
FeltonandAmare wrote:
holfresh wrote:
FeltonandAmare wrote:
holfresh wrote:
FeltonandAmare wrote:
colorfl1 wrote:FeltonandAmare wrote:
He is definitely worth acquiring for the price of Chandler and Gallo.

Yes he is worth Gallo and Chandler.

However, he is not worth losing Felton, Randolph, Curry's expiring deal and those two.

That is giving up too many tradable assets for a guy most believe will end up in NY regardless because of his interest in building his brand on a world stage and the interests of his wife's career.

Chauncey is better than Felton, especially since Felton is only a 2 year solution. Curry is a total waste of human skin. The first round pick is an asset but is still an unknown. In terms of right now, which is what I meant, it's really just Chandler and Gallo which is not a steep price for a player like Melo. The addition of Curry and the first round pick does NOT kill our future.

Also, let me reiterate my position, Melo is NOT coming to the Knicks other than via a trade. He's not going to risk losing up to $40M guaranteed. I know a lot of posters want him to take a discount like the cancer in Miami did, but he only took a small discount not a potential $40M risk. None of us would do it so why do we feel Melo should? Let's get real.

Today, right now, Chauncey is not better, two/three years ago yes, but today no...Chauncey is a better shooter that's it, Felton is better in all other aspect plus a 7 mil savings on salary which is the most important aspect of this deal...

I've seen Chauncey play live for a while now and if you look at their stats this year Chauncey' stats are superior. In my opinion he's an upgrade for this year and next. The 7 mil means nothing since he will be released just like Felton would have been released so both salaries revert to zero in 2 years.

His stats aren't superior if you are refering to a 0.5 better scoring average...Felton is a better defender and pushes the ball more...The Knicks won't be able to afford a max point guard in two years if Melo comes here...Felton does what Billups does at half the price... Where are the Knicks going for a PG in 1.5 years??...U guys really want a 35 year old at PG ruinning with 27 year olds?? really???

Well I guess we disagree on this point. I can only tell you from seeing both play that in my opinion Billups is the better choice as a 2 year plan.

What's stats are you refering to?..Also do you think Billups is a better pick and roll guy given you have to be a penatrating threat, as well as a shooting threat? Is Billups a better defender...Has Billup slowed down this last year or so?, I think so?...Who can the Knicks possibly sign with no cap room in 2012?..At least Felton may be affordable and will still be in his prime?? any thoughts?...

There are so many reasons that Billup is an upgrade that I’ll probably miss one or two. Anyway, here are a few:

(1) Proven winner called Big Shot for a reason.
(2) Can dominate without having to push the ball up quickly and is able to control the tempo in a manner that Felton just can’t.
(3) Superior basketball IQ, great passer and court vision.
(4) Great size for a PG and tough as nails.
(5) Post up ability which Felton lacks.
(6) His style of play and cagey vet status allows him to be extremely effective for the rest of this year and next.
(7) His minutes are slightly down but he’s still very productive, basically the same rate as in the past. He knows how to pace himself.
(8) He can be an excellent teacher for Douglas just like he has been for Lawson. He has been given credit for Lawson’s development by the Denver coaching staff.
(9) He has played well with Melo and will make Melo’s transition to the Knicks a much easier one.

The plan is to clear up space in 2012. WHEN we get Melo and Amare stays healthy, then our team will become attractive enough to get one of the two major pgs that year.

If we are thinking about making noise in the playoffs, teams will be more scared of Billups than Felton.

In conclusion, Billups gives us a better chance of winning this year and next and does not compromise our ability to attract a great PG in 2012.

Note: His stats have been discussed in other threads. While stats can be deceiving my eyes tell me I'd rather have Billups than Felton.

His stats are in other threads??...Good one, I'll take that as meaning his stats are not better...You are talking about a player of 3/4 years ago...I'm looking at three years from now...Knicks ain't winning it this or next year...But we will agee to disagree...If Billups is so good and Denver isn't wiining it in two years, why don't they just let his contract roll off while he teaches the pups..Why would they want Felton???
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