BRIGGS wrote:

Vmart wrote:Not without Melo.

we will be great with or without him. this is a good YOUNG team now--next year we will be MUCH improved from within and additions. Im confidant that we should stay the course. Either get melo for a very reasonable fee before deadline--or FA. If he really wants to come here that will be the case. If not have fun somewhere else. Getting better in the NBA is a process and if we build a team that is very strong 1-12 like dallas like SA---we will be right up there.

I don't think the Knicks will be a great team without Melo. Chandler, Gallo aren't the world beaters that you seem to think they are. What I don't understand is if you are having trouble parting with players now for Melo when will you be OK to part with the Players that we currently have. I like the attributes that some of the Knicks players have but I don't think they have the Championship attribute necessary to win at the highest level in the NBA.

We have young players that are maybe another 3-4 years away before they play at their highest level, with that in mind we have a franchise player in Amare who probably has 3 years at the highest level of play. Window is short, Knicks need to go all in now or you just have another Pat Ewing situation, where talent wasn't the highest in his prime and when not in prime the Sprewell and Houston come in. To be honest this team still isn't equal to the teams Ewing had talent wise. So you are gonna waste Amare's prime years waiting for the talent to rise. You want to do the process of growing the young or swing for the fences like Boston, Miami and the Lakers, Hell even Orlando swapped almost their entire starting lineup in hopes to make good on Howard's time in Orlando and is swinging away in hopes of getting a team that can compete even higher than they were competing at.

You stand pat with the young, I don't see the Knicks being great. Just look at Atlanta good team but you know they aren't gonna win anything, at this moment I feel like that is where the Knicks are heading in an Atlanta direction. Atlanta has good talent but you know that talent isn't good enough to win you a chip. They have been at this longer than the Knicks. I don't see the Knicks being great without Melo he is an integral part of what the Knicks need to get into the elite status.

I was watching Bob Knight do an analysis on Kemba Walker, he showed the effectiveness of Walker without the ball and how he draws attention from the opposition he is an elite player in college. Melo does the same thing he draws so much attention from the opposition they pretty much have to game plan for him. Melo is gonna help make scrubs look good with Amare on his team that is why the Knicks need Melo he will help them get to the elite level.

GoNyGoNyGo wrote:The more I look at this, I think DW should play hard ball. If they take Curry, AR and Chandler, then fine make the deal. Why Chandler? Most likely he will not be resigned anyway if Melo makes it to FA. IF not, then hold on to what you got and make some moves that strengthen the team at C and backup PG. With AZ coming back, I think the team will be alright and they will make the playoffs and learn what that is like.

Carmelo has not lead Denver to the Finals yet and he has had a pretty good team. He just is not that kind of player. LBJ led a crappy Cleveland team to the finals, he would be worth everyone but Amare and that is essentially what Miami did. We have yet to see if the Miami plan turns into a championship.

Carmelo alone does not take NY to the top. Carmelo and Amare without Gallo, Fields, Mozgov is not so great either. THe Knicks need these guys together with Melo. I agree with DW, the team would NOT be better if NY traded all of them for Melo.

Kobe gets the rings but he needs Fisher hitting those big 3's. Duncan got the rings but needed Horry as his runnning mate. My point is you need the solid role players along with the stars. IF denver wont make the deal, get Melo as a FA and then you have a solid team and a team that could compete instantly even without a Paul or Williams, IMO.

I ask you which one is more readily available a Superstar or a Role player? I too agree that Walsh shouldn't gut the entire team but lets be real here if he has to, to get Melo I will not fault him.

Vmart wrote:

GoNyGoNyGo wrote:The more I look at this, I think DW should play hard ball. If they take Curry, AR and Chandler, then fine make the deal. Why Chandler? Most likely he will not be resigned anyway if Melo makes it to FA. IF not, then hold on to what you got and make some moves that strengthen the team at C and backup PG. With AZ coming back, I think the team will be alright and they will make the playoffs and learn what that is like.

Carmelo has not lead Denver to the Finals yet and he has had a pretty good team. He just is not that kind of player. LBJ led a crappy Cleveland team to the finals, he would be worth everyone but Amare and that is essentially what Miami did. We have yet to see if the Miami plan turns into a championship.

Carmelo alone does not take NY to the top. Carmelo and Amare without Gallo, Fields, Mozgov is not so great either. THe Knicks need these guys together with Melo. I agree with DW, the team would NOT be better if NY traded all of them for Melo.

Kobe gets the rings but he needs Fisher hitting those big 3's. Duncan got the rings but needed Horry as his runnning mate. My point is you need the solid role players along with the stars. IF denver wont make the deal, get Melo as a FA and then you have a solid team and a team that could compete instantly even without a Paul or Williams, IMO.

I ask you which one is more readily available a Superstar or a Role player? I too agree that Walsh shouldn't gut the entire team but lets be real here if he has to, to get Melo I will not fault him.

I would fault him. If you gut the entire team, lose your capspace, give up pics, give up your young guys and all you got is Melo and Amar'e, maybe mosgov, then to me, you're not contending for a championship. That still isn't a team better than the Heat, and chances are, we wont be under the cap for 2012 anyway, with those two huge contracts. To me, it's far more worth it to wait for free agency. It's not even something worth thinking about actually.

Especially considering that Melo isn't even on LeBrons level! He's a boarderline superstar. Not a top 5 player though, and that's what gutting the team is doing. Acting like we are going for a full blown super duper star.... It's completely not worth that.

And now people are willing to give up Felton? Please. Give me a break.

CashMoney wrote:

Nalod wrote:Vmart, its not where the team is now but what it can be.

NObody can see the future.

ATL made a big mistke using Horeford as a center. Josh SMith at PF makes for an athletic duo but not big enough.

They are paying big money for Smith, Horford, Bibby and overpaid on Joe Johnson. THey are locked in. We are not. With Melo, a fine fine player you end up getting locked in also.

Its very important that Amare get a big to play with to free him up. Melo does not do this. ITs important that Felton get backed up. If you use too much assets in getting melo you are all in with Mozzy as your big.

Its easy to say "get him" but the ramifications are the details and someone has to sweat them.

Melo will open the floor for Amar'e. They're will be times when Melo is doubled leaving STAT in one on one situations. Melo can also create his own shot and has a post game. If the Knicks get Melo they'll still need a big to rebound but that can be addressed. I think we all can agree that Melo will make the Knicks better if we don't give up too much. Melo on the Knicks will be great but it all depends on the price.

We'll be a better and much improved offensive team. That is correct. However, gutting the team would leave us heavily and I mean HEAVILY flawed on the defensive end though and even on offense, most likely, and we'd have no resources to improve. The team you'd see would be the team we'd have for a good few years. No f'ing thanks.

And chances of 2012 would be slim to none.

Vmart wrote:Nalod, the Knicks should get Melo at all costs. If you want a chance at a championship you do the deal. Melo, Amare and Billups not bad to start with. The Knicks can always pick up players along the way with MLE, players that get released and cuts. I would not hesitate to get Melo on the Knicks. I do know its a negotiation and they should try to hold back as many assets as possible to get the deal done. To get Melo I will not fret to much if Walsh has to give up the package mentioned before. I have full confidence that the presence of Melo and Amare will make what the Knicks have on the roster better.

We'd hurt our chances even more if we gave everything up for Melo.

Allanfan20 wrote:

Vmart wrote:Nalod, the Knicks should get Melo at all costs. If you want a chance at a championship you do the deal. Melo, Amare and Billups not bad to start with. The Knicks can always pick up players along the way with MLE, players that get released and cuts. I would not hesitate to get Melo on the Knicks. I do know its a negotiation and they should try to hold back as many assets as possible to get the deal done. To get Melo I will not fret to much if Walsh has to give up the package mentioned before. I have full confidence that the presence of Melo and Amare will make what the Knicks have on the roster better.

We'd hurt our chances even more if we gave everything up for Melo.

No we would not. I think you are over hyping what we have. Take away Amare from the team do you honestly think that we are a playoff team are Wilson Chander and Gallo going to carry the Knicks into the playoffs these guys are still 2-3-4 years away. Add Melo in their place and guess what Melo will get the Knicks in the playoffs you underestimate the presence of a superstar. He has presence that makes others better. I don't want to give up a ton of assest who the hell does, but if I have to get Melo, I will and I know it will be for the better.

The Knicks will never be able to win without Melo. He is our plan A through Z. The sky is falling. We're all doomed.

How ever did anyone win the NBA championship before Melo? Once the Nets get him they will be in the Finals every year.

He's a great player but gimme a F-in break. I can't wait for this **** to be done with.