Juice wrote:

Biggamer3 wrote:

Juice wrote:

Biggamer3 wrote:

Juice wrote:

Biggamer3 wrote:

Juice wrote:

Biggamer3 wrote:

Juice wrote:Gotta find where he wants to play and who has the money to sign him if we aren't interested in signing him ourselves. It's not like we can just trade him anywhere. There may be some teams over the cap who'll want him but once again he and Happy Walters have to be in agreement with destination.

why must he be happy with destination we can trade him wherever we want? say a team which is over the cap and cant sign him in offseason, but if they trade for him they can get him for this year and resign him to RFA deal since on roster. I am assuming Knicks can get Melo as a FA in offseason and cant resign Chandler anyway so might as well trade him and get a future #1 or young gun

You aren't going to get much value for a player headed into free agency unless he lands where he'd want to re-sign, what don't you understand about this simple concept. And if you trade him for someone this year that has salary on the books next year that's money coming out of Melo's pocket who's already crying about his money

I dont think you understand what an RFA actually is. If the team that has his rights wants to match an offer sheet which Chandler signed with another team they can match it regardless of if Chandler wants to stay there or not

If the player doesn't want to sign there or say gets a ridiculous offer sheet the team gets themselves into a pickle. Start naming players who have been traded for by a team where they had no intention of wanting to re-sign there. Guess what..... we tried that with Nate Robinson and David Lee both to Memphis and both trades feel through. I'll let you figure out why that happened.

Huh?

I really don't think you know the difference between an RFA and FA

Lets for example say Dallas gives us JJ Barrea and a future #1 for Chandler.

Now Dallas is over cap next year so can't sign a FA, but since they can go over cap to keep a player from their roster they can and will match any offer Chandler would receive.

That's it end of story. If he is not happy, to bad he has a new 5 year deal, he will play

No I understand matching rights....duh nothing new

Start naming examples where this is done. I gave you two players from our team as recent examples. Don't give me hypothetical examples. Show me actual happenings of a soon to be RFA(upside) getting traded with no intention of re-upping with the team. Who cares that Dallas would have matching rights in your example what if a team throws Granger money or more at Chandler hypothetically it could happen and Cuban let's Chandler walk like he did Nash

Teams usually want to keep the RFA's who are good since young talent is tough to lose, but knicks are in a situation where an NBA Superstar will be a FA and they know he wants to sign with them so they can't sign their RFA who they like no matter what. Donnie being a top GM will get some assets for Wilson if he realizes there will be no Denver trade

Once again I fire back and ask you since you think you had me on RFA which you didn't, let's use your Dallas example. I'm going to aim high here because you're big upping our GM. Let's say Cuban says I'll offer you Roddy Boo-Bwah and Dominique Jones for Chandler and Bill Walker..(I doubt it) but let's use it for example because you used the word "assets". Guess what Roddy and Jones become immediate cap hits for 2011. Chandler's Cap Hold of a near $6.5mil doesn't come off until he's dismissed got it? But you've just traded him at the deadline to Dallas for 2 players which salary are on the books for 2011...... about $2.5mil extra added to cap. Now what do you tell Melo and the greedy CAA when they anticipate all money on the table at Max which will be $17-18mil approx but you just ate into this $2.5mil from the Chandler trade?

Do you understand the cap?

Thats why in my example i used Barrea who expires and helps for this year, and a first rounder. So you get a future first and help this year and you have cap room. Capiche?

scoshin wrote:

Juice wrote:

Biggamer3 wrote:

Juice wrote:

Biggamer3 wrote:

Juice wrote:

Biggamer3 wrote:

Juice wrote:Gotta find where he wants to play and who has the money to sign him if we aren't interested in signing him ourselves. It's not like we can just trade him anywhere. There may be some teams over the cap who'll want him but once again he and Happy Walters have to be in agreement with destination.

why must he be happy with destination we can trade him wherever we want? say a team which is over the cap and cant sign him in offseason, but if they trade for him they can get him for this year and resign him to RFA deal since on roster. I am assuming Knicks can get Melo as a FA in offseason and cant resign Chandler anyway so might as well trade him and get a future #1 or young gun

You aren't going to get much value for a player headed into free agency unless he lands where he'd want to re-sign, what don't you understand about this simple concept. And if you trade him for someone this year that has salary on the books next year that's money coming out of Melo's pocket who's already crying about his money

I dont think you understand what an RFA actually is. If the team that has his rights wants to match an offer sheet which Chandler signed with another team they can match it regardless of if Chandler wants to stay there or not

If the player doesn't want to sign there or say gets a ridiculous offer sheet the team gets themselves into a pickle. Start naming players who have been traded for by a team where they had no intention of wanting to re-sign there. Guess what..... we tried that with Nate Robinson and David Lee both to Memphis and both trades feel through. I'll let you figure out why that happened.

Huh?

I really don't think you know the difference between an RFA and FA

Lets for example say Dallas gives us JJ Barrea and a future #1 for Chandler.

Now Dallas is over cap next year so can't sign a FA, but since they can go over cap to keep a player from their roster they can and will match any offer Chandler would receive.

That's it end of story. If he is not happy, to bad he has a new 5 year deal, he will play

No I understand matching rights....duh nothing new

Start naming examples where this is done. I gave you two players from our team as recent examples. Don't give me hypothetical examples. Show me actual happenings of a soon to be RFA(upside) getting traded with no intention of re-upping with the team. Who cares that Dallas would have matching rights in your example what if a team throws Granger money or more at Chandler hypothetically it could happen and Cuban let's Chandler walk like he did Nash

Joe Johnson RFA traded for 1st rd picks and Diaw
Kenyon Martin RFA traded for multiple 1sts
Eddy Curry RFA traded for multiple 1sts and Sweetney

S&T'ing RFA's can net back significant assets, especially if you "posture" that you'll match any offer.

haha good **** man!

I knew there were a few examples but was too lazy to search.

Juice is a clown and cant admit he is talking nonsense

KNICKSdom wrote:why even try to trade Chandler? Might as well resign him and let him get better as a Knick. The more time flies with this Melodrama bs the more it just plain bs. Melo not come to NY then I want keep Chandler around. Same goes for Gallo. Fields is a Knicks for life, I don't care what anyone says.

You keep Wilson Chandler.

Trades are not the end-all answer to improving. Some trades do NOT work.

masud wrote:We need real guards! If we don't get Mello we cant keep Gallo Landry and Chandler and expect to get much better.

TMS wrote:unless it's for an expiring contract & a lottery or high mid 1st round pick i would just hold onto Wilson til this summer if a Melo deal doesn't go down... getting Melo to sign isn't a given at this point we need to have a contingency in place in case we don't land him... having Wilson to use as an asset to trade this summer in a S&T for another player is essential to that contingency plan.

Very good point. It would be risky to move on a CHandler trade until the Melo-saga has been resolved, which may not be until July 1st-ish.

Biggamer3 wrote:

scoshin wrote:

Juice wrote:

Biggamer3 wrote:

Juice wrote:

Biggamer3 wrote:

Juice wrote:

Biggamer3 wrote:

Juice wrote:Gotta find where he wants to play and who has the money to sign him if we aren't interested in signing him ourselves. It's not like we can just trade him anywhere. There may be some teams over the cap who'll want him but once again he and Happy Walters have to be in agreement with destination.

why must he be happy with destination we can trade him wherever we want? say a team which is over the cap and cant sign him in offseason, but if they trade for him they can get him for this year and resign him to RFA deal since on roster. I am assuming Knicks can get Melo as a FA in offseason and cant resign Chandler anyway so might as well trade him and get a future #1 or young gun

You aren't going to get much value for a player headed into free agency unless he lands where he'd want to re-sign, what don't you understand about this simple concept. And if you trade him for someone this year that has salary on the books next year that's money coming out of Melo's pocket who's already crying about his money

I dont think you understand what an RFA actually is. If the team that has his rights wants to match an offer sheet which Chandler signed with another team they can match it regardless of if Chandler wants to stay there or not

If the player doesn't want to sign there or say gets a ridiculous offer sheet the team gets themselves into a pickle. Start naming players who have been traded for by a team where they had no intention of wanting to re-sign there. Guess what..... we tried that with Nate Robinson and David Lee both to Memphis and both trades feel through. I'll let you figure out why that happened.

Huh?

I really don't think you know the difference between an RFA and FA

Lets for example say Dallas gives us JJ Barrea and a future #1 for Chandler.

Now Dallas is over cap next year so can't sign a FA, but since they can go over cap to keep a player from their roster they can and will match any offer Chandler would receive.

That's it end of story. If he is not happy, to bad he has a new 5 year deal, he will play

No I understand matching rights....duh nothing new

Start naming examples where this is done. I gave you two players from our team as recent examples. Don't give me hypothetical examples. Show me actual happenings of a soon to be RFA(upside) getting traded with no intention of re-upping with the team. Who cares that Dallas would have matching rights in your example what if a team throws Granger money or more at Chandler hypothetically it could happen and Cuban let's Chandler walk like he did Nash

Joe Johnson RFA traded for 1st rd picks and Diaw
Kenyon Martin RFA traded for multiple 1sts
Eddy Curry RFA traded for multiple 1sts and Sweetney

S&T'ing RFA's can net back significant assets, especially if you "posture" that you'll match any offer.

haha good **** man!

I knew there were a few examples but was too lazy to search.

Juice is a clown and cant admit he is talking nonsense

It wasn't good ish because those guys wanted to sign at those destinations. All of his examples were pure fails. Show me an example of a RFA getting traded to a team he has no intention of resigning with? Not to mention none of them were traded before the deadline..... prior to their impending RFA status

I never said RFA cant be signed and traded. My point is very rarely if ever are RFA with high upside traded before the deadline to teams they have no intention of re-signing with

So I'll continue to wait for an example that fits the exact scenario we're dealing with, in Chandler being traded before the deadline

My bad on not catching your Barrea example. That suffices but not exactly good value for Chandler. Dallas has a pretty good record, you probably make them better and the draft could prove to be very weak depending on who declares. I think anyone with a brain knows we can trade Chandler for a very low 1rst round pick even during the off-season(rolling eyes) with the ability to still sign Melo.