nixluva wrote:

Papabear wrote:

nixluva wrote:

Papabear wrote:

babyKnicks wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:I love Moz my only issue is that he is coached and treated better than Randolph who was a lotter pick and is three years younger. Moz is probably a part of the future so the fact that he is a personal project of Dan D'Antoni's is fine. It just sucks that no one is making a personal project of the lottery pick that is the youngest player on the Knicks.

wow...opinion alert, opinion alert.

I counter that with...

Moz listens to his coaches better than Randolph.

Moz is a rookie...Randolph is in his second benhpching tour of duty by a coach that let's his players run wild on the court.

You think AR gets burn in San Antonio or Utah?

Papabear Says

We've been playing bad so long that we think that this team is a good team and it is not. I watched the Miami and Boston team play today and Boston won by 3 points. 85 -82 or something. Two great teams with great defense. Thats how you win games. If we were Boston I could see Randolph maybe not playing so much. But we are the knicks and our defense stink like all hell. You mean we can't find room for this kid to play 10 min. a game? Thats why we have coaches for to teach and learn. I think D'Antoni don't like him just like he didn't like Hill. At the rate we are going it will be a long time before we can become a serious contending team.And thats with Mello.

Before the season we had people who actually thought that the Nets were better than this team! No we're not a great team, but we've made some improvements and the team has been above .500 for a good part of the year so far. We've been playing poorly recently, but that doesn't mean we should just throw AR out there if he's not really ready to help us WIN. This is still a season that is about winning and getting a good playoff seed. This isn't the Nets, where you can justify playing kids cuz you've been out of playoff contention for months.

Hill wasn't that good and he wasn't ready. AR isn't ready, tho he has tons of talent. It's not about like or dislike. It's about how much game the player has. It's not personal. The thing Hill and AR have in common is a poor work ethic and that doesn't fly with this coach. You can say a lot of things about Mike, but he's a guy that rewards hard work and guys that respect the game. If you're lazy or a clown, he's not gonna want to play you.

Papabear Says

I'm quite sure Mike D was in on Drafting Hill. The kid never had a chance. The same with Randolph. I would sit guys down who can't play defense. When hill came out of college he was known to be a defensive player. D'Antoni wanted to make him into something he wasn't. When we played the Nets they gave us everything we could handle. I just can't stand Mike D one way game plane. Shoot the 3 ball shoot the 3 ball.

You assume that Hill never got a chance and that Mike wanted to make him into something he wasn't. Hill had an offensive game already. Mike wasn't trying to force him into doing things he shouldn't be doing. Mike generally looks to enhance the skills a player has. Mike is the one that has been pushing Guys to do more than just shoot jumpers. Gallo and Fields have been encouraged to drive more and once Chandler worked on his dribble we see that he's improved on his ability to get to the basket. Where is the evidence that Mike holds players back in some way? If anything he's done more to cause more role players to get paid big bucks than any coach in the league.

You also need to get the SSOL playbook and study it so that you can learn just how deep Mike's system really is. It's not just shooting 3's. You have to have players capable and willing to make full use of all the options he has in his system. The better and more skilled the player, the more you'll see out of Mike's system. We happen to have a lot of limited players who can fill roles, but don't necessarily have all the creative ability in the world. This limits them in what they can do. I'm glad to see Gallo, Fields, Chandler and even Williams progressively getting more comfortable driving in this offense. Don't tell me that you haven't noticed those players getting better at doing that?

We have almost no one that has true post skills in the rotation. Not many guys look to make cuts or go backdoor even tho it's there to be done. Fields does it the most but other guys can and should look to do these things more. As I pointed out tho, his gameplan was actually executed pretty well in the last game. 25 assists, 43% and 47% shooting are all good things for this team. I'd like a better 2pt shooting percentage, but other than that it was a good performance. Winning 105-95 is a good thing. Anytime you hold a team to under 100 while getting 100 or more it's a good thing. What's to complain about? We need to do that to every .500 or lower team we play.

Another thing. This is not the final title contending team we're looking at. Even if they did the best they could this team could only get so far. I don't care who was coaching, this team needs more improvements to contend.

Come on man!!! This is all great stuff... But You are tolking to Papabear!!! Do you understand??

Finestrg wrote:

tj23 wrote:He makes a ton of mistakes but he's really active and our best defensive big man.

He's not a better defensive big than Turiaf. Or Amar'e whose weakside D is exceptional this year..Come on now kid..Nothing personal against this guy but I think you can make a strong case that pound for pound, he's actually the worst big man we have on the roster..i can only dream of how much better a team we'd be if AR had actually been given a legit shot to play or at least the same opportunity this kid has gotten..