OasisBU wrote:

SupremeCommander wrote:I would still make the deal. Would try to keep Fields. Think he oculd be special. Don't think that about the rest and believe they're all replaceable.

You do realize how much work it took just to get to this level o talent right? It's not like the Knicks can just fill the roster with these types of players - it has taken many years of trades to get here. Are they elite? No, but I don't think it will be easy to fill out a roster with limited cap room and no draft picks.

Was "You do realize how much work it took just to get to this level o talent right?" really necessary? Don't appreciate it. Disagree all you want but in the words of Mark Jackson, come on man, you're better than that

Either way they're a .500 team. I do think the future is brighter by filling the holes after the fact too.

Anyone remember the KG trade? KG for "Ryan Gomes, Gerald Green, Al Jefferson, Theo Ratliff, Sebastian Telfair, a 2009 first round draft pick (top three protected) and a return of Minnesota's conditional first round draft pick previously obtained in the Ricky Davis-Wally Szczerbiak trade." celtics.com

I'm sorry but Mozgov, Chandler, Gallo, Brewer and 2 first rd picks <<<<<<<<<<<<<<< what the Wolves got. And they stunk for a long time.

OasisBU wrote:

TMS wrote:

OasisBU wrote:I think you offer Curry, Chandler, AR, and some picks and you don't budge. Is that lowballing? Sure - Gasol got traded for less. Melo wants out, if he wants to be a Knick and play on a great team then he will find a way here that doesn't hurt the franchise.

IMO u gotta be willing to substitute Gallo or Fields for Wilson... bottomline is neither of those guys are worth losing Melo over... i would tell Denver u can choose any 2 of the following:

Gallo
Wilson
Fields
AR

& with those 2 u can also have cash, a future #1 & any other filler u want out of our expirings & Mozgov... that's it, take it or leave it... i think that's a completely reasonable offer & won't make either team look like chumps in the process.

Agreed - but that is as far as I would go and I am not sure I would allow Gallo AND Chandler to go.

I would do:
Either Wilson or Gallo and your choice of AR, Fields, etc

IMO it probably makes more sense for the Knicks to hold onto Fields than either Wilson or Gallo being as tho Melo plays the position they play... i know Wilson can also play the 2G but i think Fields is more effective as a dirty work style role player, which is probably more of what you will need if u add Melo to the mix... either way, if it takes Fields or Gallo to get Melo to NY, i'm down for it... just gotta draw some kind of reasonable line in the sand the Nuggets are seriously buggin' if they think they can milk a better package of talent out of the Knicks than they were gonna get from the Nets.

TMS wrote:

Swishfm3 wrote:So they Want Mozgov, Fields, Gallo and a First rounder from us?

Although I feel that Gallo would benefit playing with Melo, and having Gallo and Melo on the Knicks would make us a MUCH better team, I think this is a fair trade.

Get it done!!!!

they also want AR (he's going to Minny to get Brewer & their 1st rd pick)

u can't make that trade w/all that going to DEN, that's a better package of talent than they were getting from the Nets for cripes sakes... the Nuggets need to get real, they can demand the world doesn't mean they're gonna get it... IMO unless they're willing to send Afflalo & Nene back to us in that deal, there's no way DW is even considering making that deal.

I understand that and it sucks that we have to give up some of these guys...but I have to ask you the same question SAS asked Harry (what you posted on the other thread)

"TMS, I'm asking you a simple question. Do you think a team with Melo & Amare have a better chance of competing for a championship than a team of Amare, Wilson Chandler & Gallinari?"

Thats what it boils down. Gallo and Fields are role players that can be easily replaced...How many chances are the Knicks going to get to add another player, of Melo caliber, to play next Amare?

Swishfm3 wrote:

TMS wrote:

Swishfm3 wrote:So they Want Mozgov, Fields, Gallo and a First rounder from us?

Although I feel that Gallo would benefit playing with Melo, and having Gallo and Melo on the Knicks would make us a MUCH better team, I think this is a fair trade.

Get it done!!!!

they also want AR (he's going to Minny to get Brewer & their 1st rd pick)

u can't make that trade w/all that going to DEN, that's a better package of talent than they were getting from the Nets for cripes sakes... the Nuggets need to get real, they can demand the world doesn't mean they're gonna get it... IMO unless they're willing to send Afflalo & Nene back to us in that deal, there's no way DW is even considering making that deal.

I understand that and it sucks that we have to give up some of these guys...but I have to ask you the same question SAS asked Harry (what you posted on the other thread)

"TMS, I'm asking you a simple question. Do you think a team with Melo & Amare have a better chance of competing for a championship than a team of Amare, Wilson Chandler & Gallinari?"

Thats what it boils down. Gallo and Fields are role players that can be easily replaced...How many chances are the Knicks going to get to add another player, of Melo caliber, to play next Amare?

no question i'm not saying i'd say no if Denver wants Wilson & Gallo for Melo... what i'm saying is they're in no position to be demanding all those other pieces they're asking for on top... AR, Fields, another 1st rounder & Mozgov? sorry but that's not reasonable... that's a better package of talent than the one they were gonna get from the Nets originally... right now they have no other real options but to deal w/the Knicks, they need to be reasonable & take a fair package or be resigned to risk losing him for nothing... they can't ask for all of our young talent in exchange for Melo at this point.

again, i think a fair package is letting them have 2 of the 4 guys in question & whatever other lesser filler pieces it takes to make the deal work... if we have to throw in TD, Mozgov or Walker, i'm with it... i don't give a crap about guys like that, we can easily replace them... IMO we need to be able to hold onto 2 of those top 4 young talents in order for the deal to make sense from the Knicks' standpoint, especially already knowing that there's a good chance that Melo would sign w/us this summer if a trade can't get done... for the benefit of having Melo earlier than this summer i'm willing to sacrifice a couple of our best young players to get the deal done, but not all of them, that's just stupid.

OasisBU wrote:I can't believe there are people on this forum who would agree to thus trade - obviously the word championship means little to nothing to some people. You cannot gut this team an mortgage it's future in order to get 1 player. Especially not for a player who has an opt out clause and can come here for nothing. I'm sorry but I don't make that trade.

I want Melo as much as anyone, I saw him at Cuse and have been a fan ever since. However, I also want the Knicks to be contenders and the only way they do that is with a deep talented team. It's funny how so many in this forum are ready to dump Chandler, Gallo, Felton, Fields, an Moz plus picks to get one guy. We will have the same problems if that happens - even if they throw in Billups.

I think you offer Curry, Chandler, AR, and some picks and you don't budge. Is that lowballing? Sure - Gasol got traded for less. Melo wants out, if he wants to be a Knick and play on a great team then he will find a way here that doesn't hurt the franchise.

Nicely said duke.....

I add Williams and Felton if we get Billups back as well

I think we need Melo more now then ever but The Don wont sell farm
He knows he doesn't have to

SupremeCommander wrote:

OasisBU wrote:

SupremeCommander wrote:I would still make the deal. Would try to keep Fields. Think he oculd be special. Don't think that about the rest and believe they're all replaceable.

You do realize how much work it took just to get to this level o talent right? It's not like the Knicks can just fill the roster with these types of players - it has taken many years of trades to get here. Are they elite? No, but I don't think it will be easy to fill out a roster with limited cap room and no draft picks.

Was "You do realize how much work it took just to get to this level o talent right?" really necessary? Don't appreciate it. Disagree all you want but in the words of Mark Jackson, come on man, you're better than that

Either way they're a .500 team. I do think the future is brighter by filling the holes after the fact too.

Anyone remember the KG trade? KG for "Ryan Gomes, Gerald Green, Al Jefferson, Theo Ratliff, Sebastian Telfair, a 2009 first round draft pick (top three protected) and a return of Minnesota's conditional first round draft pick previously obtained in the Ricky Davis-Wally Szczerbiak trade." celtics.com

I'm sorry but Mozgov, Chandler, Gallo, Brewer and 2 first rd picks <<<<<<<<<<<<<<< what the Wolves got. And they stunk for a long time.

Garnett was signed long term and could of been traded anywhere!!

If Melo was signed he be a Net already

Not the same situation here ....... Melo has all the power here not Denver If Melo had 3 years
left on his deal Denver never even entertains trading him!!

We do not need to sell farm....... Hope we dont trade Gallo nor Moz

Would love to keep Fields as well but if we get Melo I'm sure Fields will play much less
so if we have to trade him to get Melo along with Chandler AR and Curry that's beyond fair
for everyone.

In the NBA owners do not want to just take your players thats why you saw all these 2 first
round picks going back to teams who lost FA this summer..

In my opinion we need to either SAY we will wait till Summer or make a move now!

Drama has lasted TOO LONG ALREADY!!

CHAOS wrote:Denver wants Mozgov, Chandler, Gallo, Brewer and 2 first rd picks to start with

Why not add Felton Amar'e Fields Dan D'antoni Herb Williams and 4 first round picks

Talk with Denver and wait till the last day and see what Carmelo does. Do he really want to come here with a team that will take 2 years to rebuild in order to contend for a championship or do he says screw it I'll wait till the end of the season and sign with the Knicks with a full team.