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2/11/2011  9:53 AM
2 of Fields/Gallo/Chandler is fine with me tbh. As long as the one we keep is not Chandler..
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2/11/2011  9:55 AM
VDesai wrote:At this point Gallo is a poor man's Van Horn type of player- he could be a lot better but he still has a way to go. He's very erratic. Landry Fields is an awesome glue player- defense, rebounding, occasional scoring outbursts- but his ceiling may not be much higher than the player he is now.

Wilson Chandler is the best player of the 3, but if we're acquiring Melo, his skills essentially become redundant.

Its not an easy choice, but we have to give up 2 of the 3 players. Its just not happening without it.

A poor man's Van Horn? Damn...

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2/11/2011  9:57 AM
MooK wrote:
VDesai wrote:At this point Gallo is a poor man's Van Horn type of player- he could be a lot better but he still has a way to go. He's very erratic. Landry Fields is an awesome glue player- defense, rebounding, occasional scoring outbursts- but his ceiling may not be much higher than the player he is now.

Wilson Chandler is the best player of the 3, but if we're acquiring Melo, his skills essentially become redundant.

Its not an easy choice, but we have to give up 2 of the 3 players. Its just not happening without it.

A poor man's Van Horn? Damn...

fields has improved so much. i expect him to be a dead eye 3 point shooter by next yr. i don't think he's hit his ceiling yet given the improvement over the last yr.

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2/11/2011  10:03 AM
BigSm00th wrote:
MooK wrote:
SupremeCommander wrote:
MooK wrote:You keeping Fields over Gallo?...tough call cause both are a good fit, but I'd keep Gallo.

I would keep Fields over Gallo too. Fields is the best in the lwague at his position at something. Gallo is great one game and mediocre the next three

I don't think you can go wrong with either player but ultimately I like Gallo better. I like his shooting, driving, passing, and defense more. The only real knock on him is he's inconsistent. He'd be deadly if you added Melo and Billups to this team.

gallo and melo both play the 3. i'd rather keep fields. doesn't need the ball to be successful. WAY more consistent as a rookie than these guys.

Fields is more consistent in his role, but he's not asked to do as much. Both players fit but I really like Gallo's versatility, especially on defense.

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2/11/2011  10:10 AM    LAST EDITED: 2/11/2011  10:11 AM
MooK wrote:
BigSm00th wrote:
MooK wrote:
SupremeCommander wrote:
MooK wrote:You keeping Fields over Gallo?...tough call cause both are a good fit, but I'd keep Gallo.

I would keep Fields over Gallo too. Fields is the best in the lwague at his position at something. Gallo is great one game and mediocre the next three

I don't think you can go wrong with either player but ultimately I like Gallo better. I like his shooting, driving, passing, and defense more. The only real knock on him is he's inconsistent. He'd be deadly if you added Melo and Billups to this team.

gallo and melo both play the 3. i'd rather keep fields. doesn't need the ball to be successful. WAY more consistent as a rookie than these guys.

Fields is more consistent in his role, but he's not asked to do as much. Both players fit but I really like Gallo's versatility, especially on defense.

yea but who's he gonna be guarding? melo is gonna guard 3s. 2s are too quick for gallo.

in my view, gallo and chandler are both redundant with melo.

fields isn't asked to do much and yet he's arguably the knicks best rebounder. he isn't asked to do much but he has been more consistent than gallo and chandler all year. fields always makes the right pass, has a nose for the ball, and actually fits at the 2. i don't think we've seen the ceiling from fields.

if it were another player i'd probably rank it differently but melo is a 3, so is gallo, so is chandler. let's keep fields.

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2/11/2011  10:34 AM
So a report says Denver wants

Mosgov or AR
gallo
fields
chandler
and two #1 picks
Curry's expiring contract

there willing to pull back gallo or fields.. This looks like a similar hiest they tried with NJ

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2/11/2011  10:43 AM
MooK wrote:
SupremeCommander wrote:
MooK wrote:You keeping Fields over Gallo?...tough call cause both are a good fit, but I'd keep Gallo.

I would keep Fields over Gallo too. Fields is the best in the lwague at his position at something. Gallo is great one game and mediocre the next three

I don't think you can go wrong with either player but ultimately I like Gallo better. I like his shooting, driving, passing, and defense more. The only real knock on him is he's inconsistent. He'd be deadly if you added Melo and Billups to this team.

I agree with you... just think you can get 75% of Gallo from Shawne Williams or Billy Walker or maybe even Andy Rautins. Who do you get to replace what Fields brings to the table?

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2/11/2011  10:45 AM
knicks1248 wrote:So a report says Denver wants

Mosgov or AR
gallo
fields
chandler
and two #1 picks
Curry's expiring contract

there willing to pull back gallo or fields.. This looks like a similar hiest they tried with NJ

I don't know if I want to cry or laugh or both. I want some of what the Denver front office is smoking.

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2/11/2011  10:46 AM
BigSm00th wrote:
MooK wrote:
BigSm00th wrote:
MooK wrote:
SupremeCommander wrote:
MooK wrote:You keeping Fields over Gallo?...tough call cause both are a good fit, but I'd keep Gallo.

I would keep Fields over Gallo too. Fields is the best in the lwague at his position at something. Gallo is great one game and mediocre the next three

I don't think you can go wrong with either player but ultimately I like Gallo better. I like his shooting, driving, passing, and defense more. The only real knock on him is he's inconsistent. He'd be deadly if you added Melo and Billups to this team.

gallo and melo both play the 3. i'd rather keep fields. doesn't need the ball to be successful. WAY more consistent as a rookie than these guys.

Fields is more consistent in his role, but he's not asked to do as much. Both players fit but I really like Gallo's versatility, especially on defense.

yea but who's he gonna be guarding? melo is gonna guard 3s. 2s are too quick for gallo.in my view, gallo and chandler are both redundant with melo.

fields isn't asked to do much and yet he's arguably the knicks best rebounder. he isn't asked to do much but he has been more consistent than gallo and chandler all year. fields always makes the right pass, has a nose for the ball, and actually fits at the 2. i don't think we've seen the ceiling from fields.

if it were another player i'd probably rank it differently but melo is a 3, so is gallo, so is chandler. let's keep fields.

you know when the Knicks started to come back on the Clippers? When Gallo started guarding Baron Davis. We have seen this several times from him and its not acknowledged around here because for some reason people really like to hate on Gallo above all other players. Its looks like vmart and sergio's anti Gallo campain is finally working. Gallo is a 6'10 guy who has shown he can guard smaller quicker players. He's got great court vision. He's ultra crafty getting to the line and while is game is somewhat limited to long jumpers and drives to the lane he's damn good at both. He's also awesome on the break and is one of our highest IQ players.

To me the formula is simple... we need to keep Mosgov and Gallo. Gallo spreads the floor and Mosgov is the size and athleticism upfront we are so desperate for. Neither Mos or Gallo are ready for a title run yet, but both are maturing quickly, both work very hard and are dedicated to improving on BOTH sides of the ball.

I like both Chandler and Fields, but they are easier to find then a 6'10 wing who can guard 1s, 2s and 3s, spread the floor and get to the line or a 7'1 skilled athletic true center.

The lineup you want to go to war with is this:
PG Felton
SG Melo 6'8
SF Gallo 6'10
PF Amare 6'10
C Mosgov 7'1

Thats a starting line up with elite skill and athleticism. You want to be elite you create huge mismatches every night.

Gallo draws and ASKS to guard the opposing teams best scorer every night. Is he a lock down defender? Obviously not, but he is certainly effective playing that role. Melo, Amare and Gallo are a legit big 3 with Mos and Felton bringing huge things themselves. Your not going to find better depth than that.

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2/11/2011  10:50 AM
fishmike wrote:
BigSm00th wrote:
MooK wrote:
BigSm00th wrote:
MooK wrote:
SupremeCommander wrote:
MooK wrote:You keeping Fields over Gallo?...tough call cause both are a good fit, but I'd keep Gallo.

I would keep Fields over Gallo too. Fields is the best in the lwague at his position at something. Gallo is great one game and mediocre the next three

I don't think you can go wrong with either player but ultimately I like Gallo better. I like his shooting, driving, passing, and defense more. The only real knock on him is he's inconsistent. He'd be deadly if you added Melo and Billups to this team.

gallo and melo both play the 3. i'd rather keep fields. doesn't need the ball to be successful. WAY more consistent as a rookie than these guys.

Fields is more consistent in his role, but he's not asked to do as much. Both players fit but I really like Gallo's versatility, especially on defense.

yea but who's he gonna be guarding? melo is gonna guard 3s. 2s are too quick for gallo.in my view, gallo and chandler are both redundant with melo.

fields isn't asked to do much and yet he's arguably the knicks best rebounder. he isn't asked to do much but he has been more consistent than gallo and chandler all year. fields always makes the right pass, has a nose for the ball, and actually fits at the 2. i don't think we've seen the ceiling from fields.

if it were another player i'd probably rank it differently but melo is a 3, so is gallo, so is chandler. let's keep fields.

you know when the Knicks started to come back on the Clippers? When Gallo started guarding Baron Davis. We have seen this several times from him and its not acknowledged around here because for some reason people really like to hate on Gallo above all other players. Its looks like vmart and sergio's anti Gallo campain is finally working. Gallo is a 6'10 guy who has shown he can guard smaller quicker players. He's got great court vision. He's ultra crafty getting to the line and while is game is somewhat limited to long jumpers and drives to the lane he's damn good at both. He's also awesome on the break and is one of our highest IQ players.

To me the formula is simple... we need to keep Mosgov and Gallo. Gallo spreads the floor and Mosgov is the size and athleticism upfront we are so desperate for. Neither Mos or Gallo are ready for a title run yet, but both are maturing quickly, both work very hard and are dedicated to improving on BOTH sides of the ball.

I like both Chandler and Fields, but they are easier to find then a 6'10 wing who can guard 1s, 2s and 3s, spread the floor and get to the line or a 7'1 skilled athletic true center.

The lineup you want to go to war with is this:
PG Felton
SG Melo 6'8
SF Gallo 6'10
PF Amare 6'10
C Mosgov 7'1

Thats a starting line up with elite skill and athleticism. You want to be elite you create huge mismatches every night.

Gallo draws and ASKS to guard the opposing teams best scorer every night. Is he a lock down defender? Obviously not, but he is certainly effective playing that role. Melo, Amare and Gallo are a legit big 3 with Mos and Felton bringing huge things themselves. Your not going to find better depth than that.

I really like that lineup and I would actually pencil in Gallo at the SG spot. On our double high post set, you can have Melo and Amare on the elbows and Gallo on one wing and Timo at the baseline ready to catch for a dunk or rebound. It will be pick your posion type in the offensive set.

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2/11/2011  10:53 AM
NYKBocker wrote:
knicks1248 wrote:So a report says Denver wants

Mosgov or AR
gallo
fields
chandler
and two #1 picks
Curry's expiring contract

there willing to pull back gallo or fields.. This looks like a similar hiest they tried with NJ

I don't know if I want to cry or laugh or both. I want some of what the Denver front office is smoking.


at one point I said I would not do this, but I am high enough on Gallo and Mosgov that I would trade Chandler, Fields, AR, +pick and Curry's expiring for Melo. I believe its overpaying for sure but put it in perspective. AR doesnt play, a starter in his walk year (Chandler), a nice rookie prospect (Fields) and a pick and expiring deal.. thats fair market value and leaves the Knicks with the two key future pieces they will need to compete for a title. Thats an athletic big (Mosgov) and a great shooter and nightly mismatch in Gallo who can defend multiple wing positions.

Look at your team:
PG Felton
SG Melo
SF Gallo
PF Amare
C Mosgov
bench: Williams, Douglas, etc

Thats a ferocious starting lineup. Sure, Gallo and Mos need more time but that team probably advances this year, and in a year or two is competing for a title.

But of course I believe in Mos/Gallo a lot more than some around here.

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2/11/2011  10:54 AM
fishmike wrote:
BigSm00th wrote:
MooK wrote:
BigSm00th wrote:
MooK wrote:
SupremeCommander wrote:
MooK wrote:You keeping Fields over Gallo?...tough call cause both are a good fit, but I'd keep Gallo.

I would keep Fields over Gallo too. Fields is the best in the lwague at his position at something. Gallo is great one game and mediocre the next three

I don't think you can go wrong with either player but ultimately I like Gallo better. I like his shooting, driving, passing, and defense more. The only real knock on him is he's inconsistent. He'd be deadly if you added Melo and Billups to this team.

gallo and melo both play the 3. i'd rather keep fields. doesn't need the ball to be successful. WAY more consistent as a rookie than these guys.

Fields is more consistent in his role, but he's not asked to do as much. Both players fit but I really like Gallo's versatility, especially on defense.

yea but who's he gonna be guarding? melo is gonna guard 3s. 2s are too quick for gallo.in my view, gallo and chandler are both redundant with melo.

fields isn't asked to do much and yet he's arguably the knicks best rebounder. he isn't asked to do much but he has been more consistent than gallo and chandler all year. fields always makes the right pass, has a nose for the ball, and actually fits at the 2. i don't think we've seen the ceiling from fields.

if it were another player i'd probably rank it differently but melo is a 3, so is gallo, so is chandler. let's keep fields.

you know when the Knicks started to come back on the Clippers? When Gallo started guarding Baron Davis. We have seen this several times from him and its not acknowledged around here because for some reason people really like to hate on Gallo above all other players. Its looks like vmart and sergio's anti Gallo campain is finally working. Gallo is a 6'10 guy who has shown he can guard smaller quicker players. He's got great court vision. He's ultra crafty getting to the line and while is game is somewhat limited to long jumpers and drives to the lane he's damn good at both. He's also awesome on the break and is one of our highest IQ players.

To me the formula is simple... we need to keep Mosgov and Gallo. Gallo spreads the floor and Mosgov is the size and athleticism upfront we are so desperate for. Neither Mos or Gallo are ready for a title run yet, but both are maturing quickly, both work very hard and are dedicated to improving on BOTH sides of the ball.

I like both Chandler and Fields, but they are easier to find then a 6'10 wing who can guard 1s, 2s and 3s, spread the floor and get to the line or a 7'1 skilled athletic true center.

The lineup you want to go to war with is this:
PG Felton
SG Melo 6'8
SF Gallo 6'10
PF Amare 6'10
C Mosgov 7'1

Thats a starting line up with elite skill and athleticism. You want to be elite you create huge mismatches every night.

Gallo draws and ASKS to guard the opposing teams best scorer every night. Is he a lock down defender? Obviously not, but he is certainly effective playing that role. Melo, Amare and Gallo are a legit big 3 with Mos and Felton bringing huge things themselves. Your not going to find better depth than that.

I'll agree with you when he can be counted on game-in, game-out. Fields is a unique player... he had a 17 rebound night. He shoots 38% from three, which is Gallo's career percentage (not using Gallo's season percentage out of fairness). Anyway, I like that you can count on Fields each game

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2/11/2011  10:55 AM
BRIGGS wrote:Gallo Chandler Randolph +2014 1 for Melo

lol come on Briggs - you and I both know we can't gut the team for one player. I know we are looking bad right now and Melo is crushing it but if we make that move we can't play for a championship. We would have no supporting cast.

I do think we need Melo or alternatively we should swing for 2 impact FA - at SG/PG and a C. I still think for us to win it all (going up against the C's, Heat, and Lakers) we will need a second all star.

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2/11/2011  11:01 AM
OasisBU wrote:
BRIGGS wrote:Gallo Chandler Randolph +2014 1 for Melo

lol come on Briggs - you and I both know we can't gut the team for one player. I know we are looking bad right now and Melo is crushing it but if we make that move we can't play for a championship. We would have no supporting cast.

I do think we need Melo or alternatively we should swing for 2 impact FA - at SG/PG and a C. I still think for us to win it all (going up against the C's, Heat, and Lakers) we will need a second all star.

Why not? This team is completely mediocre. I think the future is brightest if you get Melo and then surround him and Amar'e with the proper supporting cast.

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2/11/2011  11:01 AM
Melo is obviously gonna play the 4 under D'Antoni. Come on yall...
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2/11/2011  11:02 AM
Fish, thats my line up also.

I go no higher than that deal: Chandler, Fields, AR and Curry. My Cave is fields.

Even here I am reluctant. IN the Face of fans caving I am almost resolved to reject this as most fans are emotional and not logical.

The benchmark of success is to accomplish your goals. We are not privy to Walsh's contingent plans (Plan A, Plan B, etc) so IM not sure what his priorities are.

Any higher assets going out to aquire Melo to me is not in our best interests anymore and a Melo inclusion diminishes.

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2/11/2011  11:05 AM
NYKBocker wrote:
fishmike wrote:PG Felton
SG Melo 6'8
SF Gallo 6'10
PF Amare 6'10
C Mosgov 7'1

I really like that lineup and I would actually pencil in Gallo at the SG spot. On our double high post set, you can have Melo and Amare on the elbows and Gallo on one wing and Timo at the baseline ready to catch for a dunk or rebound. It will be pick your posion type in the offensive set.


when you look at those 5 guys, plus Williams and Douglas off the bench you have 7 guys who are all skilled on both ends (Amare and Melo will need some motivation on defense), all 7 guys have good range on the jumper, are fast, athletic and multi skilled. Its all about size and depth for me. Anyone who has actually taken the time to read what I have written about Melo knows I would love to get him at fair value. For the Knicks its all about what they can afford to give up. Gallo is the real deal to me and while Mosgov is extremely raw when you look at his size and physical skills along with his desire to succeed, work ethic, how he conducts himself (doesnt party, workout fanatic) I think he's a great investment.

Thats the team I would be trying to create.

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2/11/2011  11:13 AM
Nalod wrote:Fish, thats my line up also.

I go no higher than that deal: Chandler, Fields, AR and Curry. My Cave is fields.

Even here I am reluctant. IN the Face of fans caving I am almost resolved to reject this as most fans are emotional and not logical.

The benchmark of success is to accomplish your goals. We are not privy to Walsh's contingent plans (Plan A, Plan B, etc) so IM not sure what his priorities are.

Any higher assets going out to aquire Melo to me is not in our best interests anymore and a Melo inclusion diminishes.


agree 100% Getting Melo now does switch us to a win now team, or a team that has the pieces in place to win in a year or two. To me the guys who are unique and most difficult to aquire are Gallo and Mos. Fields is doing a great job to capitalize on the talent around him, but he really doesnt create anything himself, and really struggles to do so when put in that position. Gallo seems to thrive in that position. Fields is the same age as Gallo, although has more NBA experience. I prefer Gallo because of his size, ability to guard smaller players and isergio and vmart hate him, so I hope he stays and hits clutch shots in the playoffs
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2/11/2011  11:17 AM
Personally, I like

Felton/HELP!
Fields/Douglas
Melo/Walker
Amar'e/Williams
Mozgov/Turiaf

Melo is either the second or third best SF in the league. He'll play there.

Team would needs post scoring, rebounding, and playmaking off the bench moving forward.

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2/11/2011  11:21 AM

Gallo when his contract up will have the leverage of being a bit of a star attraction in Europe and command big money. Cheap ass Nuggs won't like that.

Gallo in NY can get paid and have endorsemnts here and in Italy.

Also, with a name like "Carmelo Anthony" he can do pretty good in Italy also! When I first heard his name years ago I thought he had to be Italian!

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