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nykshaknbake
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2/9/2011  10:48 PM
A lockdown team. That's great. I just want a slightly below average team. Can this team do that or is the roster not good enough, despite having a good defensive coach?

nixluva wrote:
DrAlphaeus wrote:nixluva to the rescue with the feel-good! I just can't get all doom-and-gloom just yet while we still have a winning record. How many Februaries has it been since that was the case?

I'm just being realistic. This team wasn't built to be a shutdown defensive team. We beat teams by outscoring them and playing smart and efficient BB. Now we've been looking to add Melo who will only further cement that this is an offensive team. Unless we don't get him and then can go for a big and PG. Otherwise we'd be doubling down on the offensive team we already have and making it more potent with Melo.

I know it looks like we lost on D, but really it was horrid offense. We can't miss that many open shots and expect to win.

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2/9/2011  10:49 PM
JrZyHuStLa wrote:
GustavBahler wrote:I want to see what kind of a job D'Antoni does in the playoffs, if they make it. If the Knicks can't get there in this division, then three years is enough. Never thought he should be fired in the first two seasons with that roster even though I thought he didn't do such a great job, the roster plain sucked. There is enough talent to at least make the playoffs this season so I wouldn't have a problem with letting him go if they don't make it.

His coaching future shouldn't be determined by whether or not he makes the playoffs. Any Amare Stoudemire team can make the playoffs. But with the way things are going, we're looking at a first round exit.

If that's true that any Amare team should make the playoffs and they don't then who is to blame?

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2/9/2011  10:54 PM
CrushAlot wrote:
GustavBahler wrote:I want to see what kind of a job D'Antoni does in the playoffs, if they make it. If the Knicks can't get there in this division, then three years is enough. Never thought he should be fired in the first two seasons with that roster even though I thought he didn't do such a great job, the roster plain sucked. There is enough talent to at least make the playoffs this season so I wouldn't have a problem with letting him go if they don't make it.
He messed up pretty bad last year not playing Hill and Douglas. I think he could have handled things a bit better with Nate and Darko. Both of those guys were talents that Walsh wanted on the team. If you are a great coach you make things work with them like their new coaches are. I think Randolph will be the next asset devaluled by D'Antoni to be moved because he doesn't want to deal with guys that need leadership and teaching from the coach. In addition to being a franchise player, Amare filled the leadership void that was lacking with this coach.

Again with this crap. How do you really ignore the fact that Fields and now Timo are playing well? We picked up Williams off the scrap heap and he's been productive. Gallo has gotten better even tho he's not all the way there as a player yet. despite the complaining TD has for the most part been a productive player and played most of the year hurt. My point is that he's had some success in getting young players to improve and find a niche. who cares about Nate, Darko and Hill? Those guys aren't gonna help us win a title and i'm glad they're gone.

IMO this team is still gonna end up close to what most expected of the team. I do think they can end up above .500 and be in the playoffs. That was the goal for this year. If we make a trade to improve the roster even better. I see a lot of winnable games in the final 31. We still have a good shot to end up with a decent record.

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2/9/2011  10:54 PM
CrushAlot wrote:
GustavBahler wrote:I want to see what kind of a job D'Antoni does in the playoffs, if they make it. If the Knicks can't get there in this division, then three years is enough. Never thought he should be fired in the first two seasons with that roster even though I thought he didn't do such a great job, the roster plain sucked. There is enough talent to at least make the playoffs this season so I wouldn't have a problem with letting him go if they don't make it.
He messed up pretty bad last year not playing Hill and Douglas. I think he could have handled things a bit better with Nate and Darko. Both of those guys were talents that Walsh wanted on the team. If you are a great coach you make things work with them like their new coaches are. I think Randolph will be the next asset devaluled by D'Antoni to be moved because he doesn't want to deal with guys that need leadership and teaching from the coach. In addition to being a franchise player, Amare filled the leadership void that was lacking with this coach.

To be honest I kind of liked the nate benching, even though it was probably counter productive. Nate could not control himself. What bothered me the most was letting Q start all those games and the minutes that went to Malik Rose, locker room guys who left their game in the locker room.

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2/9/2011  11:01 PM
BRIGGS wrote:The coach lets too much undisciplined play go on at both ends and relies on that 3 way too much. This team has lost desire and only plays hard in spurts. Fire the coach.

I agree with everything you say up to "fire the coach" lol I don't know if you can justify firing him but you are dead on with everything else

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2/9/2011  11:03 PM
i would just like to see this team not be so cot dayam reliant on taking & making so many 3 balls... i've seen this team play good ball movement uptempo style ball at times this season, that's what i wanna see this team do, not take 25+ 3 pointers every freakin game & miss 20 of them... that's not my vision of winning style basketball... forget about expecting an MDA team play good defense on a consistent basis, it's not gonna happen... u mine as well expect Larry Brown or Jeff Van Gundy teams to start playing SSOL.
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2/9/2011  11:04 PM
Elite wrote:
BRIGGS wrote:The coach lets too much undisciplined play go on at both ends and relies on that 3 way too much. This team has lost desire and only plays hard in spurts. Fire the coach.

I agree with everything you say up to "fire the coach" lol I don't know if you can justify firing him but you are dead on with everything else


Who knows how much of this is the usual trade distraction due to all the rumors. I know Chandler hasn't been close to the same guy. Felton has been off for a good while too. It's the ups and downs of a season for a team that is young and still learning how to play winning ball. You can't expect consistency from teams like that.
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2/9/2011  11:08 PM
GustavBahler wrote:
JrZyHuStLa wrote:
GustavBahler wrote:I want to see what kind of a job D'Antoni does in the playoffs, if they make it. If the Knicks can't get there in this division, then three years is enough. Never thought he should be fired in the first two seasons with that roster even though I thought he didn't do such a great job, the roster plain sucked. There is enough talent to at least make the playoffs this season so I wouldn't have a problem with letting him go if they don't make it.

His coaching future shouldn't be determined by whether or not he makes the playoffs. Any Amare Stoudemire team can make the playoffs. But with the way things are going, we're looking at a first round exit.

If that's true that any Amare team should make the playoffs and they don't then who is to blame?

You can blame anyone you want but the coach is always the one that gets put on the hot seat.

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2/9/2011  11:09 PM
nixluva wrote:
CrushAlot wrote:
GustavBahler wrote:I want to see what kind of a job D'Antoni does in the playoffs, if they make it. If the Knicks can't get there in this division, then three years is enough. Never thought he should be fired in the first two seasons with that roster even though I thought he didn't do such a great job, the roster plain sucked. There is enough talent to at least make the playoffs this season so I wouldn't have a problem with letting him go if they don't make it.
He messed up pretty bad last year not playing Hill and Douglas. I think he could have handled things a bit better with Nate and Darko. Both of those guys were talents that Walsh wanted on the team. If you are a great coach you make things work with them like their new coaches are. I think Randolph will be the next asset devaluled by D'Antoni to be moved because he doesn't want to deal with guys that need leadership and teaching from the coach. In addition to being a franchise player, Amare filled the leadership void that was lacking with this coach.

Again with this crap. How do you really ignore the fact that Fields and now Timo are playing well? We picked up Williams off the scrap heap and he's been productive. Gallo has gotten better even tho he's not all the way there as a player yet. despite the complaining TD has for the most part been a productive player and played most of the year hurt. My point is that he's had some success in getting young players to improve and find a niche. who cares about Nate, Darko and Hill? Those guys aren't gonna help us win a title and i'm glad they're gone.

IMO this team is still gonna end up close to what most expected of the team. I do think they can end up above .500 and be in the playoffs. That was the goal for this year. If we make a trade to improve the roster even better. I see a lot of winnable games in the final 31. We still have a good shot to end up with a decent record.


Its not crap its all facts and happened last year. If Hill and a Knicks pick are moved for Melo I will be more than pissed. I love Fields and have been impressed since the summer league when he appeared ready from day 1 to be an nba player. I think Walsh made a point of drafting 4 year guys this year versus potential because he knew his coach. Williams is in his fourth or fith year and was the 17th pick in the draft. I know he is one of Amare's best friends and I think the combination of William's talent and Amare's mentoring has been the major reason for his transformation. Gallinari's development has occured totally on D'Antoni's watch and he deserves credit for playing him. Moz is not a finished project and is a 24 year old. I like him but I wish Randolph would get some of the attention and focus that Moz seems to get from the coaching staff.
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2/9/2011  11:10 PM
mda has made some mistakes but this isn't entirely his fault. chicago has a better point differential because they flat out have better talent.

if he stops with his infatuation with mozgov and plays chandler or god forbid randolph then we might get back on track. felton playing better wouldn't hurt.

there are going to be stretches during the season, especially with a team that was expected to play .500 ball, where it's going to look rough. we've had 2 really bad 10 game stretches and this one came at the end of 2 really tough stretches in a month and a half.

we're still over .500, by all intents and purposes barring a really bad collapse then we're locked into a 6 seed. this is with or without melo. mda is having a successful season so far.

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2/9/2011  11:13 PM
JrZyHuStLa wrote:
GustavBahler wrote:
JrZyHuStLa wrote:
GustavBahler wrote:I want to see what kind of a job D'Antoni does in the playoffs, if they make it. If the Knicks can't get there in this division, then three years is enough. Never thought he should be fired in the first two seasons with that roster even though I thought he didn't do such a great job, the roster plain sucked. There is enough talent to at least make the playoffs this season so I wouldn't have a problem with letting him go if they don't make it.

His coaching future shouldn't be determined by whether or not he makes the playoffs. Any Amare Stoudemire team can make the playoffs. But with the way things are going, we're looking at a first round exit.

If that's true that any Amare team should make the playoffs and they don't then who is to blame?

You can blame anyone you want but the coach is always the one that gets put on the hot seat.

....and should be if there is enough talent on the roster, which was my point.

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2/9/2011  11:16 PM
FistOfOakley wrote:mda has made some mistakes but this isn't entirely his fault. chicago has a better point differential because they flat out have better talent.

if he stops with his infatuation with mozgov and plays chandler or god forbid randolph then we might get back on track. felton playing better wouldn't hurt.

there are going to be stretches during the season, especially with a team that was expected to play .500 ball, where it's going to look rough. we've had 2 really bad 10 game stretches and this one came at the end of 2 really tough stretches in a month and a half.

we're still over .500, by all intents and purposes barring a really bad collapse then we're locked into a 6 seed. this is with or without melo. mda is having a successful season so far.

The Knicks have lost 16 of their last 26. I think that is at least a reason to be concerned that things have taken a downward turn.
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2/9/2011  11:16 PM
I'm not ready to get rid of the coach.

Before the season I figured it was a 40 win team. So, it's hard for me to blame the coach because they had a good run against weak teams and it raised expectations.

I would like to see the team be more defensive minded but overall the team is at or ahead of where I expected them to be.

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2/9/2011  11:18 PM
FistOfOakley wrote:mda has made some mistakes but this isn't entirely his fault. chicago has a better point differential because they flat out have better talent.

if he stops with his infatuation with mozgov and plays chandler or god forbid randolph then we might get back on track. felton playing better wouldn't hurt.

there are going to be stretches during the season, especially with a team that was expected to play .500 ball, where it's going to look rough. we've had 2 really bad 10 game stretches and this one came at the end of 2 really tough stretches in a month and a half.

we're still over .500, by all intents and purposes barring a really bad collapse then we're locked into a 6 seed. this is with or without melo. mda is having a successful season so far.

Repeat after me: Mozgov is not the problem. Mozgov is not the problem. Mozgov is not the problem.

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2/9/2011  11:29 PM
Childs2Dudley wrote:
FistOfOakley wrote:mda has made some mistakes but this isn't entirely his fault. chicago has a better point differential because they flat out have better talent.

if he stops with his infatuation with mozgov and plays chandler or god forbid randolph then we might get back on track. felton playing better wouldn't hurt.

there are going to be stretches during the season, especially with a team that was expected to play .500 ball, where it's going to look rough. we've had 2 really bad 10 game stretches and this one came at the end of 2 really tough stretches in a month and a half.

we're still over .500, by all intents and purposes barring a really bad collapse then we're locked into a 6 seed. this is with or without melo. mda is having a successful season so far.

Repeat after me: Mozgov is not the problem. Mozgov is not the problem. Mozgov is not the problem.

Yea, I don't see Mozgov as the problem, or Randolph as the solution. I will say for being all about energy, I don't understand why the rotation is so tight. I saw some basic mistakes in help defense the two quarters I watched.

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2/9/2011  11:42 PM
we need to keep firing coaches until we have hired them all!

Is this a team really underachieving? What were the expectations?

I thought most were in for 37-47 wins?

What don't .500% do most not understand?

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2/9/2011  11:42 PM
OldFan wrote:I'm not ready to get rid of the coach.

Before the season I figured it was a 40 win team. So, it's hard for me to blame the coach because they had a good run against weak teams and it raised expectations.

I would like to see the team be more defensive minded but overall the team is at or ahead of where I expected them to be.

But losing to the clippers at home when they are on the 2nd of back to backs, long road trip? That isn't raised expectations. This is a game a 40 win team has to win, unless they want to be a 36 win team.

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2/9/2011  11:47 PM
Nalod wrote:we need to keep firing coaches until we have hired them all!

Is this a team really underachieving? What were the expectations?

I thought most were in for 37-47 wins?

What don't .500% do most not understand?

Usually 41 win teams do not have a 13-1 stretch. You only have to go 28-40 to achieve .500. At this point--the odds are moving the other way that we will be .500.

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2/9/2011  11:52 PM
BRIGGS wrote:
Nalod wrote:we need to keep firing coaches until we have hired them all!

Is this a team really underachieving? What were the expectations?

I thought most were in for 37-47 wins?

What don't .500% do most not understand?

Usually 41 win teams do not have a 13-1 stretch. You only have to go 28-40 to achieve .500. At this point--the odds are moving the other way that we will be .500.

I also think that this is D'Antoni's third year in NY. I know there were some trades his first year that disrupted things but I think he needs to be judged on all three of his years in NY. There were a lot of red flags that came up his first two years and this year hasn't been so successful that those things should be forgotten.
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2/9/2011  11:55 PM
This team is on the cusp of a big trade.

Its a team that is coming together at times but is looking over their shoulders about a trade. these guys are young and the only team they know has been knicks.

They should be playing better. Defense looks awful.

We beat Miami. season is good.

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