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2/10/2011  7:49 AM
This really isn't surprising and if I were running Denver, I'd be in no hurry to trade him. Signing him to an extension this year and either keeping him or trading him in the off-season to any of the other 29 teams would make so much more sense. Denver would have to be idiots to take a low offer now for him.
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2/10/2011  8:04 AM
Donnie's message to Melo: Be Great, come to NY

http://www.nypost.com/p/sports/knicks/as_anthony_mulls_denver_stay_walsh_AhB6kyHA5qoOinW1o0bgWO

As Anthony mulls Denver stay, Walsh says great players love N.Y.

By MARC BERMAN

Last Updated: 2:55 AM, February 10, 2011

Knicks president Donnie Walsh, seemingly in response to Carmelo Anthony's remark he still would consider signing an extension in Denver, said he believes star players should want to play in New York, and Amar'e Stoudemire is living proof.

Walsh seemed to be sending Melo a message: New York is a helluva better spot than the Rocky Mountains.

"I know my own feeling," Walsh said at the Garden before the Knicks got blasted by the Clippers last night, 116-108. "I feel great players should really want to play here. It's a great place for good baskeball players, particularly right now. And I'm not thinking of any particular player."

Yeah, right. In intriguing remarks, Anthony said yesterday he would "take a real hard look" at the Nuggets' three-year, $65 million contract extension that's gathered dust since summer. Anthony hadn't aired that sentiment publicly in a while and never that strongly. He could be trying to scare the Knicks to up their offer and not wait until July, more posturing. The Knicks have the cap space to sign Anthony this summer.

Anthony would have until June 30 to sign the extension with Denver with knowledge of how the playoff run went.

Walsh used Stoudemire as an example of a star player becoming even bigger under the Broadway glare. It's been widely reported Anthony wants to be a Knick, though his celebrity wife LaLa Vazquez has pushed the move.

"He has [proven that], the way he's received by the city, the fans," Walsh said of Stoudemire. "He seems to be engaging the whole city. He seems to be enjoying it during the game. They're really supportive of everything he does. If you look at and see what's happened with Amar'e, any other person would look and say, wow. Which I'm sure they are."

The three-team deal discussed between the Knicks, Denver and Minnesota is on hold, with little progression, according to multiple sources.

The Denver Post reported yesterday there is a better than average chance the Nuggets don't trade Anthony, try for a title and see if they can do a sign-and-trade in July.

The Nuggets are trying to get other clubs involved -- not thrilled with obtaining just Wilson Chandler, a first-round pick, and cap space provided by Minnesota's Corey Brewer's expiring pact. It's a sweetheart deal for the Knicks, who would lose Chandler, Anthony Randolph and possibly rookie Andy Rautins. They also would give up the expiring contract of Eddy Curry and possibly Kelenna Azbuike, neither of whom have played.

Walsh said he would be fine if a deal cannot be reached by the Feb. 24 deadline, because of the young nucleus and cap space for 2011 and 2012.

"I'm never disappointed," Walsh said. "I don't raise my own expectations. I like what we have now. I know we can build into a team. I like the players we have. I'm not saying we're a great team. But we have the core of guys to go forward that could be part of a very good team. The fact we could do something right now is because we have the ability to do that because our cap is lower."

The Lakers emerged this week as a Carmelo contender, though if they are not willing to deal Andrew Bynum, a deal looks bleak. It still created a frenzy in La-La Land. One source told The Post the big headlines on the Knicks' three-team deal with Denver and Minnesota was designed by Denver to "flush out interest from other teams to make it seem something was close."

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2/10/2011  8:08 AM
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FistOfOakley wrote:i'm pretty sure that dolan is driving this whole melo thing. looking at the history of comments i don't think walsh even wants melo.

DW definitely wants Melo, otherwise he wouldn't have preserved the cap space to go after him after last summer... he just doesn't want to gut the team to get him.

Was just listening to the conversation on 1050 about Melo... They discussed LA, him staying and then NY.

We're not getting Melo for AR, Currys expiring and Chandler; it's simply not enough and I'm starting to agree.

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2/10/2011  8:10 AM
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TMS wrote:Melo wants a trade to go down before the deadline, it's pretty obvious he's pushing for the Knicks to make the move to trade for him.

Well games like tonight should make it more possible that the Knicks push even harder to make it happen. I think Walsh is gonna have very little patience if this team doesn't win the next game. Then we'll have to make darned sure not to fall below .500. It's just a borderline that I think this franchise doesn't want to tip toe around.

Actually, games like last night should give us all pause about adding Carmelo since it exposes, I think, we have a lot more wholes and warts than previously thought.

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2/10/2011  8:21 AM
franco12 wrote:
nixluva wrote:
TMS wrote:Melo wants a trade to go down before the deadline, it's pretty obvious he's pushing for the Knicks to make the move to trade for him.

Well games like tonight should make it more possible that the Knicks push even harder to make it happen. I think Walsh is gonna have very little patience if this team doesn't win the next game. Then we'll have to make darned sure not to fall below .500. It's just a borderline that I think this franchise doesn't want to tip toe around.

Actually, games like last night should give us all pause about adding Carmelo since it exposes, I think, we have a lot more wholes and warts than previously thought.

Games like last night, highlight a few things for me.

This team plays terrible defense.

The team is Amare and 7 role players. Not bad role players, hell some of them put up nice averages. But they're far too up and down, in order for us to be a steady threat.

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2/10/2011  8:22 AM
gr33d wrote:
TMS wrote:
FistOfOakley wrote:i'm pretty sure that dolan is driving this whole melo thing. looking at the history of comments i don't think walsh even wants melo.

DW definitely wants Melo, otherwise he wouldn't have preserved the cap space to go after him after last summer... he just doesn't want to gut the team to get him.

Was just listening to the conversation on 1050 about Melo... They discussed LA, him staying and then NY.

We're not getting Melo for AR, Currys expiring and Chandler; it's simply not enough and I'm starting to agree.

seems to me the sticking point for DW is not wanting to give up Fields or Gallo in a Melo trade... personally i think that Wilson, AR & Curry package along with a 1st round pick will end up being the general framework of a deal if it goes down... maybe we end up adding some minor pieces like Bill Walker, cash considerations or 2nd round picks... maybe DW buys a pick from another team to add to the deal, he did say he thought he could get multiple 1st rounders if he had to a few weeks ago... from Melo's standpoint he might be thinking "you gotta be kidding me, you're hedging on trading for me because you're too scared to give up Landry Fields or Gallinari?"... who knows what's going on behind the scenes, maybe DEN doesn't even want any of our players they're just putting this stuff out there to get other teams to get involved... it's anyone's guess at this point.

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2/10/2011  8:25 AM
I don't think these jokers in Denver know what the heck they're doing.
WE AIN'T NOWHERE WITH THIS BUM CHOKER IN CARMELO. GIVE ME STARKS'S 2-21 ANY DAY OVER THIS LACKLUSTER CLUSTEREFF.
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2/10/2011  8:28 AM
gr33d wrote:
franco12 wrote:
nixluva wrote:
TMS wrote:Melo wants a trade to go down before the deadline, it's pretty obvious he's pushing for the Knicks to make the move to trade for him.

Well games like tonight should make it more possible that the Knicks push even harder to make it happen. I think Walsh is gonna have very little patience if this team doesn't win the next game. Then we'll have to make darned sure not to fall below .500. It's just a borderline that I think this franchise doesn't want to tip toe around.

Actually, games like last night should give us all pause about adding Carmelo since it exposes, I think, we have a lot more wholes and warts than previously thought.

Games like last night, highlight a few things for me.

This team plays terrible defense.

The team is Amare and 7 role players. Not bad role players, hell some of them put up nice averages. But they're far too up and down, in order for us to be a steady threat.

couldn't agree more gr33d... i don't expect us ever to be a strong defensive squad as long as we're running SSOL... i think our best bet to be successful w/this coach is by overloading the opposition with offensive threats & creating tough matchups in our favor... Melo won't be the cure all for all our issues, but he'll be a major help w/the consistent offense he would bring every night... guys like Wilson & Gallo are just too up & down to be relied upon to carry the load when Amare's not at his absolute best, & Felton makes some bad decisions when he tries to take on that mantle himself... this team clearly needs another star scoring presence to take the next step towards being a legitimate contender.

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2/10/2011  8:37 AM
One thing that I have noticed in the UK forums. I will clean up in poker against most in this site. People are just too impatient and way too emotional to make the right move.
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2/10/2011  8:39 AM
TMS wrote:
gr33d wrote:
TMS wrote:
FistOfOakley wrote:i'm pretty sure that dolan is driving this whole melo thing. looking at the history of comments i don't think walsh even wants melo.

DW definitely wants Melo, otherwise he wouldn't have preserved the cap space to go after him after last summer... he just doesn't want to gut the team to get him.

Was just listening to the conversation on 1050 about Melo... They discussed LA, him staying and then NY.

We're not getting Melo for AR, Currys expiring and Chandler; it's simply not enough and I'm starting to agree.

seems to me the sticking point for DW is not wanting to give up Fields or Gallo in a Melo trade... personally i think that Wilson, AR & Curry package along with a 1st round pick will end up being the general framework of a deal if it goes down... maybe we end up adding some minor pieces like Bill Walker, cash considerations or 2nd round picks... maybe DW buys a pick from another team to add to the deal, he did say he thought he could get multiple 1st rounders if he had to a few weeks ago... from Melo's standpoint he might be thinking "you gotta be kidding me, you're hedging on trading for me because you're too scared to give up Landry Fields or Gallinari?"... who knows what's going on behind the scenes, maybe DEN doesn't even want any of our players they're just putting this stuff out there to get other teams to get involved... it's anyone's guess at this point.

I think he is probably thinking the same thing, and I'm not sure he cares as much about winning a championship as he does about getting paid and coming to NY.

Maybe Carmelo is going to make Lebron look good - at least he was willing to sacrifice.

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2/10/2011  8:40 AM
Melo was not going to help interior defense last nite.

Media and fans running out of patience.

Its seems many treating this team like a perennial playoff contender who is faltering and needs an injection.

Maybe you can't rebuild cause once NY sniff some kind of success it loses its mind. We all crave a championship but its not that easy. Melo does not put us over the top.

And If melo was playing a card game he just might have blown it.

He has to publically say he is not resigning and Denver should trade him or be left with nothing. And that won't be his fault as he has been very upfront about this with him and the fans. If he is so worried what Denver fans think of him then he should stay.

I don't understand unless many things are happening outside the public realm and thats entirely possible.

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2/10/2011  8:40 AM
NYKBocker wrote:One thing that I have noticed in the UK forums. I will clean up in poker against most in this site. People are just too impatient and way too emotional to make the right move.

don't even try it... any chick with cleavage would have u going all in with pocket 2-7

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2/10/2011  8:42 AM
TMS wrote:
NYKBocker wrote:One thing that I have noticed in the UK forums. I will clean up in poker against most in this site. People are just too impatient and way too emotional to make the right move.

don't even try it... any chick with cleavage would have u going all in with pocket 2-7

That is why I said most. I would probably lose to Bitty.

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2/10/2011  8:49 AM
franco12 wrote:
TMS wrote:
gr33d wrote:
TMS wrote:
FistOfOakley wrote:i'm pretty sure that dolan is driving this whole melo thing. looking at the history of comments i don't think walsh even wants melo.

DW definitely wants Melo, otherwise he wouldn't have preserved the cap space to go after him after last summer... he just doesn't want to gut the team to get him.

Was just listening to the conversation on 1050 about Melo... They discussed LA, him staying and then NY.

We're not getting Melo for AR, Currys expiring and Chandler; it's simply not enough and I'm starting to agree.

seems to me the sticking point for DW is not wanting to give up Fields or Gallo in a Melo trade... personally i think that Wilson, AR & Curry package along with a 1st round pick will end up being the general framework of a deal if it goes down... maybe we end up adding some minor pieces like Bill Walker, cash considerations or 2nd round picks... maybe DW buys a pick from another team to add to the deal, he did say he thought he could get multiple 1st rounders if he had to a few weeks ago... from Melo's standpoint he might be thinking "you gotta be kidding me, you're hedging on trading for me because you're too scared to give up Landry Fields or Gallinari?"... who knows what's going on behind the scenes, maybe DEN doesn't even want any of our players they're just putting this stuff out there to get other teams to get involved... it's anyone's guess at this point.

I think he is probably thinking the same thing, and I'm not sure he cares as much about winning a championship as he does about getting paid and coming to NY.

Maybe Carmelo is going to make Lebron look good - at least he was willing to sacrifice.

i think Melo has played this all on the up & up & hasn't tried to mislead any teams into thinking he'd be willing to play for them... that puts him way above how Lebron handled his ass kissing fest... can't fault a guy for wanting to get paid especially in this situation with a lockout & new CBA looming this summer.

i also think he cares a lot about winning a championship otherwise he would have been open to going to New Jersey to begin with... put urself in his shoes, u've done everything u possibly could do w/o openly saying to the media that it's NY or nothing, & yet the Knicks are hedging on trading for you because they're scared to give up a role player... as a superstar player who's putting it out there that you want no other team but NY, does that make you feel that NY wants u as badly as you want them? what if he already knows that CP3 wants to follow him to NY next summer? there could be all kinds of stuff going on that none of us know about... i think Melo's made it obvious that he wants to be a Knick maybe he just wants to feel like the Knicks really want him too?

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2/10/2011  8:55 AM
I actually think Melo has played his part to perfection. He is trying not to alienate the denver fans and has said all the right things for others. People want him to declare his stance but that is not the right thing to do. At the end of the day, you just don't want to be LeDouche 2.0
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2/10/2011  8:58 AM    LAST EDITED: 2/10/2011  9:15 AM
Nalod wrote:Melo was not going to help interior defense last nite.

Media and fans running out of patience.

Its seems many treating this team like a perennial playoff contender who is faltering and needs an injection.

Maybe you can't rebuild cause once NY sniff some kind of success it loses its mind. We all crave a championship but its not that easy. Melo does not put us over the top.

enough already with the same old you can't rebuild in NY stuff we've been hearing it for the past 5 years already... Knick fans have been ridiculously patient, have stuck by their team & keep selling out the Garden even after years of dealing with Scott Layden & Isiah's bullcrap & empty promises... DW has been talking about the plan for 2010 ever since he got here, the entire premise to clearing cap space the past 2 years has been to get to this point where we could target 2 superstars to form the nucleus for a championship contending team... if DW had gone by your anti-starphuching line of thinking we'd still have David Lee playing C & Amare would be playing someplace else.

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2/10/2011  9:00 AM
NYKBocker wrote:I actually think Melo has played his part to perfection. He is trying not to alienate the denver fans and has said all the right things for others. People want him to declare his stance but that is not the right thing to do. At the end of the day, you just don't want to be LeDouche 2.0

i agree... he's not stupid he's not gonna tell his fans in Denver he doesn't want to play there anymore outright while he's still on the team... what possible good does that do him? he's done everything possible to send the message that he wants to be a Knick without coming out & saying it directly... what more does anyone expect him to do at this point?

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2/10/2011  9:07 AM
Melo wants out of Denver. and i'm hoping the knicks can read through the lines with this BS.
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2/10/2011  9:39 AM
TMS wrote:
Nalod wrote:Melo was not going to help interior defense last nite.

Media and fans running out of patience.

Its seems many treating this team like a perennial playoff contender who is faltering and needs an injection.

Maybe you can't rebuild cause once NY sniff some kind of success it loses its mind. We all crave a championship but its not that easy. Melo does not put us over the top.

enough already with the same old you can't rebuild in NY stuff we've been hearing it for the past 5 years already... Knick fans have been ridiculously patient, have stuck by their team & keep selling out the Garden even after years of dealing with Scott Layden & Isiah's bullcrap & empty promises... DW has been talking about the plan for 2010 ever since he got here, the entire premise to clearing cap space the past 2 years has been to get to this point where we could target 2 superstars to form the nucleus for a championship contending team... if DW had gone by your anti-starphuching line of thinking we'd still have David Lee playing C & Amare would be playing someplace else.

Thats your interpretation of the "Plan".

and basically you have to jump on jump on it NOW is what your saying.

If no 13-1 run the bar would be lower. On that streak the team was extrapolating towards a top 4 finish in the east by most fans will little concern about schedule or ebb and flow. Now we are on a reverse course sinking lower and lower.

Fans can't handle the big picture.

Example now everyone is bitching because Gallo is not bombing away like he used to but we used to complain about him not driving. Now everyone is bitching about his "midrange". Its either too long, now too short and now he needs another tool! Jeez, can we just label the 22 year old a work in progress?

Uesed to be MDA don't develope yoots, now we have and we want to trade them for a "Savior" who is a great player but does not address our real needs.

MDA does not have faith in yoots but he starts two rookies.

MDA does not play defense? Last year we didn't have shot blockers. This year we lead the league.

MDA don't have rebounders? Throw in fields with Chandler and your losing rebounds even with Melo.

MDA does not develop yoot. 26 year old Felton looks like Nash on some nites. Progress is "SOME". Fulfillment is all the time. This team has yet to fulfill. You don't add 10 new players and do it in half a season. Our run early took teams by suprise and they have adjusted.

This team has done a great job this year.

Nobody knew what Plan B was going to be and Im sure if we look back over what a "Disaster" not getting Lebron was to see what progress we in fact made is overall pretty impressive.

nobody says starphuchng does not work. Boston is a starphuch as is Miami. Boston has yielded on championship and Miami situation was a freak of collusion.

I don't let the media sway my thinking and the writing after lasts nites game was pure crap.

Overpay against yourself for Melo and you cost yourself a championship. Perhaps that is really Dolans goal anyway. To just keep it relevant and profitable. Thats what the 1990's were about in my opinion.

We don't need melo, we need another big, a shooting guard and a backup point. You may "want" melo but thats different.

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2/10/2011  9:43 AM
I'm just tired already of all this.

I wish the team would play well but I think they are showing signs of being tired of all this too.

The sooner it stops the better - DW should take a play out of the Nets book and say enough already. You keep him!!!

At that point hopefully the Knicks make the playoffs and get Nene or Tyson Chandler a shooter and a back-up point in the summer!

Don't lock this out. Carmelo is now saying that he'll consider signing a contract extension with the Nuggets. screwed again

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