nixluva wrote:

TMS wrote:

OldFan wrote:

TMS wrote:i think Ray's shot attempts are elevated by this system & pace we play at... if u look at his stats over his career he's consistently averaged 10-13 shot attempts per game every year before he got to the Knicks... Derrick Rose takes 20 shots per game & he's not even playing in SSOL, i doubt anyone would be complaining if we had a shoot first PG like him running this team... CP3 who everyone considers a pass first PG has had back to back seasons averaging 16 shot attempts a game in his career... u have to see when & how the PG is taking his shot attempts to truly judge if he's doing more harm than good... last night Felton was the only guy who's offensive game was clicking late i think a good PG knows who to get the ball to if someone's hot that particular night... last night it just happened to be Ray in the 2nd half.

He's taking more shots then more effective scorers. So he's not consistently getting the ball to the hot hand. Again I do think he's a good PG. I'm just hoping for a small adjustment in his game.

who would u prefer taking those shot attempts instead? Wilson who's currently in a slump of his own & nursing a calf injury? Gallo who's shooting the same % as Felton is from the field? should he force the ball inside to Amare when he's being double & triple teamed down low?

This is why good teams need more than one All Star! You add Melo to this mix and all of a sudden teams find it a lot harder to focus on Amar'e and vice versa. It's not rocket science! Felton is good enough if you have a true 2nd All Star. Just ask Rondo how it helps him.

i've been saying that for months... if u add Melo to this mix Ray won't feel compelled to take as many shots either... Gallo takes to the support role he's comfortable in & MDA has another weapon to play with in his scheme... forcing teams to gameplan to stop Melo & Amare at the same time when u have Ray & Gallo on the perimeter makes the Knicks a very dangerous basketball team.

TMS wrote:

OldFan wrote:

TMS wrote:i think Ray's shot attempts are elevated by this system & pace we play at... if u look at his stats over his career he's consistently averaged 10-13 shot attempts per game every year before he got to the Knicks... Derrick Rose takes 20 shots per game & he's not even playing in SSOL, i doubt anyone would be complaining if we had a shoot first PG like him running this team... CP3 who everyone considers a pass first PG has had back to back seasons averaging 16 shot attempts a game in his career... u have to see when & how the PG is taking his shot attempts to truly judge if he's doing more harm than good... last night Felton was the only guy who's offensive game was clicking late i think a good PG knows who to get the ball to if someone's hot that particular night... last night it just happened to be Ray in the 2nd half.

He's taking more shots then more effective scorers. So he's not consistently getting the ball to the hot hand. Again I do think he's a good PG. I'm just hoping for a small adjustment in his game.

who would u prefer taking those shot attempts instead? Wilson who's currently in a slump of his own & nursing a calf injury? Gallo who's shooting the same % as Felton is from the field? should he force the ball inside to Amare when he's being double & triple teamed down low?

If Amare is triple teamed down low then someone must be open. Gallo is a much more efficient scorer then Felton so yes he should be getting the ball to him more.

Don't know if you noticed but Felton has been slumping also. He shot 37% in January. Chandler who was also slumping shot 42%. And Felton isn't taking shots late in the shot clock bailing out the team when no one else is getting open. He takes a lot of shots early in the clock and quite a few where no one else has even touched the ball.

He ain't Rose and shouldn't try to be. He's a solid PG but he'd be better if he shot less.

I would like to see Felton shoot a bit less and distribute more but MDA has taken the ball out of his hands a bit as he struggled with that early in the year. He just doesnt have the elite court vision. Good but not elite.

And its still less than 50 games. Remember Ewing, Kurt, LJ, Spree, Houston, Childs, Camby and Ward needed 50 games (they were barely .500) to get adjusted to each other. Its going to take some time.

Felton does some thing SO WELL that we just need to be patient. He's clutch at the line late in games, he's GREAT at finishing and attacking the basket in fast break chances, he's a GREAT defender and he's a great teammate. Leads by example... Felton's game has holes but he brings a ton of great things. And for 2-3 years and $7mm I LOVE his value.

TMS wrote:

nixluva wrote:

TMS wrote:

OldFan wrote:

TMS wrote:i think Ray's shot attempts are elevated by this system & pace we play at... if u look at his stats over his career he's consistently averaged 10-13 shot attempts per game every year before he got to the Knicks... Derrick Rose takes 20 shots per game & he's not even playing in SSOL, i doubt anyone would be complaining if we had a shoot first PG like him running this team... CP3 who everyone considers a pass first PG has had back to back seasons averaging 16 shot attempts a game in his career... u have to see when & how the PG is taking his shot attempts to truly judge if he's doing more harm than good... last night Felton was the only guy who's offensive game was clicking late i think a good PG knows who to get the ball to if someone's hot that particular night... last night it just happened to be Ray in the 2nd half.

He's taking more shots then more effective scorers. So he's not consistently getting the ball to the hot hand. Again I do think he's a good PG. I'm just hoping for a small adjustment in his game.

who would u prefer taking those shot attempts instead? Wilson who's currently in a slump of his own & nursing a calf injury? Gallo who's shooting the same % as Felton is from the field? should he force the ball inside to Amare when he's being double & triple teamed down low?

This is why good teams need more than one All Star! You add Melo to this mix and all of a sudden teams find it a lot harder to focus on Amar'e and vice versa. It's not rocket science! Felton is good enough if you have a true 2nd All Star. Just ask Rondo how it helps him.

i've been saying that for months... if u add Melo to this mix Ray won't feel compelled to take as many shots either... Gallo takes to the support role he's comfortable in & MDA has another weapon to play with in his scheme... forcing teams to gameplan to stop Melo & Amare at the same time when u have Ray & Gallo on the perimeter makes the Knicks a very dangerous basketball team.

yep. You add Melo to the mix and suddenly Felton becomes a world class distributor. Funny how having consistently open, legit targets makes you look world class, instead of dealing with the ups and downs of young players. What's Felton get with Melo in the mix? 10 APG? 11?

TMS wrote:

CashMoney wrote:13 points and 13 assists today.....yeah he's a problem.

3 steals & +16 on the floor w/EXCELLENT defense on Meeks... he's a bum

quick, what's Frank Williams' agent's number?

GustavBahler wrote:The line that struck me from that blog questioned whether Felton and Douglas had the right to out shoot the rest of the team considering they're PGs and their lousy shooting pct. Some of it is lousy shooting all around, but I'll bet they would have better luck trying to set up their teammates more often, beats watching one bad shot after another.

My concern is the half-hearted attempts at generating offense. There's little to no ball movement or penetration. It seems that the major concern is where their shots are coming from. If we are in the last7-8 seconds and a shot has to be gotten off, then so be it. But this come down and heave a shot without setting up or creating offense for the rest o the team.

TMS wrote:

martin wrote:

TMS wrote:

SupremeCommander wrote:

TMS wrote:

CashMoney wrote:13 points and 13 assists today.....yeah he's a problem.

3 steals & +16 on the floor w/EXCELLENT defense on Meeks... he's a bum

quick, what's Frank Williams' agent's number?

shoulda had 14 assists if not for Mozgov muffing that last alley oop pass

hard to muff it went the ball goes off the rim. It was a bad pass.

dude, a lot of alley oop passes will hit rim if the guy being passed to doesn't even attempt to go for it... Moz hesitated on that play it was clearly an alley oop pass from Felton that would have been converted if Mozgov didn't let it hit rim.

it hit side of rim, backboard, same side of rim, and ball was like 50/50 on rim on both bounces. Moz touches ball and it's goal-tending. That's how bad a alley oop pass it was. It was just off target is all.

SupremeCommander wrote:

Paladin55 wrote:When things get tough he tries to put the load on his own shoulders instead of setting people up in positions where they are more likely than not to succeed.

Who takes those shots? Shawne Williams?

You try to get the ball to the man with the best chance to convert- Could be anyone with a hot hand or open shot, including himself. I like his midrange pull-up game- but would not want him taking some of those floaters or too many 3pt shots.

You always look at the percentages, and right now, for the most part, his shooting success has declined.

Maybe playing fewer minutes would help, but for this we need a better backup PG.

OldFan wrote:Didn't see the game to today. From the stats looks like Felton had a good game.

To be clear this thread was not started by me as a Felton s*&ks thread. I think he's got a nice game and he's a leader with a lot of heart.

My only concern is he sometimes tries to be too much of a scorer. I'm not looking to replace him. I'm just hoping he makes a slight adjustment in his game.