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The Knicks are 12-23 if you take out their 13-1 run
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PresIke
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2/5/2011  2:14 PM    LAST EDITED: 2/5/2011  2:15 PM
this is one of the most poor uses of stats i've ever seen posted on this forum to try and paint a picture that is convenient to a posters point of view.

anyone can pick and choose runs to show a record is bad or good.

ridiculous...

meanwhile, this team is just not that good. we are around .500 which MANY of us stated was a likely place for this team going into the season.

some folks' expectations for this team have been too high for a while now, and is also why i, like others, have been a strong advocate of a melo deal from the start of the season.

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TMS
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2/5/2011  3:06 PM
crzymdups wrote:pretty sure buike is being held out until the trade deadline since his contract is insured if he doesn't play and expiring.

i don't know about depth - they have no backup point guard. i really thought they should have signed jason williams. i agree if you're saying AR should be playing. i think that is MDA's biggest mistake in his entire tenure here.

the deadline already passed for Buike's contract to be covered by insurance... there's no reason to be holding him out of play for that reason anymore.

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2/5/2011  3:14 PM
PresIke wrote:some folks' expectations for this team have been too high for a while now, and is also why i, like others, have been a strong advocate of a melo deal from the start of the season.

u mean we're not a backup C & PG away from winning a championship?

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2/5/2011  3:41 PM
franco12 wrote:
rvwink wrote:"i agree if you're saying AR should be playing. i think that is MDA's biggest mistake in his entire tenure here."

MDA has a system that his players must follow. Because basketball is a team sport. playing Mike's system is not optional. Every Knick player must maintain proper spacing on the floor, pass unselfishly, and only shoot open shots that are "high percentage" for the shooter.

If you guys actually think that MDA should have played AR despite the fact that he shot low percentage shots, and didn't know where to stand on the floor, and in general didn't embrace Mike's system, then "I think" the two of you are way off base. Having everyone play Mike's system gives the team a better chance to win. Mike's job is to win as many basketball games as possible. Playing Randolph who is shooting .280 for example, would not have given the Knicks the best chance to win.

Can't you understand that Mike can't afford to let one player play game minutes who hasn't learned the system properly. In life, first you get an education and then you get a job. Randolph, for whatever reason, hasn't finished his education. He needs to sit on the bench until he can play on an almost equivalent level to the starter that he is replacing in the lineup. That hasn't happened yet.

Oh, Randolph didn't know where to stand on the floor? Whose fault is that??????????????????????

If AR needs extra work, then the staff better put it in, because AR has talent and can help the team win.

If he's sulking and not buying in, then the staff & MDA better get through to him.

All the quotes from AR coming in during the summer was he was excited and wanted to play in this system. WTF happened?

Well I can appreciate your frustration but quotes don't mean anything.

There are lot of players in the league who are talented but can't put it together. If the coach is entirely responsible for that then you can fire every coach in the league right now.

I'd say it's mostly on the player to learn the system. There are at least eight guys on the team who have managed to learn it pretty well.

AR is only 21, didn't have a lot of coaching before he turned professional and has a big learning curve. Yes, he's put up some pretty good numbers and times. But his last coach had problems with him also. Hopefully, he'll get it eventually.

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2/5/2011  4:31 PM    LAST EDITED: 2/5/2011  4:31 PM
PresIke wrote:this is one of the most poor uses of stats i've ever seen posted on this forum to try and paint a picture that is convenient to a posters point of view.

to be fair it's not very different than last year when people used the "if you take out our 3-14 start, we're a playoff contending basketball team" argument you heard from several posters on this forum.

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2/5/2011  4:45 PM
Were clearly better than last year talent wise, but we are still horribly inconsistent. We take bad shots on offense, play very erradic defense, and never rebound well.
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2/5/2011  5:50 PM
TMS wrote:
PresIke wrote:this is one of the most poor uses of stats i've ever seen posted on this forum to try and paint a picture that is convenient to a posters point of view.

to be fair it's not very different than last year when people used the "if you take out our 3-14 start, we're a playoff contending basketball team" argument you heard from several posters on this forum.

Although I agree, that's also silly, at least that one was at one end of the season, where you can note noticeable recent progress since that point. The one in this thread was just lumped in, in the middle of the season, which is just a silly way to analyze stats.

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2/5/2011  6:10 PM
Solace wrote:
TMS wrote:
PresIke wrote:this is one of the most poor uses of stats i've ever seen posted on this forum to try and paint a picture that is convenient to a posters point of view.

to be fair it's not very different than last year when people used the "if you take out our 3-14 start, we're a playoff contending basketball team" argument you heard from several posters on this forum.

Although I agree, that's also silly, at least that one was at one end of the season, where you can note noticeable recent progress since that point. The one in this thread was just lumped in, in the middle of the season, which is just a silly way to analyze stats.

i think the point CrushAlot is trying to make is that the 13-1 stretch may have been more of an anomaly than an accurate measuring stick to judge where this team is really at, the same as people arguing that last year's squad wasn't as bad as their 3-14 start may have suggested.

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2/5/2011  6:19 PM
Can't really look into the 13-1 stretch that much.

The bottom line is that we're a .500 team. Even if we went 7-7 during that stretch, maybe we would have won more of the recent games we lost.

Its just about the bigger picture.

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2/5/2011  6:37 PM
The Knicks are 13-1 if you take out their 12-23 record outside of the run. What's the point? Basketball is a game of runs. Unless you have an elite team that can win 65+ games a season then I think you will see these highs and lows. Just enjoy the ride. We have not have team like this in a decade.
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2/5/2011  8:03 PM
TMS wrote:
Solace wrote:
TMS wrote:
PresIke wrote:this is one of the most poor uses of stats i've ever seen posted on this forum to try and paint a picture that is convenient to a posters point of view.

to be fair it's not very different than last year when people used the "if you take out our 3-14 start, we're a playoff contending basketball team" argument you heard from several posters on this forum.

Although I agree, that's also silly, at least that one was at one end of the season, where you can note noticeable recent progress since that point. The one in this thread was just lumped in, in the middle of the season, which is just a silly way to analyze stats.

i think the point CrushAlot is trying to make is that the 13-1 stretch may have been more of an anomaly than an accurate measuring stick to judge where this team is really at, the same as people arguing that last year's squad wasn't as bad as their 3-14 start may have suggested.

I hear you. I think the phenomenon is probably more due to how our schedule has been. We had a really easy schedule for part of the year, followed by a very difficult one. That won't happen to most teams in most seasons.

And last year's team, people were just delusional.

Wishing everyone well. I enjoyed posting here for a while, but as I matured I realized this forum isn't for me. We all evolve. Thanks for the memories everyone.
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2/6/2011  1:01 AM
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The Knicks are 12-23 if you take out their 13-1 run

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