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(...another darn Melo article) David D'Alessandro and his take
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Knixkik
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1/29/2011  7:46 AM
OldFan wrote:
AnubisADL wrote:I never understand these articles. We need a big so we can become the Atlanta Hawks?

I'll pass. Give me Carmelo. Making the playoffs every year is great but I want to be a contender.

Does Melo make us a contender? I don't know that he makes us a contender even if we give up nothing. And we're not getting him for nothing.


Melo doesn't make us a contender by himself, but the point in that he is a start towards one. Add him first, then add the necessary role players. If we just add a big man now we are just a good playoff team. That is not what we want. We need a second star first.
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1/29/2011  8:14 AM
"As much as we like Anthony, the Knicks would actually be more cohesive if they could land the beast who plays alongside him, Nene. No, you can’t get him — not even for Eddy Curry and a pick, not even after Denver starts the fire sale. Centers are disappearing again, and they may be endangered for some time."

I believe the idea that we would have to overpay Denver to get him is inaccurate. Nene has an option to cancel the last year of his contract and leave Denver this summer. If he wants to come here and have a chance to win a championship, I think he can do it on his own, and then there would not be any compensation to Denver. Anyone have evidence to the contrary?

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1/29/2011  8:59 AM
rvwink wrote:"As much as we like Anthony, the Knicks would actually be more cohesive if they could land the beast who plays alongside him, Nene. No, you can’t get him — not even for Eddy Curry and a pick, not even after Denver starts the fire sale. Centers are disappearing again, and they may be endangered for some time."

I believe the idea that we would have to overpay Denver to get him is inaccurate. Nene has an option to cancel the last year of his contract and leave Denver this summer. If he wants to come here and have a chance to win a championship, I think he can do it on his own, and then there would not be any compensation to Denver. Anyone have evidence to the contrary?


Looks like you are correct about Nene - he has a players option for next year at $11.6. So he can opt out but if we sign Melo (either trade this season or as a FA after the season, then we don't have enough cap room to sign Nene.

Briggs - where are you? This writer just channelled all of your thoughts and plagerized your posts for the past 2 weeks. You deserve a commission or at least a "contributed by..."

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1/29/2011  9:08 AM
Nalod wrote:
If Moz was two years younger and tearing up the ACC we'd all be crying about not having a high pick.

Mozzy Bear is getting ready.

At best he is two yeras away from being really good if he ever achieves that. He'll be 26 then. Also have his "Man Strength" by then.

Few Bigs mature early. Even Dwight Howard has not found his offensive game.

It would be nuts to say Mozzy Bear is the Savior. We all want that Starphuch but it does not happen over night.

What is the plan? Dwight? in '12? Anyone think our yoots get even better? AR gets better? Or as trade asset?

Go bigger and deeper in smaller moves?

Use the imagination not just the obvious starphuch.

Good article. Can't match Miami, but we could go big.

Maybe the Starphuch here is to watch our yoots grow and use our cap space wisely. Dwight? Maybe he is the one.

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What do we do? Now wait till 2012 for Howard? I don't think so! Every year all we do is wait. At this pace Amare's contract will be up. We move now. It been almost 38 years and every season we keep saying wait till next year. Get Carmelo now and if Chandler wants to stay and play he won't get 10 million maybe 7 million. We can get a big man I hope but the NBA is about to take down the union big time and some player who need that money will sign to anything to pay their bills.

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1/29/2011  10:48 AM
Papa,

We wait. We build, we grow.

Impatience can get you to the second round.

Thats about it.

Im not saying wait for howard, but why now.

We can still improve this team in other ways. No way we win a championship next season. If you trade for melo and pay up you lose depth of assets and have to wait anyway to build it up.

I want to win as much as anyone.

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1/29/2011  11:21 AM
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GoNyGoNyGo wrote:So what C's are realistic?

Kaman is someone that may work. LA needs a SF, Ny needs a C. How about Chandler, Curry for Kaman and filler? The only thing is Kaman is on the books for next season at 12M/per and he is injury prone. LA then can play Jordan and gets space next year.

I wonder if Mehmet Okur is available. He would be a perfect compliment for Amare.

Okur never impressed me as the tough enforcer type, but he is a very useful player.

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1/29/2011  11:22 AM
TMS wrote:
AnubisADL wrote:I never understand these articles. We need a big so we can become the Atlanta Hawks?

I'll pass. Give me Carmelo. Making the playoffs every year is great but I want to be a contender.

agreed... players like Nene or Marc Gasol are NOT going to make as much of an impact that a star like Melo will on this roster... u get me 2 elite players like Amare & Melo on the same team & i'll worry about the role players later.

I am on this boat.

TKF on Melo ::....he is a punk, a jerk, a self absorbed out of shape, self aggrandizing, unprofessional, volume chucking coach killing playoff loser!!
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1/29/2011  11:31 AM
People try to outsmart themselves with arguments that all we need is role players. It's not impatience driving these Carmelo talks. It's necessity. If people here want the STAT era to be 45 win teams that don't make it past the first or second round then we should trade for a guy like Dalembert and hope that solves our problems. I'd contest hat even if we had Chris Paul right now over Felton it still wouldn't make the kind of difference Melo would make now.

I respect Everyones opinion but it's shocking that people actually believe a guy like Melo wouldn't make a difference. And waiting until the summer to get him would be great if it was guaranteed. But it's not. We need this guy or itll be 2 years until we even have a chance to get he kind of help we need.

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1/29/2011  12:10 PM
MSG3 wrote:People try to outsmart themselves with arguments that all we need is role players. It's not impatience driving these Carmelo talks. It's necessity. If people here want the STAT era to be 45 win teams that don't make it past the first or second round then we should trade for a guy like Dalembert and hope that solves our problems. I'd contest hat even if we had Chris Paul right now over Felton it still wouldn't make the kind of difference Melo would make now.

I respect Everyones opinion but it's shocking that people actually believe a guy like Melo wouldn't make a difference. And waiting until the summer to get him would be great if it was guaranteed. But it's not. We need this guy or itll be 2 years until we even have a chance to get he kind of help we need.

Melo would make a difference. I just don't think he makes us a contender and I think between his salary and the assets we give up to get him we'll be stuck at a level below contending.

I think we give up two rotation players, cap room and a trade asset (Randolph) and probably draft picks. We end up with a team some thing like:
Chandler, Amare, Felton, Melo, Williams, Turiaf, Walker.

That team to me is not a contender and is more then a few role players around the edges from being a contender. It doesn't have the defense, size or depth to be a contender. You don't have the draft picks, tradable players or cap space to make it a contender - for years.

I guess I'm a little more patient. It's very rare for a team to go fro 23 wins to contenders in a couple of years. The Celtics turn around was the exception to the rule not the rule. I'd rather see how the players we have develop and see if someone like Howard becomes available. To me if I'm going to go all in on a free agent he has to be someone who addresses our major weaknesses.

If we need to give up significantly less to get Melo then that changes the equation.

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1/29/2011  1:13 PM
PresIke wrote:amar'e is also not guaranteed to be the same player, health wise, if we wait around, since no one has will have ever played as long as he has with the type of cartilage put in his knee in a few years.

Well...

Zach Randoplh is going on year 5 or 6, removed from microfracture. Doug Christie had it done in college and did just fine after that. Kidd has his about 5 years ago.

I'm with you on not wanting to wait though. Microfracture or not, keeping that level of athleticsm and speed will decline at some point over the next few years. Getting him help, while he's in his prime would be ideal.

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1/29/2011  3:12 PM
OldFan wrote:
MSG3 wrote:People try to outsmart themselves with arguments that all we need is role players. It's not impatience driving these Carmelo talks. It's necessity. If people here want the STAT era to be 45 win teams that don't make it past the first or second round then we should trade for a guy like Dalembert and hope that solves our problems. I'd contest hat even if we had Chris Paul right now over Felton it still wouldn't make the kind of difference Melo would make now.

I respect Everyones opinion but it's shocking that people actually believe a guy like Melo wouldn't make a difference. And waiting until the summer to get him would be great if it was guaranteed. But it's not. We need this guy or itll be 2 years until we even have a chance to get he kind of help we need.

Melo would make a difference. I just don't think he makes us a contender and I think between his salary and the assets we give up to get him we'll be stuck at a level below contending.

I think we give up two rotation players, cap room and a trade asset (Randolph) and probably draft picks. We end up with a team some thing like:
Chandler, Amare, Felton, Melo, Williams, Turiaf, Walker.

That team to me is not a contender and is more then a few role players around the edges from being a contender. It doesn't have the defense, size or depth to be a contender. You don't have the draft picks, tradable players or cap space to make it a contender - for years.

I guess I'm a little more patient. It's very rare for a team to go fro 23 wins to contenders in a couple of years. The Celtics turn around was the exception to the rule not the rule. I'd rather see how the players we have develop and see if someone like Howard becomes available. To me if I'm going to go all in on a free agent he has to be someone who addresses our major weaknesses.

If we need to give up significantly less to get Melo then that changes the equation.

I definitely agree that we shouldn't give up everything for him. But it looks like when it boils down to it the productivity we lose at most will be Fields, Walker and one of Chandler or Gallo. That is WELL worth it.

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1/29/2011  3:19 PM
OldFan wrote:
MSG3 wrote:This article echoes what a lot of pepole here say....that since the Knicks score a lot they don't need another scorer. But I think a good comparable argument is the difference between STAT and Lee. Everyone said "Oh why do we need STAT when Lee is a 20/10 guy?" But now we all see the difference, right?

Look at how much effort it takes us to score our average of 106. How many times in the last 10 games have we been held under 100? I think quite a few. You can't just look at numebrs and say we have enough scoring. You add Melo to this team and we won't run into the problem we have when teams zero in on Amar'e, Cahndler has an off game, Galo goes quiet for a few quarters here and there and Felton tries to compensate by scoring instead of distributing. Why won't we run into those problems? Because Amar'e and Melo will ahve a great 2 Man game going, Felton will ahve two amazing options to go to, the double team won't be effective and it will be rare when all 3 of STAT, Melo and Felton have cold nights. And on those nights, hopefully who ever is left over can step up. Furthermoe, hopefully everyone will be so invigorated by having such a quality roster that it'll translate into great Defensive effort. I don't think Wade and Bosh were ever considered great defenders before this year. And now look...Miami is a top 5 defensive team.

This Melo deal has to go down. And if it doesn't, we have to sign him this summer.

Wade has been named to the second team all defensive team for the last two years.

fair point about Wade, he's always been a stellar defensive player. but all the other points MSG3 just made are completely valid... look how hard Miami has to work to win games when either Lebron or Wade are out of the lineup... that's the way Amare has to work now to carry this current roster on his back... u add Melo to the mix & it makes his job & everyone else's job, including MDA's, a whole lot easier... no double teaming on Amare or else Melo kills you... u double Melo & Ray & Amare will pick you apart w/the PnR... right now this team is 1 Amare injury away from going back to a lottery team... if u were watching last nite's game when Amare went down after someone rolled up the back of his knee, u know how fleeting our "contention" status really is... Melo is the best insurance policy out there right now for us to invest in to prevent that from happening... Amare & Melo combo = guaranteed top 3 seed for the next 5 years... & if u add CP3 or Deron to the mix a year from now, we're talking championship.

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(...another darn Melo article) David D'Alessandro and his take

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