CrushAlot wrote:

umynot wrote:

jrodmc wrote:

martin wrote:

jrodmc wrote:I don't understand the Gallo fascination here. He's more fragile, streakier and less multi-dimensional than Wils.

It's always so stupid to argue with the owner. I should know better. I should stop with that thought, but then:

He's a smarter player, has higher bball IQ , collects fouls more, more clutch, better passer/facilitator.

Sure sign of a weak argument: saying the same thing twice.

1) Collecting fouls - Gallo's a spot up jump shooter. Wil slashes and finishes clean. Let's think lower of Wil because he actually has moves beyond a stupid H20 jab step to get open looks.
2) More clutch - not as useful when you miss full seasons or parts of seasons at a time -- see more fragile.
3) If he's such asset at dimes production, why are we all crying for a backup PG?

Chandler is in his 5th year as a pro Gallo is just in his second

Gallo is a better shooter with out any doubt's!!
Better FT shooter!!
Better Passer
Taller!!
Longer!
Dunks are a wash betweeen both!!

D is also a wash!!

Gallo is not scared of the moment Chandler most times looks soft!!

Gallo is CLUTCH Wilson is more consistent but also gets way more touches!!

Gallo is the keeper here!!

Chandler is in his fourth year in the nba and Gallinari is in his third. They are only one year a part in age and nba experience. Chandler scores more, rebounds more, blocks more shots can play three positions and start or come off the bench. Chandler doesn't ever look soft in my opinion, he is just not as demonstrative on the court as Gallo. Being demonstrative doesn't make you a star and it doesn't mean that it means more to you. I think you have to look at both of these guys games and make a decision. These guys are both very good players. I generally would vote for Chandler but there are nights where Gallo is so impressive that I think Chandler should go.

Look at the Heat game 4th qtr. Gallo makes a crafty play to draw a foul (2 FTs). Gallo drills a couple 3s. Gallo takes it to the hole for an awesome dunk. Gallo has the ball and he's got it going. Everyone thinks he's going to try to score, instead he takes it to the hole, draws the D and dishes to Fields for a wide open 3 and what is the biggest basket of the game. Gallo is a pure team guy. Not that Chandler isnt... I can and have said a 100 good things about Will, but if you have to choose Gallo is the more talented player and more important.

I want them both, and I would be happy to resign Will to good money. I do think Chandler is a little softer than Gallo. When Chandler plays against superior talent he gets a bit timid and tentative. Seem like when Gallo goes up against superior players (Melo, Lebron, Durant) he comes up bigger. Gallo tends to loaf and coast (last night aside) against the poor teams while Chandler tends to really clean up on those matchups. I would say thats a product of both players being young more than anything.

orangeblobman wrote:According to an advanced statistical model I developed to gauge raw offensive potency, Gallinari scores a whopping 1.68 to Wilson's 0.48

To give you an idea of the relative value of these numbers, Amar'e scores a 1.07, LeBron James 1.25, Kevin Durant 1.30

Of course this is just raw offensive potency, not intended to describe overall impact on the game. But it's obvious that, per pound, Gallinari is an offensive behemoth.

I guess it must be...

orangeblobman wrote:

jrodmc wrote:

orangeblobman wrote:People calling Gallo fragile and Chandler durable are fools.

This is the first year Chandler came to camp healthy, he has had ankle and leg problems every year over his entire career. He played 65 games last year.

Providing Dlee with a 'gaping hack wound', that's a positive for you? That's a mental disorder, wishing and supporting physical harm on human beings. You should be in jail.

Notice how you're only hating on Gallinari, David Lee, who else, Mozgov? Your motives are clear.

Gallinari >> Chandler.

Did you see the smiley face, mo? You should be in a Hooked on Phonics class. Plus the gaping hack wound in question was an accident, not intentional harm.

And as for your racist conspiracy theory, I happen to be as white as rice. I like Mozgov, I like Pringles. I hate on DLee because he played the type of D that had Debusschere spinning in his grave, and because his life's goals were double/double and no posters at all costs. I also post alot of hate for H20. So what are my motives again? You should also enroll in a PC sensitivity rehab somewhere.

This is an opinion forum, which suffers fools who think missing an entire season and mugging after every 3 and dunk makes you both durable and valuable.

Problem is that you've never seen a Knicks game in your life. Any real basketball fan, anyone who understands the game, anyone who has ever played the game, would agree Gallinari is a much better baller.

I don't know why you're bringing race into this, that's hateful. Why are you hateful and bringing up racism? Are you a racist? Putting a smiley face on a sentence doesn't negate the fact that you wish harm on others. Are you a violent person in real life? You're a danger to people around you. That's not good.

Chandler and Gallo have both had injury trouble, if anything they are of equal durability. Gallinari is more skilled, bigger, and a better overall player, period.

There is NO rational reason why someone would support Chandler over Gallinari, in my opinion. I just don't see it, it's not there.

Ah, the voice of reason prevails. I'll number these points for you, oblob, since maybe the numbers will aid your reading comprehension:

1) I've been to several games in person, going back to Debusschere's retirement night, and several cheapo games against the Nets when they (the Nets) were playing home games at Rutgers. I've watched more games on TV than I can count. What's your history, Mr. Naismith?
2) Have you ever heard of logic? Google it sometime. You commit more logical fallacies in one sentence than any classroom full of 3rd graders. So what other brilliant deductions have you made that "all real basketball fans" just have to agree with? Have you written a book yet informing the world of them?
3) You brought race into, dipsH_t:

orangeblobman wrote: Notice how you're only hating on Gallinari, David Lee, who else, Mozgov? Your motives are clear.

orangeblobman wrote:

jrodmc wrote:

orangeblobman wrote:

jrodmc wrote:

orangeblobman wrote:People calling Gallo fragile and Chandler durable are fools.

This is the first year Chandler came to camp healthy, he has had ankle and leg problems every year over his entire career. He played 65 games last year.

Providing Dlee with a 'gaping hack wound', that's a positive for you? That's a mental disorder, wishing and supporting physical harm on human beings. You should be in jail.

Notice how you're only hating on Gallinari, David Lee, who else, Mozgov? Your motives are clear.

Gallinari >> Chandler.

Did you see the smiley face, mo? You should be in a Hooked on Phonics class. Plus the gaping hack wound in question was an accident, not intentional harm.

And as for your racist conspiracy theory, I happen to be as white as rice. I like Mozgov, I like Pringles. I hate on DLee because he played the type of D that had Debusschere spinning in his grave, and because his life's goals were double/double and no posters at all costs. I also post alot of hate for H20. So what are my motives again? You should also enroll in a PC sensitivity rehab somewhere.

This is an opinion forum, which suffers fools who think missing an entire season and mugging after every 3 and dunk makes you both durable and valuable.

Problem is that you've never seen a Knicks game in your life. Any real basketball fan, anyone who understands the game, anyone who has ever played the game, would agree Gallinari is a much better baller.

I don't know why you're bringing race into this, that's hateful. Why are you hateful and bringing up racism? Are you a racist? Putting a smiley face on a sentence doesn't negate the fact that you wish harm on others. Are you a violent person in real life? You're a danger to people around you. That's not good.

Chandler and Gallo have both had injury trouble, if anything they are of equal durability. Gallinari is more skilled, bigger, and a better overall player, period.

There is NO rational reason why someone would support Chandler over Gallinari, in my opinion. I just don't see it, it's not there.

3) You brought race into, dipsH_t:

orangeblobman wrote: Notice how you're only hating on Gallinari, David Lee, who else, Mozgov? Your motives are clear.

How is that bringing race 'into'?

I think your guilty imagination put the race 'into'. I certainly never mentioned race, you function off assumptions. Talk about a logical fallacy. And you're vulgar. Just terrible. I will pray for you, man. It's ok, God loves you.

Gallinari is better in every dimension.

TMS is right, why does this have to become mudslinging? Are you that attached to Chandler? Geeze, it's only a basketball game, relax! Enjoy life a little.

I am enjoying life, thanks. Actually I'm having so much fun, I'm not going to bother explaining your first question to you.

And if you'd care to go back just a few short weeks, you'd see there were threads exhorting how good we were without Gallo.

I always type with a happy smile on my face, and Jesus in my heart.
Anyway, thanks for the prayers, dude. You might want to lighten up yourself a little, buddy.
You can be wrong, maybe even once a decade.
I'm pretty sure nobody will mind.

nykshaknbake wrote:Gallo is a 42% FG vs CHandler who is at at 46%. Gallo shoots only 2-3% higher in 3Pointers and scores less than CHandler does. I'm not even going to comment on vs Amre and the others. WHy would you even make up something like that in this discussion?

orangeblobman wrote:According to an advanced statistical model I developed to gauge raw offensive potency, Gallinari scores a whopping 1.68 to Wilson's 0.48

To give you an idea of the relative value of these numbers, Amar'e scores a 1.07, LeBron James 1.25, Kevin Durant 1.30

Of course this is just raw offensive potency, not intended to describe overall impact on the game. But it's obvious that, per pound, Gallinari is an offensive behemoth.

I did the numbers. It's not made up. The method, I created, and I think it gives an accurate picture of their offensive prowess.

It's not all so simple as field goal percentage.

It's a proprietary model and I want to safeguard the formula, but I can tell you it takes into account free throws made and attempted, field goes made and attempted, among other things.

Call it the 'obm offensive prowess index'.

It will linger anyway you look at it but lets move one.

For 7 that voted wilson I will repeat, no body dislikes him. I just used hypothetical to see really where the arguement stands.

In HymieTown we vote to keep the Guido!

Nalod wrote:In HymieTown we vote to keep the Guido!

^^^^^^^^
quotable, classic post material candidate!

orangeblobman wrote:

nykshaknbake wrote:Gallo is a 42% FG vs CHandler who is at at 46%. Gallo shoots only 2-3% higher in 3Pointers and scores less than CHandler does. I'm not even going to comment on vs Amre and the others. WHy would you even make up something like that in this discussion?

orangeblobman wrote:According to an advanced statistical model I developed to gauge raw offensive potency, Gallinari scores a whopping 1.68 to Wilson's 0.48

To give you an idea of the relative value of these numbers, Amar'e scores a 1.07, LeBron James 1.25, Kevin Durant 1.30

Of course this is just raw offensive potency, not intended to describe overall impact on the game. But it's obvious that, per pound, Gallinari is an offensive behemoth.

I did the numbers. It's not made up. The method, I created, and I think it gives an accurate picture of their offensive prowess.

It's not all so simple as field goal percentage.

It's a proprietary model and I want to safeguard the formula, but I can tell you it takes into account free throws made and attempted, field goes made and attempted, among other things.

Call it the 'obm offensive prowess index'.