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BRIGGS
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1/28/2011  3:02 PM
If the suns wanted to shed some salary--Gortat would be the kind of big guy that walsh is talking about
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1/28/2011  3:06 PM
franco12 wrote:Assuming we can't swing a trade for Melo, I'd love to get Zach Randolph if it doesn't cost more than maybe Curry, Buke & AR & maybe a second rounder- and that might be too much.

But I think Zach would really put us up a notch- adds serious rebounding in the middle, and can most likely co exist with Amare & MDA.

I would do it in a heartbeat. Nalod.. why do you think ZBo would fail? The Grizz players all like him. He was very good here for a bit under MDA. He's a low cost move that gives you real size. He's got an inside outside game that could co-exist w/ Amare just fine and he's a glass cleaner. I would vote yes, and I think the savings on Azu's contract would be of interest to the Grizz
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1/28/2011  3:08 PM
fishmike wrote:
franco12 wrote:Assuming we can't swing a trade for Melo, I'd love to get Zach Randolph if it doesn't cost more than maybe Curry, Buke & AR & maybe a second rounder- and that might be too much.

But I think Zach would really put us up a notch- adds serious rebounding in the middle, and can most likely co exist with Amare & MDA.

I would do it in a heartbeat. Nalod.. why do you think ZBo would fail? The Grizz players all like him. He was very good here for a bit under MDA. He's a low cost move that gives you real size. He's got an inside outside game that could co-exist w/ Amare just fine and he's a glass cleaner. I would vote yes, and I think the savings on Azu's contract would be of interest to the Grizz

No thanks. As far as I can tell Zbo is not a team first guy, and he's not worth the disruption to chemistry.

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1/28/2011  3:25 PM
martin wrote:
TMS wrote:
Panos wrote:What an idiotic contract they signed Rashard Lewis to. Everybody knew it before the ink was dry. Somebody really needs to save these GM's from themselves.

1 of the worst contracts ever... the funny thing is i actually had some arguments with people on this forum that actually thought that contract was market value at the time he signed it.

probably Bip, right?

i won't name any names not interested in ruffling any feathers over that embarassment, but it wasn't Bip... he gets enough from his Mike Sweetney support anyway.

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1/28/2011  3:36 PM
TMS wrote:
Panos wrote:What an idiotic contract they signed Rashard Lewis to. Everybody knew it before the ink was dry. Somebody really needs to save these GM's from themselves.

1 of the worst contracts ever... the funny thing is i actually had some arguments with people on this forum that actually thought that contract was market value at the time he signed it.

Orlando had really no other option. That was their last summer of cap space before Dwights extension kicked in. Obviously Lewis wasn't worth the max but he wasn't going to orlando without it.

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1/28/2011  4:27 PM    LAST EDITED: 1/28/2011  4:28 PM
AnubisADL wrote:
TMS wrote:
Panos wrote:What an idiotic contract they signed Rashard Lewis to. Everybody knew it before the ink was dry. Somebody really needs to save these GM's from themselves.

1 of the worst contracts ever... the funny thing is i actually had some arguments with people on this forum that actually thought that contract was market value at the time he signed it.

Orlando had really no other option. That was their last summer of cap space before Dwights extension kicked in. Obviously Lewis wasn't worth the max but he wasn't going to orlando without it.

they had an option to trade him, just like any franchise has rather than overpaying to keep a player on Rashard Lewis' level... that contract was worse than the one Gilbert Arenas got, & that one was pretty heinous in its own right.

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1/28/2011  4:30 PM
TMS wrote:
AnubisADL wrote:
TMS wrote:
Panos wrote:What an idiotic contract they signed Rashard Lewis to. Everybody knew it before the ink was dry. Somebody really needs to save these GM's from themselves.

1 of the worst contracts ever... the funny thing is i actually had some arguments with people on this forum that actually thought that contract was market value at the time he signed it.

Orlando had really no other option. That was their last summer of cap space before Dwights extension kicked in. Obviously Lewis wasn't worth the max but he wasn't going to orlando without it.

they had an option to trade him, just like any franchise has rather than overpaying to keep a player on Rashard Lewis' level... that contract was worse than the one Gilbert Arenas got, & that one was pretty heinous in its own right.

Rashard was a sign and trade FA acquisition I think.

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1/28/2011  4:43 PM
Andrew wrote:
TMS wrote:
AnubisADL wrote:
TMS wrote:
Panos wrote:What an idiotic contract they signed Rashard Lewis to. Everybody knew it before the ink was dry. Somebody really needs to save these GM's from themselves.

1 of the worst contracts ever... the funny thing is i actually had some arguments with people on this forum that actually thought that contract was market value at the time he signed it.

Orlando had really no other option. That was their last summer of cap space before Dwights extension kicked in. Obviously Lewis wasn't worth the max but he wasn't going to orlando without it.

they had an option to trade him, just like any franchise has rather than overpaying to keep a player on Rashard Lewis' level... that contract was worse than the one Gilbert Arenas got, & that one was pretty heinous in its own right.

Rashard was a sign and trade FA acquisition I think.

sorry ur right... i'm thinking in the reverse... at least SEA was smart enough not to sign him to that contract

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1/28/2011  5:04 PM
TMS wrote:
Andrew wrote:
TMS wrote:
AnubisADL wrote:
TMS wrote:
Panos wrote:What an idiotic contract they signed Rashard Lewis to. Everybody knew it before the ink was dry. Somebody really needs to save these GM's from themselves.

1 of the worst contracts ever... the funny thing is i actually had some arguments with people on this forum that actually thought that contract was market value at the time he signed it.

Orlando had really no other option. That was their last summer of cap space before Dwights extension kicked in. Obviously Lewis wasn't worth the max but he wasn't going to orlando without it.

they had an option to trade him, just like any franchise has rather than overpaying to keep a player on Rashard Lewis' level... that contract was worse than the one Gilbert Arenas got, & that one was pretty heinous in its own right.

Rashard was a sign and trade FA acquisition I think.

sorry ur right... i'm thinking in the reverse... at least SEA was smart enough not to sign him to that contract

I remember the original offer ORL made was much more reasonable...but when it was changed into a sign and trade the numbers went up considerably. Very bad move by them.

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1/28/2011  7:56 PM
Panos wrote:What an idiotic contract they signed Rashard Lewis to. Everybody knew it before the ink was dry. Somebody really needs to save these GM's from themselves.

Yeah, I mean that was a terrible deal. Orlando was bidding against itself. The saving grace is that the last year is not fully guaranteed.

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1/28/2011  10:11 PM
Nalod wrote:
franco12 wrote:Assuming we can't swing a trade for Melo, I'd love to get Zach Randolph if it doesn't cost more than maybe Curry, Buke & AR & maybe a second rounder- and that might be too much.

But I think Zach would really put us up a notch- adds serious rebounding in the middle, and can most likely co exist with Amare & MDA.

ZDump is an empty stat machine.

It would be kind to say he does not have the skill set for the way we play ball.

Don't sleep on Z. Unstoppable down low. Double figure rebounder. He may be a black hole on the offensive end, but so is Melo.

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1/29/2011  5:59 AM
Sangfroid wrote:
Nalod wrote:
franco12 wrote:Assuming we can't swing a trade for Melo, I'd love to get Zach Randolph if it doesn't cost more than maybe Curry, Buke & AR & maybe a second rounder- and that might be too much.

But I think Zach would really put us up a notch- adds serious rebounding in the middle, and can most likely co exist with Amare & MDA.

ZDump is an empty stat machine.

It would be kind to say he does not have the skill set for the way we play ball.

Don't sleep on Z. Unstoppable down low. Double figure rebounder. He may be a black hole on the offensive end, but so is Melo.

I don't think you can call Zach a loser anymore- his teams the last two years have been reasonable.

He has 1 year left, so we keep flexibility, and if we want to go Melo in the off season, we can.

And I think he solves the single biggest problem with our squad: Size and Rebounding.

Your bench now becomes formidable- Turiaf, Chandler & Douglas.

Just looked at his empty stats- he's pulling in 13 boards a game. That's no joke.

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1/29/2011  6:23 AM
If a good trade for Melo doesn't work out and Zach comes very cheap, he'd be a help. I agree that he isn't good fit in our offense and doesn't do much defensively, but what he does do well outweighs that.
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1/29/2011  6:59 AM
franco12 wrote:
Sangfroid wrote:
Nalod wrote:
franco12 wrote:Assuming we can't swing a trade for Melo, I'd love to get Zach Randolph if it doesn't cost more than maybe Curry, Buke & AR & maybe a second rounder- and that might be too much.

But I think Zach would really put us up a notch- adds serious rebounding in the middle, and can most likely co exist with Amare & MDA.

ZDump is an empty stat machine.

It would be kind to say he does not have the skill set for the way we play ball.

Don't sleep on Z. Unstoppable down low. Double figure rebounder. He may be a black hole on the offensive end, but so is Melo.

I don't think you can call Zach a loser anymore- his teams the last two years have been reasonable.

He has 1 year left, so we keep flexibility, and if we want to go Melo in the off season, we can.

And I think he solves the single biggest problem with our squad: Size and Rebounding.

Your bench now becomes formidable- Turiaf, Chandler & Douglas.

Just looked at his empty stats- he's pulling in 13 boards a game. That's no joke.


I dunno. This remind me of when Zach was brought in the first time around and Isaiah tried to convince us that it would work with Eddy Curry. Zbo is a beast, no doubt. But he and STAT operate from the same positions from the floor. I don't see how those two guys could be effective playing together without their game's hurting.
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1/29/2011  7:16 AM
BigDaddyG wrote:
franco12 wrote:
Sangfroid wrote:
Nalod wrote:
franco12 wrote:Assuming we can't swing a trade for Melo, I'd love to get Zach Randolph if it doesn't cost more than maybe Curry, Buke & AR & maybe a second rounder- and that might be too much.

But I think Zach would really put us up a notch- adds serious rebounding in the middle, and can most likely co exist with Amare & MDA.

ZDump is an empty stat machine.

It would be kind to say he does not have the skill set for the way we play ball.

Don't sleep on Z. Unstoppable down low. Double figure rebounder. He may be a black hole on the offensive end, but so is Melo.

I don't think you can call Zach a loser anymore- his teams the last two years have been reasonable.

He has 1 year left, so we keep flexibility, and if we want to go Melo in the off season, we can.

And I think he solves the single biggest problem with our squad: Size and Rebounding.

Your bench now becomes formidable- Turiaf, Chandler & Douglas.

Just looked at his empty stats- he's pulling in 13 boards a game. That's no joke.


I dunno. This remind me of when Zach was brought in the first time around and Isaiah tried to convince us that it would work with Eddy Curry. Zbo is a beast, no doubt. But he and STAT operate from the same positions from the floor. I don't see how those two guys could be effective playing together without their game's hurting.

I think Zach is more of an outside threat than Amare- and the two could co exist. Maybe he doesn't put up 20, but if he brings the threat of a 20pt game every game, and grabs his 10+ boards, we are winning games like last night, instead of losing.

I guess this stuff is really subjective- but if you add Zach cheaply, I can see us as a threat to advance in the play offs- probably not to the finals, but to the ECF- where I don't think we're getting past the first round right now.

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