TMS wrote:Kahn should have just traded his rights before last year while his hype was still high... he could've probably gotten a lottery pick & a future #1 for him from us at that point.

Hindsight is easy to say.

his value was the 4th pick. How can you say a lotto pick AND a fture no. 1 pick?

Based on the fan hype?

We knew he could not shoot two years ago as an 18 year old. The hype is based on his court vison, 6-4 with good wingspan, athletic, and star quality. Kid has skills.

I don't know if his stock has diminished because of what he has not done or his leverage.

Minny was told to not draft him. He don't want to play there. Rubio got hand.

If he wants to play in NY he has to hit that 3pter. His shot needs a lot of work. He needs leadership skills and maturity. Dealing with the American Diva multi millionaire selfish players vs. unselfish Euro-Diva is also a necessary skill.

If Billups wants to stay around and teach him that will work. Same for Felton.

tkf wrote:

Nalod wrote:
Rubio entered the lotto not thinking Minny was gonna take him where they did.

The point in the NBA is a pure Alpha position where your the quarterback and have to choose when and where the best thing for the team is. When you mess up you have 4 guys staring at you and your an extension of your coach at the same time. YOu have to think, and react at the same time.

Its rare for any 20 year old to demonstrate this ability. Jennings did a very good job last year. Look at the fact he did little in Italy and then kind of exploded in the NBA. Rubio is playing to the cultural norm of his league. When he did start on the national team (injury to I think Calderon or Rudy) he impressed many.

These pure points don't shoot much. They play all out and get substituted to keep fresh.

Not for desire or talent from what I read but for cultural purpose he will need a period of adjustment when he does come over.

I could see that Knicks as not being the ideal situation. I also see Felton starting to wear down. The MDA way is very euro and the knicks run A LOT and we will wear down any point not named Nash. I can see bringing Rubio along 20 min a game. Let him be a rookie and grow into the role.

Most good NFL Teams have good back ups for their QB's and the best develop young ones to eventually take over. Tom Brady and Matt Cassell are two that come to mind. Brady took over for Bledsoe who was making a lot of money at the time. Cassell did a great job but not enough to supplant Brady. If he was not a free agent Patriots could have gotten a lot for him in trade.

If you recall Brady didn't even beat (the guy who played for the yankees from Michigan)as a starer for the wolverines! He was a back up in college!

It happens. Rubio has potential, thats what you get.

If he can grow beyond Felton in time it gives us options.

What you trade for him is not my call. I don't know his real value. Minny has points. I don't know what they are doing up there.

He couldn't beat out Drew henson? wow

IM pretty sure that how it went down up there. Drew was a hell of a QB. Don't worry about Drew though, he made lots of money playing the system.

TMS wrote:

Nalod wrote:

TMS wrote:Kahn should have just traded his rights before last year while his hype was still high... he could've probably gotten a lottery pick & a future #1 for him from us at that point.

Hindsight is easy to say.

his value was the 4th pick. How can you say a lotto pick AND a fture no. 1 pick?

Based on the fan hype?

We knew he could not shoot two years ago as an 18 year old. The hype is based on his court vison, 6-4 with good wingspan, athletic, and star quality. Kid has skills.

I don't know if his stock has diminished because of what he has not done or his leverage.

Minny was told to not draft him. He don't want to play there. Rubio got hand.

If he wants to play in NY he has to hit that 3pter. His shot needs a lot of work. He needs leadership skills and maturity. Dealing with the American Diva multi millionaire selfish players vs. unselfish Euro-Diva is also a necessary skill.

If Billups wants to stay around and teach him that will work. Same for Felton.

when Kahn drafted Rubio i assumed all along it was as a trade chip... i never once thought Rubio would ever play a game for the TWolves... now he might end up getting nothing out of the pick... IMO the Wolves could easily have traded Rubio's rights to the Knicks for the #8 pick & a future #1.

Then why didn't they flip the pick right away? They could have had Jennings and a future asset! OR Gallo and a future asset!

Unless Kahn thought Rubio would blossom into a bonafide star and him as an asset would grow.

Its amazing from a hype standpoint that Minny only has 10 wins with a front line of Darko-Love-Beas!

Kahn drafts all these guards and can't more out of them?

Is their coach really that bad?

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As I said in the Chandler thread, I can imagine if Melo is not traded that we use Chandler to get Rubio's rights. Unless we can get more.

babyKnicks wrote:Seems like anthony Randolph for Rubio is a logical trade.

We would be renouncing Chandler, so he is a better asset to give up for Rubio since we could not match the offers he's bound to get. AR can also be moved for some other asset (e.g., pick or a big who would play).