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Sangfroid
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1/25/2011  11:33 AM
TheGame wrote:I would certainly explore what I could get for Chandler. If we could get a quality center for maybe Chandler and Timmy M, I would explore that trade possibility. The reality is that Gallo, Fields, and Chandler are all really SFs even though MDA plays them at other positions. I think Fields will eventually be able to replace Chandler's production. Sell high now if a good deal comes along, but only if it is a GOOD deal that solidifies our roster.

As much as I like Fields, no way does he equal Chandler. Chandler being bigger, stronger and more athletically gifted.

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1/25/2011  12:26 PM
JrZyHuStLa wrote:I knew it was just a matter of time until the anti melo posters became pro melo.

It's not just crazy UK posters that don't see a Melo acquisition as a no brainer for the Knicks.

Obviously there are statheads that can see the possible downside to the cost of his aquisistion.
There are old school scouts that think so too.

If we do get Melo, I hope it works but there's really no need to just dismiss the opinions of those who think Melo may not be such a great idea for the Knicks as crazy jibber jabber.

I used to think that trading Chandler + Gallo + Fields + Curry + Picks would be too much but under the current CBA, even if we trade Gallo/Fields/Curry/AR and picks there won't be enough $ to pay Chandler and Melo it looks like so either way the cost will be whoever we trade + the inability to resign Chilly Willy for what he's seeking.

Not sure if it works under the cap but trading Chandler might allow us to repeat what we did this past offseason.

Sign marquee FA (amare --> melo)
Sign and trade homegrown talent (david lee --> wilson chandler)

which would be preferable to just including Chandler in a Melo trade and getting less back in return than we could have gotten in a sep. Chandler S&T.

Let's try to elevate the level of discourse in this byeetch. Please
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1/25/2011  12:28 PM
I can't see why the Nuggets would want Chandler included in a deal. He's a restricted FA and they would have to lose him or match.
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1/25/2011  1:31 PM
fishmike wrote:I dont want to pay twice for Melo... he's a hell of a player but the reason your bringing him in is to compete for a title. The odd man out is going to be Chandler. Love everything about the guy but he's not Melo and he deserves to and will get paid. Assuming Denver doesnt take whatever low ball offer Walsh makes him we should look seriously into trading Chandler for pick(s) or a cheap big in a rookie contract.

IF and I mean IF Melo doesnt get trade at the deadline he's coming here. Why lose a good player like Chandler for nothing?

+1000000 to this idea. CHandler rocks, but he's goin either way. May as well get a useable asset or picks for him.
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1/25/2011  1:38 PM
Sangfroid wrote:
TheGame wrote:I would certainly explore what I could get for Chandler. If we could get a quality center for maybe Chandler and Timmy M, I would explore that trade possibility. The reality is that Gallo, Fields, and Chandler are all really SFs even though MDA plays them at other positions. I think Fields will eventually be able to replace Chandler's production. Sell high now if a good deal comes along, but only if it is a GOOD deal that solidifies our roster.

As much as I like Fields, no way does he equal Chandler. Chandler being bigger, stronger and more athletically gifted.

True, but Fields is on his rookie deal while Chandler will be getting $8-$10mil per season starting next season. To sign Melo, we would have to renounce Chandler. Thus, he's the one who needs to go. Fields will likely be a better player down the road anyway. Melo is CERTAINLY a better player right now.

I dig Ill Wil, but he is the piece that has to move. It's looking more and more as if the Nuggs are going to hold Melo for the playoffs and call his bluff. So trading Chandler will look real nice to Melo as it will demonstrate that we are serious about him. I think we will also have to move Turiaf to clear a few $mil extra to get to a max deal, and Orlando may very well be interested as they are in absolute WIN NOW mode with Dwight. They could use a guy like Turiaf.
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1/25/2011  2:39 PM
JrZyHuStLa wrote:I knew it was just a matter of time until the anti melo posters became pro melo.

lol

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1/25/2011  4:11 PM
http://www.northjersey.com/sports/pro_sports/basketball/knicks/114532749_Knicks_notes__Donnie_Walsh_on_dealing.html

Walsh said if he decided to do something, he might ask Amar'e Stoudemire or other players if they'd approve of getting a specific player, as he did with Reggie Miller in Indiana and "guys on the team that were older and as serious about [winning] as I am."

He wouldn't say whom he'd give up when he asked them about deals, but said there were times when some Pacers told him not to trade for a certain player.

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Other than Amare..who is there on the Knicks to really ask their opinion on a player? Felton is a veteran but may not be around beyond 2 seasons. Ditto for Turiaf.

Let's try to elevate the level of discourse in this byeetch. Please
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1/25/2011  5:01 PM
he just needs to ask 2 guys, MDA & Amare... u need ur head coach & team's best player to buy in on any plan to add a significant part to the formula... if those 2 guys are on board w/the plan, then that's all u need.
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1/25/2011  5:09 PM
Trading Chandler hinges on whether we get Melo by the trade deadline of course. A question to consider is, do we get something back then that helps us this season? (e.g. nice draft pick) If not, then the team will probably wait like they did with Lee. Unless of course it's a good offer. Also, if we trade Chandler to a team that will probably be in the lottery the year after this next draft, that would help us out money wise (no $$ wasted against our salary cap) - A risk of course, but look what we got for Lee. (All the more reason I think they might try to ship out Chandler if Melo doesn't get traded).

I can see Minnesota trading us Rubio's rights IF D'Antoni would even want him. I say this because of the recent news of Rubio not wanting to play their still.
If Melo is not coming here, then that means we have AR still. There is a small, very small possibility, that they might trade Chandler and play AR some, but again, only if we get a lot back for him. It would have to be a team with some money to spend as Chandler will get offers and they will have to match.

We would have been in a lot better shape regardless, had we signed Chandler. I think we would have gotten more for Lee as well had we done the same with him.

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1/26/2011  8:38 AM
earthmansurfer wrote:Trading Chandler hinges on whether we get Melo by the trade deadline of course. A question to consider is, do we get something back then that helps us this season? (e.g. nice draft pick) If not, then the team will probably wait like they did with Lee. Unless of course it's a good offer. Also, if we trade Chandler to a team that will probably be in the lottery the year after this next draft, that would help us out money wise (no $$ wasted against our salary cap) - A risk of course, but look what we got for Lee. (All the more reason I think they might try to ship out Chandler if Melo doesn't get traded).

I can see Minnesota trading us Rubio's rights IF D'Antoni would even want him. I say this because of the recent news of Rubio not wanting to play their still.
If Melo is not coming here, then that means we have AR still. There is a small, very small possibility, that they might trade Chandler and play AR some, but again, only if we get a lot back for him. It would have to be a team with some money to spend as Chandler will get offers and they will have to match.

We would have been in a lot better shape regardless, had we signed Chandler. I think we would have gotten more for Lee as well had we done the same with him.


trading Chandler can help balance the team right now. We start a PF, 3 SFs and one PG. We play another SF off the bench. I like Chandler a lot. In many scenarios I can see and would like to see him be a big piece moving forward. To me he's proven his value, his ability to improve, his talent and his work ethic. He's what you want in your core guys. I just hope we are planning two moves ahead
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1/26/2011  9:02 AM
fishmike wrote:
earthmansurfer wrote:Trading Chandler hinges on whether we get Melo by the trade deadline of course. A question to consider is, do we get something back then that helps us this season? (e.g. nice draft pick) If not, then the team will probably wait like they did with Lee. Unless of course it's a good offer. Also, if we trade Chandler to a team that will probably be in the lottery the year after this next draft, that would help us out money wise (no $$ wasted against our salary cap) - A risk of course, but look what we got for Lee. (All the more reason I think they might try to ship out Chandler if Melo doesn't get traded).

I can see Minnesota trading us Rubio's rights IF D'Antoni would even want him. I say this because of the recent news of Rubio not wanting to play their still.
If Melo is not coming here, then that means we have AR still. There is a small, very small possibility, that they might trade Chandler and play AR some, but again, only if we get a lot back for him. It would have to be a team with some money to spend as Chandler will get offers and they will have to match.

We would have been in a lot better shape regardless, had we signed Chandler. I think we would have gotten more for Lee as well had we done the same with him.


trading Chandler can help balance the team right now. We start a PF, 3 SFs and one PG. We play another SF off the bench. I like Chandler a lot. In many scenarios I can see and would like to see him be a big piece moving forward. To me he's proven his value, his ability to improve, his talent and his work ethic. He's what you want in your core guys. I just hope we are planning two moves ahead

unlike IT, Walnuts is always planning 5-6 moves ahead

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1/26/2011  9:36 AM
I really like the idea of Moving Chandler in some kind of deal to get Rudy Fernandez.
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1/26/2011  10:46 AM
masud wrote:I really like the idea of Moving Chandler in some kind of deal to get Rudy Fernandez.
thats NOT value... unless we are getting a first rounder back. Rudy is a bench player at 25 years old. Chandler is a starter on a winning team, a guy who fills the stat sheet out every night and does a lot of good things. Chandler is a 18/7 player who shoots a good FG%. Gotta do better than that
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1/26/2011  12:40 PM
fishmike wrote:
masud wrote:I really like the idea of Moving Chandler in some kind of deal to get Rudy Fernandez.
thats NOT value... unless we are getting a first rounder back. Rudy is a bench player at 25 years old. Chandler is a starter on a winning team, a guy who fills the stat sheet out every night and does a lot of good things. Chandler is a 18/7 player who shoots a good FG%. Gotta do better than that

Rudy is a bench player behind one of the best 2 guards in the league. He's both started and played well for the Blazers this year, and last I heard they're still a playoff team in the west. He would absolutely flourish in this system much like Felton. And he'd do it for pennies. Meanwhile Chandler is due for a payday that we cannot afford if we want to sign that guy Melo (who plays the same position as Chandler). Right now we start 3 small forwards and Bill Walkers the only real 2 guard on the team. Chandler is the better player overall but I think Rudy would make us a better team.
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1/26/2011  12:55 PM
masud wrote:
fishmike wrote:
masud wrote:I really like the idea of Moving Chandler in some kind of deal to get Rudy Fernandez.
thats NOT value... unless we are getting a first rounder back. Rudy is a bench player at 25 years old. Chandler is a starter on a winning team, a guy who fills the stat sheet out every night and does a lot of good things. Chandler is a 18/7 player who shoots a good FG%. Gotta do better than that

Rudy is a bench player behind one of the best 2 guards in the league. He's both started and played well for the Blazers this year, and last I heard they're still a playoff team in the west. He would absolutely flourish in this system much like Felton. And he'd do it for pennies. Meanwhile Chandler is due for a payday that we cannot afford if we want to sign that guy Melo (who plays the same position as Chandler). Right now we start 3 small forwards and Bill Walkers the only real 2 guard on the team. Chandler is the better player overall but I think Rudy would make us a better team.

right on, masud.

rudy, i've been high on him for years. the guy is a baller, drop the buckets for you.

imagine, just imagine, rubio + rudy 2012. what??

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1/26/2011  2:56 PM
masud wrote:
fishmike wrote:
masud wrote:I really like the idea of Moving Chandler in some kind of deal to get Rudy Fernandez.
thats NOT value... unless we are getting a first rounder back. Rudy is a bench player at 25 years old. Chandler is a starter on a winning team, a guy who fills the stat sheet out every night and does a lot of good things. Chandler is a 18/7 player who shoots a good FG%. Gotta do better than that

Rudy is a bench player behind one of the best 2 guards in the league. He's both started and played well for the Blazers this year, and last I heard they're still a playoff team in the west. He would absolutely flourish in this system much like Felton. And he'd do it for pennies. Meanwhile Chandler is due for a payday that we cannot afford if we want to sign that guy Melo (who plays the same position as Chandler). Right now we start 3 small forwards and Bill Walkers the only real 2 guard on the team. Chandler is the better player overall but I think Rudy would make us a better team.

Wesley Matthews Jr. is one of the best two-guards in the league? Forget Rudy and throw in Batum. That youngster has got one heck of a ceiling.

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1/26/2011  4:48 PM
Rudy Fernandez this year:
21mpg 8.3 pts 37%FG, 33% 3pt%, 2.3 rebounds, 83% FT

The guy is getting minutes and playing like crap. I always liked him but now he just doesn't do it for me and his stats mostly back that up strongly. No way do I trade Chandler for him, there would have to be a high 1st rounder too. Unless he is just not happy and that is why is sucking.

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1/27/2011  2:53 AM
BigDaddyG wrote:
masud wrote:
fishmike wrote:
masud wrote:I really like the idea of Moving Chandler in some kind of deal to get Rudy Fernandez.
thats NOT value... unless we are getting a first rounder back. Rudy is a bench player at 25 years old. Chandler is a starter on a winning team, a guy who fills the stat sheet out every night and does a lot of good things. Chandler is a 18/7 player who shoots a good FG%. Gotta do better than that

Rudy is a bench player behind one of the best 2 guards in the league. He's both started and played well for the Blazers this year, and last I heard they're still a playoff team in the west. He would absolutely flourish in this system much like Felton. And he'd do it for pennies. Meanwhile Chandler is due for a payday that we cannot afford if we want to sign that guy Melo (who plays the same position as Chandler). Right now we start 3 small forwards and Bill Walkers the only real 2 guard on the team. Chandler is the better player overall but I think Rudy would make us a better team.

Wesley Matthews Jr. is one of the best two-guards in the league? Forget Rudy and throw in Batum. That youngster has got one heck of a ceiling.


You know I was talking about Roy and. Look at Rudy's numbers since Roy went out, he's been playing pretty well in a system that is not ideal for him. And Batum? What do you guys want? A team of all small forwards?
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1/27/2011  8:58 AM
u guys are crazy. If we are trading CHandler in a trade that doesn't involve Melo, u trade him for a big, not a backup 2, or a backup 1, or yet another wing player, but an actual bonafied 6-11+ guy that can block & rebound.
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1/27/2011  9:34 AM
Killa4luv wrote:u guys are crazy. If we are trading CHandler in a trade that doesn't involve Melo, u trade him for a big, not a backup 2, or a backup 1, or yet another wing player, but an actual bonafied 6-11+ guy that can block & rebound.

I'm not crazy, man.

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