martin wrote:

Vmart wrote:

fishmike wrote:

Vmart wrote:

crzymdups wrote:Yeah - for all this talk about the Knicks needing a 6'11" Marcus Camby clone... just ditching AR when he's never gotten a chance is infuriating to me.

Second that. Kid never really got a shot.

the time he did get he was terrible.

Unless that pick is a key to another trade I hope we keep AR. To me it doesnt matter if he plays again this year. He knows what he has to do and taking a year to learn and work on his game is a positive. He's 21 and I see him as part of a pipeline.

You see a lot of guys like AR come into the league too early, and when they are 24-25 suddenly resurface as really good players. Especially bigs. People like to blame coaches and teams but sometimes players simply arent ready.

I think the Knicks poor start was a factor. I just think everyone was trying to find their way. For some reason AR was the scapegoat of the poor start.

there's a big difference between escapegoat and being left out because of poor performance or fit. I think the later happened.

I think so too. I mean, in the pre-season when he did play he was just confused out there. He was taking bad shots and he was not showing his value to the team. I mean, get a rebound then run the floor. He did not do it. Maybe its because he was injured but I think his mental makeup steared him to being lazy when he did not get what he wanted. Like a spoiled child. Is this really what you want in a player? Darko when intervied when we faced Minny was that he messed up here. He said that he got into a rut and did not work hard. It looks like AR is following that path.

martin wrote:

fishmike wrote:

Vmart wrote:

crzymdups wrote:Yeah - for all this talk about the Knicks needing a 6'11" Marcus Camby clone... just ditching AR when he's never gotten a chance is infuriating to me.

Second that. Kid never really got a shot.

the time he did get he was terrible.

Unless that pick is a key to another trade I hope we keep AR. To me it doesnt matter if he plays again this year. He knows what he has to do and taking a year to learn and work on his game is a positive. He's 21 and I see him as part of a pipeline.

You see a lot of guys like AR come into the league too early, and when they are 24-25 suddenly resurface as really good players. Especially bigs. People like to blame coaches and teams but sometimes players simply arent ready.

i am in this boat.

Word. +1 to that sentiment. If it gets us Melo, good. If not, keep him and develop him. Too much upside to throw away. Now, if it's an unprotected pick, well then I might go for it, too.

I loved this kid, and thought to let him sit was ok as long as we gave him a shot at one point. I mean he never got more then 10 mins of action, how was he supposed to get in the flow.

Kid will be a double double machine and 2 blocks a game guy. When we so badly needed boards we still never gave this kid a shot, sucks

Azu buke and Randolph for Jeff Foster + lottery pro 1. Indiana saves like 4mm $+ and adds a very nice prospect+ gets younger and more athletic

VDesai wrote:

Vmart wrote:

VDesai wrote:If its an unprotected pick or at least one in the 15 range we can probably get a better player than AR anyway.

Yeah you are right. But this is a now team with Amare here can we really wait on a rookie to get good quickly.

Well can we wait for AR to get good quickly too? Apparently he hasn't gotten good enough to crack the rotation right now.

That is why I'm OK with dealing AR away if it means getting Melo to the Knicks which would be a now player to go along with Amar'e. Do I think AR got a fair shake here no I don't. I felt that he could have helped the Knicks in some capacity on the court. Our coach has no use for him, best for him to find his way somewhere else.

fishmike wrote:

Vmart wrote:

VDesai wrote:

Vmart wrote:

VDesai wrote:If its an unprotected pick or at least one in the 15 range we can probably get a better player than AR anyway.

Yeah you are right. But this is a now team with Amare here can we really wait on a rookie to get good quickly.

Well can we wait for AR to get good quickly too? Apparently he hasn't gotten good enough to crack the rotation right now.

That is why I'm OK with dealing AR away if it means getting Melo to the Knicks which would be a now player to go along with Amar'e. Do I think AR got a fair shake here no I don't. I felt that he could have helped the Knicks in some capacity on the court. Our coach has no use for him, best for him to find his way somewhere else.

how can you say AR did anything to earn more time here? I like AR, and if you remember was a huge supporter of bringing him here, but he played very poorly every chance he's gotten. Other guys have played much better. Why is this not getting a fair shake?

There was one point last night in the first half when the second unit looked worse than flat- they weren't giving any effort on either end.

I can't have been the only one to notice.

Why can't D'Antoni send Randolph in then - down 10 all game, flat play from the bench, Chandler and Gallo shooting worse than bricks?

Now- you can argue about what he's done or not done in practice. But maybe you send him out there and he gives you a spark, shows something, makes some plays & finds his rhythm. or he is flat too.

BlueSeats wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:Might not be true...

edit:

http://twitter.com/MikeWellsNBA/status/28121664436834305

"@JPCIV @8pts9secs Indy has NOT acquired Randolph. Pacers already have 15 players on the roster and they're over the salary cap."

@8pts9secs Donnie Walsh shot rumor down as well. He said Pacers have not proposed any offers to him for Randolph

http://www.rotoworld.com/content/playerpages/playerbreakingnews.asp?sport=NBA&id=1515&line=150326&spln=1

"Beat writer Mike Wells is dismissing a rumor that the Knicks have agreed to trade Anthony Randolph to the Pacers.
The original report comes from something called the Business Insider. Until a legitimate news organization with a history of breaking news confirms, we're dismissing this rumor as well. As Wells points out, the Pacers already have 15 guaranteed contracts and are over the salary cap. They couldn't get Randolph just for a first-round pick. Jan. 20 - 12:14 pm et "

I don't think DW is gonna do a straight up trade of him with anybody. Probably just laying groundwork in formulating multi-team blockbuster scenarios.

Makes sense.

franco12 wrote:

fishmike wrote:

Vmart wrote:

VDesai wrote:

Vmart wrote:

VDesai wrote:If its an unprotected pick or at least one in the 15 range we can probably get a better player than AR anyway.

Yeah you are right. But this is a now team with Amare here can we really wait on a rookie to get good quickly.

Well can we wait for AR to get good quickly too? Apparently he hasn't gotten good enough to crack the rotation right now.

That is why I'm OK with dealing AR away if it means getting Melo to the Knicks which would be a now player to go along with Amar'e. Do I think AR got a fair shake here no I don't. I felt that he could have helped the Knicks in some capacity on the court. Our coach has no use for him, best for him to find his way somewhere else.

how can you say AR did anything to earn more time here? I like AR, and if you remember was a huge supporter of bringing him here, but he played very poorly every chance he's gotten. Other guys have played much better. Why is this not getting a fair shake?

There was one point last night in the first half when the second unit looked worse than flat- they weren't giving any effort on either end.

I can't have been the only one to notice.

Why can't D'Antoni send Randolph in then - down 10 all game, flat play from the bench, Chandler and Gallo shooting worse than bricks?

Now- you can argue about what he's done or not done in practice. But maybe you send him out there and he gives you a spark, shows something, makes some plays & finds his rhythm. or he is flat too.

MDA does not have a quick hook. Once you make it in the rotation and do well you have a long (probably too long) a leash. We saw that with Duhon and Douglas last year. Too long with Duhon and not fast enough w/ Douglas, but once he commits you get the time and minutes to work out of whatever funks your in.

Lets be fair.. the same thing that makes a lot of people here criticize MDA is also his strength with players. Guys like Douglas, Chandler, Gallo, Fields... those guys like playing for MDA because they arent looking over their shoulders after a few bad games. MDA gives you the run to work out of it