1. LeCon
2. Kobe
3. Dwyane Wade
4. Amar'e Stoudemire
5. Kevin Durant
6. Dirk Nowitzki
7. Chris Paul
8. Deron Williams
9. Derrick Rose
10. Dwight Howard

fishmike wrote:

iSergio wrote:People need to stop putting Dwight Howard ahead of Amar'e Stoudemire.

STAT is the best big man in the game today.

he's done nothing to put himself ahead of Howard or Gasol or Dirk. Amare's awesome. Those guys are just as good

Dwight Howard and Pau Gasol can't score like STAT and Dirk Nowitzki doesn't rebound or block shots like STAT either. Amar'e Stoudemire is the most complete package imo.

fishmike wrote:

Allanfan20 wrote:Only bc of Kobes knee surgery do I put LeBron ahead of Kobe now, but that's it. A healthy Kobe is >>>>> than LeBron.

1) LeBron
2) Howard
3) Kobe
4) Wade
5) Stoudemire
6) Deron Williams
7) Durant
8) Melo
9) Paul
10) Nash

TMS is 100% correct about one thing (Although he didn't say it in this thread, or at least I don't think.) Durant and Melo should be considered in the same ranking purely b/c both are pure scorers and don't play much defense. However, I would still give the nod to Durant b/c of his length (Better defensive potential) and he simply has a heck of an attitude. If both of those guys had a better sense of urgency (Like Amar'e) then they'd be with LeBron, Wade, Kobe and Superman easily. However, all 3 of those guys aren't consistent enough on D', so they aren't there. Sometimes, their defense is non existant.

Didnt Durant win the scoring title last year? At 21? Durant is 22. Melo is 26. Big difference. All things equal its probably a push, but Durant is in his 4th year at 22. Dudes still developing his bag of tricks. He's also quicker than Melo, but not as strong.

It's a wash between the two, despite the age difference. To be honest, I probably should have put Pau Gasol ahead of both of them.

Killa4luv wrote:Oh btw, whoever puts Blake Griffin in their list, should get a 10 day ban or be forced to post their ID and prove they are over 13.

Supreme Commander, you deserve at a minimum a 20 minute timeout for leaving off Kobe. 10 minutes for leaving off Paul. But Pierce is debatable.

Very small body of work but right now - he's top ten. Give him a couple of years to prove he can keep it up. But he's putting up great numbers - his numbers in the last couple of Months are

                     MIN           FG PCT 3P   PCT FT      PCT STL BLK TO  PF  OFF DEF TOT  AST PTS 
Numbers for December 38.7 133-252 .528    4-5 .800 75-128 .586 0.9 0.8 2.9 3.1 3.9 9.5 13.5  3.9 23.0 
Numbers for January  38.3 83-159  .522    1-3 .333 55-80  .688  0.4 0.6 2.6 2.8 3.8 9.9 13.6 4.3 27.8 

And now he even has the Clippers winning. If it was Griffin or Melo - I'd take Griffin.

PS - My problem certainly isn't my youth - maybe I'm getting senile

loweyecue wrote:I think Supreme Commander has a point, its hard to be objective about these things and bunch of players get in on reputation alone for what they did in the past. But its also true people like Kobe can play through injuries and still be more effective than most people out there. But Russel Westbrook is too much of a reach.

Fair engouh... I do think Russell is a beast on both ends of the court, but get what you're saying

Killa4luv wrote:Oh btw, whoever puts Blake Griffin in their list, should get a 10 day ban or be forced to post their ID and prove they are over 13.

Supreme Commander, you deserve at a minimum a 20 minute timeout for leaving off Kobe. 10 minutes for leaving off Paul. But Pierce is debatable.

I saw Chirs Paul play in Houston last Friday. He's awesome but I wasn't as impressed with him as I have been in the past. He played the 2 for a large portion of the game and they Jarrett Jack manning the point for large stretches of the game. He's among the best in the league but top 15 at best. As is Kobe. But, no, they are not in my top 10 at the moment. You don't like it, put me on ignore

first:
Westbrook
Ginoboli
James
Amar'e
Nowitzki

second:
Williams
Wade
Durant
Griffin
Howard

Third:
Rose
Bryant
Pierce
Love
Horford

fishmike wrote:

tj23 wrote:Pierce is nowhere near top 10. Glorified spot up shooter who occasionally mixes it up.

your not watching him... one of the best finishers in the league. Great defender, great clutch player. He and Shimmy Walker took the Celtics to the conference finals. Dude may not be top ten but dame close. Guys an 8 time all star. Cmon man... Pierce is the real deal

I agree. I live near Boston and so the celts are on TV a lot. Pierce is not just a spot up shooter. He can take it to the hoop and has a mid range game off the dribble. Maybe not as good as he was a few years ago but still very good.

Elite wrote:

TMS wrote:

Killa4luv wrote:Here's my list:
Lebron
Kobe
Dwight Howard

Wade
Amare
Kevin Durant
Melo
Deron Williams
Chris Paul
Dirk

And aside from a handful of other players there are few other 'franchise' type talents in the next 10 players on the list

i think u pretty much covered it there Killa... i agree with your groupings too... i think Lebron, Kobe & Dwight are in a class of their own... the rest of your list are pretty much comparable players, i think u could order it any way you want & get no arguments from most people that follow the NBA.

I don't understand the Dwight Howard love - fest... dude has no offensive game and always chokes in the playoffs.. He is def top 10 but no WAY in hell is he top 3

u may not understand it but i think Dwight Howard is the most dominant bigman in the game today... he changes the way the game is played on both ends by the opponent every night... i would trade anyone on our team for Dwight Howard & that includes Amare, because when i look at teams that have won championships in the NBA, a good number of them have had dominant defensive C's like Howard anchoring their roster... the thing about these rankings is that it's completely subjective... what u think is a top 3 doesn't make it so for someone else... we're all just giving opinions.