Nalod wrote:

TMS wrote:1 of Gallo/Wilson/Landry + AR (or 1st rd pick) + cash (or 1st rd pick) + expirings = no brainer
2 of Gallo/Wilson/Landry + etc. = depends on DW's other moves
all 3 of Gallo/Wilson/Landry = wait for free agency

Wow! 3 starters?

? what are you talking about... where did i say i'd trade 3 starters for Melo?

orangeblobman wrote:

Panos wrote:When is the trade deadline so we can see the end of this circus?

February 24, 3:00 pm, Eastern.

That means about 2,000 more Melo threads still to come.

ugh.

gr33d wrote:

TMS wrote:

Nalod wrote:

TMS wrote:1 of Gallo/Wilson/Landry + AR (or 1st rd pick) + cash (or 1st rd pick) + expirings = no brainer
2 of Gallo/Wilson/Landry + etc. = depends on DW's other moves
all 3 of Gallo/Wilson/Landry = wait for free agency

Wow! 3 starters?

? what are you talking about... where did i say i'd trade 3 starters for Melo?

No way we move all three... Nothing to even debate there.

Not so certain we wait for free agency though, but ya never know. I don't see Walsh as in impulse guy, but we could wind up overpaying for a bigman at some point. If Melo accepts the NJ deal before the deadline, then what?

i don't think we wait either... i've always felt that DW would make a trade offer to get Melo to NY this season... i think Dolan will be pushing for that too... of course this all depends on Melo refusing the Nets trade.

after that gets done, all bets are off in terms of what other moves are made... the longterm salary constraints would be lifted & DW might look to make other moves to fill the other holes in the roster (C & backup PG)... that's why i say i think it might depend on what other moves are made to warrant giving up 2 of the 3 young guys on our roster... as it stands i think DW is gonna push like hell to get that Melo trade done while holding onto at least 2 of those guys, so that leaves him with a tradeable asset to use later on to fill other areas.

if Melo ends up being traded to NJ then u gotta figure DW is gonna put his plan B into action & target some bigger name C's... either way, i don't see how this roster remains intact the way we see it today for the rest of the season... everyone is reluctant to give up our young talent, & for good reason, but i don't think it's realistic to think we're gonna hold onto all of them... at some point we're gonna have to make some tough choices in order to improve this team.

Curry, Mozgov, Douglas, Danillo, Azu, Mason, and Walker and whatever you swap Randolph for for Chauncey and Carmelo?

Leaves you with a team of:

C-?
Amare
Carmelo
Fields
Felton

Chandler, Chauncey, Williams, Turiaf, Rautins.

I know. I am trade checker crazy but hear me out.

Denver's side: they get low cost young players in Mozgov, Walker, Gallo, and Douglas. They get a lot of savings in Curry and Azu (if he doesn't play today his contract is 80% covered by insurance), and Mason. They can get rid of Chauncey's 15 mil team option while sending the hometown boy to a championship contender. And if Chauncey wants to go back after the season we opt him out of his deal. And I think Chauncey would be ok coming to a contender. And Denver is off running to it's rebuilding.

Knicks side: get 2 quality players while still maintaining the flexibility to sign Chandler. The bench suddenly looks strong. We are still young with core youth of Chandler and Fields. Chauncey is a vet who knows what it takes. You are really not blowing up any core components of the team.

Step 2 of this plan is to sign a veteran big to play C. Kind of like the Spurs used McDyess as a place holder as their starting PF/C.

Immediate available options: a guy like Scott Pollard, maybe take a flyer on Sean Williams

If they wait they can probably get JJskinny back on a vet minimum contract after he is bought out.

Jefferies
Amare
Melo
Fields
Ray

Chandler, Chauncey, Shawne Williams, Turiaf, Sean Williams.

I don't think it is too bad. Oh, and yes this works on trade checker.

Panos wrote:

orangeblobman wrote:

Panos wrote:When is the trade deadline so we can see the end of this circus?

February 24, 3:00 pm, Eastern.

That means about 2,000 more Melo threads still to come.

ugh.

On a side note the Knicks play the Rockets tonight

Nalod wrote:

joec32033 wrote:I voted yes...but after thinking about it and some research, it seems Chauncey has a team option next year. What do you guys think of this:

Curry, Mozgov, Douglas, Danillo, Azu, Mason, and Walker and whatever you swap Randolph for for Chauncey and Carmelo?

Leaves you with a team of:

C-?
Amare
Carmelo
Fields
Felton

Chandler, Chauncey, Williams, Turiaf, Rautins.

I know. I am trade checker crazy but hear me out.

Denver's side: they get low cost young players in Mozgov, Walker, Gallo, and Douglas. They get a lot of savings in Curry and Azu (if he doesn't play today his contract is 80% covered by insurance), and Mason. They can get rid of Chauncey's 15 mil team option while sending the hometown boy to a championship contender. And if Chauncey wants to go back after the season we opt him out of his deal. And I think Chauncey would be ok coming to a contender. And Denver is off running to it's rebuilding.

Knicks side: get 2 quality players while still maintaining the flexibility to sign Chandler. The bench suddenly looks strong. We are still young with core youth of Chandler and Fields. Chauncey is a vet who knows what it takes. You are really not blowing up any core components of the team.

Step 2 of this plan is to sign a veteran big to play C. Kind of like the Spurs used McDyess as a place holder as their starting PF/C.

Immediate available options: a guy like Scott Pollard, maybe take a flyer on Sean Williams

If they wait they can probably get JJskinny back on a vet minimum contract after he is bought out.

Jefferies
Amare
Melo
Fields
Ray

Chandler, Chauncey, Shawne Williams, Turiaf, Sean Williams.

I don't think it is too bad. Oh, and yes this works on trade checker.

That C-? is a big question. Chandler at 7-10 mil a year is a lot for a 6th man. Im paying Melo that kind of scratch Im not thinking having a shooter off the bench is what we are going to need. Gallo both from a financial stand point and more versatile than Chandler makes more sense. Chander has to be signed this summer.

And we still don't address our bigest need. the 5 spot!

I voted "No" not because I don't want Melo, I do, but in a trade situation where Melo is not putting the screws to Nuggs and we have to pay retail for him I think its a potentially a steep price.

Get him here without gutting the team and Im all in.

We need glue guys. Walker and Williams are nice players but not glue.

Im also on board to keep developing Gallo. Not saying he is better than Melo, just like the kids game and how its evolving.

IF nets don't need an extension to make the deal, Melo is gone.

Actually I think that a more consistent bench is what we need. I agree we need a C too in the worst way and if you get one it actually strengthens the bench because Gallo or Will would move there. The thing is the C position is Mike's system may be the least important position, imo. Centers with range are relatively rare to the other 4 positions and Mike made do with converted PF's and Boris Diaw who played SF in ATL. I think wasting 7-10 mil on a center in this system is not an efficient use of the cap.

There are very few top tier C's that would fit, IMO. Pau Gasol is tailor made for Mike. A guy like Camby would have been nice. A guy like Dalembert would be nice. But spending a lot of money on a guy that is just going to rebound, defend, and facilitate the offense is not a wise way to go, imo.

I think Jefferies fits, using my SA comparison, all they did was plug a role player who can concentrate on certain aspects in next to Duncan and it worked.

Take a guy like Kaman. Top dollar 20-10 guy. Here he would 15 points -maybe- as a 3rd option, if that. If you can get a guy like Jefferies-if- for that role for the vet minimum it is a wise move.

As for Chandler I think he is better fit off the bench. Very versatile and his production doesn't suffer. I go back to the SA model. Manu can start for just about every team-including his own but he sat behind one dimensional guys like Bowen and Ime Udoka at one point I think. If I get Chandler's current production off the bench I would gladly pay the price and it makes the team stronger. And this is coming from someone who likes Gallo more.

skeng wrote:yes, under the current circumstances

It's becoming painfully obvious that more pieces are needed to make this team whole. Have to go with the constant, as opposed to the maybe

Nalod wrote:

orangeblobman wrote:Well, polls are flawed because you don't know anything about the quality of the person that's casting a vote.

Wha?

Well the quality of the each vote is not equal.

For example, you could have 5 very stupid people voting for Melo and one very intelligent person voting against Melo.