MS wrote:It's am embarrassment that all we got for David Lee was Ronny Turiaf a great role player that can't stay healthy. This one is on Walsh. Youtube and box scores indicated this kid had talent, but if you knew you weren't signing Lee you needed to get a better package.

He doesn't seem to understand that in order to play he needs to rebound and block shots and just be active around the rim. He should be able to provide some minutes and give Amare a break. I don't know how you can be so wrong about a kid and not do your home work.

That being said, it's hard to really know unless you have been benched and are not party of a team to see how you would react. It really destroys your confidence when it happens and it's tough to show positive behavior. It's easy to slam a guy, but you start to doubt yourself and a part of you dies.

David Lee is worth more than a late round pick and 40 games out of a Turiaf.

i can't place any blame for this on DW... after the season AR had last year i don't see why anyone would have felt he'd get zero playing time on the Knicks... i didn't hear anyone bashing the trade when it went down, everyone thought we got a great young player that could become a star in NY in that trade... it didn't work out for 1 reason or another... i'm sure DW doesn't make that trade in the first place if he knew AR wouldn't be seeing any playing time here.

CrushAlot wrote:

umynot wrote:MDA was giving everyone but Ruatins and Curry minutes early ....

I remember in pre-season AR getting bulk minutes with first unit.

He got hurt and really never did much when he was playing.

We were 3-8 and the coach asked 8 guys to step up and help him win.....

AR has not stepped up......... Mason hit 43 straight 3's in practice b4 Utah game
and got minutes.... Walker and Wiilliams kill it in practice and play!

TD chucks way too much for my liking but he hustles and gets to play.

Point is if AR plays hard in practice and proves he belongs he will play if not
he will be traded again...... I had my doubts bout how Nelson treated this kid and
after seeing how he treated Webber I thought maybe we were robbing GS .

AR could be like Jermaine O"Neal and Tracy MacGrady and blossom late which is likely.

I for 1 still think he could still be a GREAT KNICK but he needs to get that no one else!

If he starts playing well against Amare in practice he will be like TD last year and get to play
if he is not traded first.

He certainly has been very disappointing but I don't think he was ever given a chance. He played in 9 consecutive games and averaged under 9 minutes for all but 1 of them. I think he found his way into the doghouse pretty early on and there is no way out for him in NY. I think it would be wrong to think that this wasn't on both guys involved.

Even in the Park if you can play u will

I can't see AR killing it and not playing.

How is Fields playing?....... Williams?

How is Walker getting minutes?..... TD?

Do you believe the coach wants to lose?..... That makes no sense

AR is pouting instead of beasting and Coach believes millionaires should be more action
then words....... I agree with him

And again I also believe if light bulb turns on in AR head today I see coach playing him!!

umynot wrote:

TMS wrote:

MS wrote:It's am embarrassment that all we got for David Lee was Ronny Turiaf a great role player that can't stay healthy. This one is on Walsh. Youtube and box scores indicated this kid had talent, but if you knew you weren't signing Lee you needed to get a better package.

He doesn't seem to understand that in order to play he needs to rebound and block shots and just be active around the rim. He should be able to provide some minutes and give Amare a break. I don't know how you can be so wrong about a kid and not do your home work.

That being said, it's hard to really know unless you have been benched and are not party of a team to see how you would react. It really destroys your confidence when it happens and it's tough to show positive behavior. It's easy to slam a guy, but you start to doubt yourself and a part of you dies.

David Lee is worth more than a late round pick and 40 games out of a Turiaf.

i can't place any blame for this on DW... after the season AR had last year i don't see why anyone would have felt he'd get zero playing time on the Knicks... i didn't hear anyone bashing the trade when it went down, everyone thought we got a great young player that could become a star in NY in that trade... it didn't work out for 1 reason or another... i'm sure DW doesn't make that trade in the first place if he knew AR wouldn't be seeing any playing time here.

I had a woody when we got this kid...... Coach was excited too

No one envisioned this

+1 on the woody.

umynot wrote:

Travla wrote:Dantoni simply doesn't like Randolph and it's a personal thing. Everyone one on this team makes mistakes and misses assignments. If he wanted Randolph to play, he simply has to tell him what he wants (hustle, play defense and no offense unless it's putbacks or tip-ins), it's that simple, Randolph could simply play like Turiaf does and if Randolf doesn't want to do that, then he has to go....to the bench or somewhere else. This guy came here with a ton of upside, were some many coaches, players and others all dilusional?? Randolph is young and raw but he cannot refine his game on the bench. This kid will learn to reign it in and it's a shame he'll have to do it elsewhere.

If all you say is true why did Jeffries play last year?

This is on AR man not the coach........ again if he plays well in practice he will play in a game till
then he is this year Milicic

The 6-foot-11 Randolph is out of coach Mike D’Antoni’s rotation and a source said it was “expected” that Randolph would be traded soon.

“I’ve talked to Billy,” Walsh said of Duffy. “He knows I like Anthony’s game. We’ll do what’s right for the kid. Gotta see what happens.”

technomaster wrote:Is there any sense that Randolph is getting better/more consistent in practice? That... after half a season of Don Nelson rehab, he'll be ready to contribute (a little bit) in D'Antoni's system?

doesn't sound like it:

(Donnie Walsh) added: “[Duffy] just kind of wants to know what the plan is. I said, ‘Well we like him but if he doesn’t play we’ll have to address it.’”

Walsh has always been high on Randolph, whom he obtained last summer along with Ronny Turiaf and Kelenne Azubuike, for David Lee. Yet Randolph has played in just 14 games this season, averaging 2.0 points and 2.4 rebounds.

“I think he’s got great talent,” Walsh said. “He’s very young. He’s 21 and that’s not ever put in the equation. Obviously, he needs to learn how to use his talent in an NBA game in an efficient way.”

apparently DW still believes in his ability to be a very good player, but recognizes that AR is still very young & still has some learning to do on how to utilize his talents in a game... obviously this is the reason he's not playing right now, but doesn't sound like to me that we're trading this kid because DW has given up on him.

Travla wrote:

Uptown wrote:

Travla wrote:Dantoni simply doesn't like Randolph and it's a personal thing. Everyone one on this team makes mistakes and misses assignments. If he wanted Randolph to play, he simply has to tell him what he wants (hustle, play defense and no offense unless it's putbacks or tip-ins), it's that simple, Randolph could simply play like Turiaf does and if Randolf doesn't want to do that, then he has to go....to the bench or somewhere else. This guy came here with a ton of upside, were some many coaches, players and others all dilusional?? Randolph is young and raw but he cannot refine his game on the bench. This kid will learn to reign it in and it's a shame he'll have to do it elsewhere.

Thats a pretty strong statement. Do you have any quotes to support your comment?

No I don't, it's simply my feelings about it. If I got a player that supossedly has the upside of Randolph, I would work to bring that out ASAP. At the very least I'd have him on the floor doing what Turiaf does, play defense, get rebounds, clog up the middle. This 8 man rotation will come back to bite the team in the coming months. Both Moz and Randolph would be on the floor for about 10 minutes apiece to clog the middle if nothing else.

and after going 3-8 the first 11 games in the season, you would have gone another 3-8 and then would have been fired, right?

Vmart wrote:

orangeblobman wrote:

BigSm00th wrote:i still think MDA could've handled this situation better. it's the coaches job to bring out the talent or fit the talent into the system, no?

He's a coach not a kindergarten teacher.

Coach:
+someone in charge of training an athlete or a team
+a person who gives private instruction
+teach and supervise (someone); act as a trainer

This comments shows you are only a fan with minor information but never been a coach. I was listening into Keith Smart golden state warriors interview and the coach said that he depends on his staff to help manage players as the coach role is managing the team staff (outside of the owners) not just players. Keith Smart before taking over GS warriors coaching was handling players like AR and he is straight forward with them specially when they ask why they are not playing. It was his role when he was assistant to make sure to work on player's skill that will allow them to succeed. In the end, it is a two way street a coach or assistant coach can tell you what you need to work on but the player has to use the knowledge to make sure he moves forward.

martin wrote:

Travla wrote:

martin wrote:

Travla wrote:

Uptown wrote:

Travla wrote:Dantoni simply doesn't like Randolph and it's a personal thing. Everyone one on this team makes mistakes and misses assignments. If he wanted Randolph to play, he simply has to tell him what he wants (hustle, play defense and no offense unless it's putbacks or tip-ins), it's that simple, Randolph could simply play like Turiaf does and if Randolf doesn't want to do that, then he has to go....to the bench or somewhere else. This guy came here with a ton of upside, were some many coaches, players and others all dilusional?? Randolph is young and raw but he cannot refine his game on the bench. This kid will learn to reign it in and it's a shame he'll have to do it elsewhere.

Thats a pretty strong statement. Do you have any quotes to support your comment?

No I don't, it's simply my feelings about it. If I got a player that supossedly has the upside of Randolph, I would work to bring that out ASAP. At the very least I'd have him on the floor doing what Turiaf does, play defense, get rebounds, clog up the middle. This 8 man rotation will come back to bite the team in the coming months. Both Moz and Randolph would be on the floor for about 10 minutes apiece to clog the middle if nothing else.

and after going 3-8 the first 11 games in the season, you would have gone another 3-8 and then would have been fired, right?

No way I'm gonna blame 3-8 on Randolph. STAT hit it on the head, it was a team thing, that losing culture that
they were used to. After he called them out, they responded. Randolphs benching was co-incidental.

so shortening the rotation was coincidental? What about AR's 28% shooting?

you're not trying to peg a 3-8 start on a player who only played in 8 games over that stretch & averaged 11 mpg are u?