iSergio wrote:Carmelo Anthony is 8-4 lifetime against LeCon. Just saying.

0-7 against Dwade in Denver

Childs2Dudley wrote:

TMS wrote:

Childs2Dudley wrote:Bosh is a bitch. He doesn't even count to me. He's only benefiting because of Wade and LeBron at this point. If it was just Bosh and Wade on his team they would be much, much worse.

oh i see now... so take Lebron out of the equation & the Miami Heat are garbage, is that it? gotcha.

Garbage? No. Elite team? No. Great team? No. Good team? Yes.

Maybe not even good. They weren't any good in 2007-08 and were just over .500 in '08-'09. Last year they were good, but this year without James I don't think they're as good as they were the last two seasons. Of course not getting James would have meant they would have gotten other/different players to fill roles, but it's debatable how that duo would fare in the New East.

grillco wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

iSergio wrote:Carmelo Anthony is 8-4 lifetime against LeCon. Just saying.

0-7 against Dwade in Denver

How can that be, since they just won?

lol..I mean melo is 7-o against wade in denver...DON"T GIVE ME A HARD TIME..you know what I mean

Paladin55 wrote:Can't find as much significance in this game as there might have been since James was out, and the Heat were coming off of a tough loss the night before on a Western swing road trip (they probably got home from the Clipper game at about 3 AM Eastern time).

Always good to see the Heat lose, though.

Thats because there isnt any significance. Its funny how guys cry and bitch about Briggs creating new threads for the guys he likes then do the exact same thing for Melo. Good stuff.

You put this poll question on any major sports site, and 90% of the world would agree with this.

Paladin55 wrote:Can't find as much significance in this game as there might have been since James was out, and the Heat were coming off of a tough loss the night before on a Western swing road trip (they probably got home from the Clipper game at about 3 AM Eastern time).

Always good to see the Heat lose, though.

According to the announcers last night they got to denver 4am

dallas, la clippers and nuggets. SIZE.

dallas has tyson chandler and brendan haywood and dirk. LA Clipse have Blake and Deandre Jordan. Denver has Nene and Kmart.

i think it'd be far more valuable to chase Deandre Jordan or Nene in the off-season.

Vmart wrote:

crzymdups wrote:what's the similarity in the last three teams to beat the heat?

dallas, la clippers and nuggets. SIZE.

dallas has tyson chandler and brendan haywood and dirk. LA Clipse have Blake and Deandre Jordan. Denver has Nene and Kmart.

i think it'd be far more valuable to chase Deandre Jordan or Nene in the off-season.

I agree with everything you say we need to utilize height. But our coach is not a believer of that. Deandre he would never see the light of day on the Knicks. Nene might see some but as you have seen MDA is quick to move away from anything center oriented and quickly goes back to what he is comfortable with which is small ball.

i think the key for MDA is to find a center he can live with. indications are that he'd like Marc Gasol, but he may be hard to get as Memphis will match any offer a la Rudy Gay.

so who else? i think Nene is viable because he's played the running game in Denver and he can hit the mid-range jumper.

Deandre seems to play a running game in LA, but is more limited offensively. but is he more limited than Turiaf who does well for us here?

crzymdups wrote:what's the similarity in the last three teams to beat the heat?

dallas, la clippers and nuggets. SIZE.

dallas has tyson chandler and brendan haywood and dirk. LA Clipse have Blake and Deandre Jordan. Denver has Nene and Kmart.

i think it'd be far more valuable to chase Deandre Jordan or Nene in the off-season.

Don't forget Balkman and Birdman.

JrZyHuStLa wrote:Melo > any Knick besides Amar'e.

You put this poll question on any major sports site, and 90% of the world would agree with this.

would that be the same 90% of the sports world that voted Yao Ming starter in the all star game?

Vmart wrote:

fishmike wrote:

Vmart wrote:

crzymdups wrote:what's the similarity in the last three teams to beat the heat?

dallas, la clippers and nuggets. SIZE.

dallas has tyson chandler and brendan haywood and dirk. LA Clipse have Blake and Deandre Jordan. Denver has Nene and Kmart.

i think it'd be far more valuable to chase Deandre Jordan or Nene in the off-season.

I agree with everything you say we need to utilize height. But our coach is not a believer of that. Deandre he would never see the light of day on the Knicks. Nene might see some but as you have seen MDA is quick to move away from anything center oriented and quickly goes back to what he is comfortable with which is small ball.

Thats where your wrong and where the get Melo no matter what crew just starts making stuff up. Last I checked MDA started a rookie 7 foot center over Chandler. The reason Mosgov is benched is because he played poorly. What MDA does is play the best players he has. AR and Mosgov (and Darko and Hill for that matter) were not good players here. Its really that simple. Mosgov's size, while needed does not make him a better player than Chandler or the other guys in the rotation.

What we need is QUALITY size.

VMart I have no problem with Melo to NY. Never once have. Its always been about cost and whats best for the team. Paying $20mm to a wing who's a mediocre defender and shoots in the low 40s when we are already loaded at the position doesnt make sense to me. Its crystal clear the two things holding the Knicks back are defense and rebounding, neither of which Melo is in the elite group in.

If we get him for one rotation guy (Chandler, Fields or Gallo) one prospect (Mos, AR, Douglas) and expiring contract (Curry or Azu) then I'm all for it.

You guys always skirt this part of the discussion and revert to: a) fishmike hates Melo or b) Melo is better than Gallo or some other player.

Right now the market for Melo would cost us Chandler, Fields, Gallo and expiring contracts plus take back some crap like Al Harrington. Sorry, but thats a BAD deal for the Knicks, doesnt make us better and locks us into being the 3rd or 4th best team in the East while paying Amare/Melo $40mm the next few years.

But if you like we can just ignore that and talk about how great Melo is. Like this one goes to 11

Fish, your wrong on the center thing. MDA has problems utilizing centers. He had Shaq and found it difficult to utlize Shaq in Phoenix. He may give a player a chance but he will always find a way to revert back to what he is comfortable with, and that is a fact. He can't handle a legit center. He can't do anything with that. He would rather go with a PF as his center, he has been doing that for sometime now and that is why I laugh at all these we need a center trip that this board goes through he is not going to utilize any center that you bring in to the fullest. Right now I'll take the wins any way they come so I'm not going to fault MDA to much, but come playoff time that is going to be a huge problem for the Knicks. Deep down this small ball game is fools gold and eventually it will catch up to the Knicks.

As for the Melo thing, I don't worry about giving to much for him because Walsh knows his value better that most on this board. He will get Melo here and it will be a fair deal. But he has to bring in Melo that is a must for the KNicks to even think about championships in the near future.

Even with Melo on the team, we'll still need rebounding, defense, and a backup PG for Felton. We'll have a much smaller budget to work with to fill those needs. That's what's worrying people.

Shaq was super washed up by the time he got to Phoenix. You keep saying that MDA won't play a center, even if he's good. I don't understand what you're basing that on. I get what you're saying that MDA in Phoenix and in NY has a history of playing Amare at C but I don't really think he had a better option in terms of trying to win games. You're making it sound like if MDA had Dwight Howard or Pau Gasol on this team he wouldn't play them because then Amare has to play PF.