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1/14/2011  8:31 AM    LAST EDITED: 1/14/2011  9:31 AM
OK, I never do these but here goes:

http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=4kdbfkd

Basically
NY gets Melo, Demarre Carrol
Memphis gets NoSharrington, Anthony Randolph
Denver gets Mayo, Young from Memphis
Chandler, Curry and Douglas from NY
2014 First Round Pick

Why NY - Obvious - Only Chandler and Douglas are from the current Rotation. Chandler is replaced by Melo. Rautins or Mason can take over for TD or they can get a backup PG some other way.
Why Memphis - Trade Mayo & Young and get Randolph, Harrington Youth and scoring
Why Denver - Rid themselves of Harrington's Deal,
Get 3 Young players that are good and Young who is a throw in.

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1/14/2011  8:59 AM
Melo is not coming to the knicks via any trade, nor is he going to the nets...Trust me I have very good sources
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1/14/2011  9:00 AM
knicks1248 wrote:Melo is not coming to the knicks via any trade, nor is he going to the nets...Trust me I have very good sources

That is the way I think that it is best for the Knicks. They would only lose Chandler in that case. AR and others could then be dealt for a solid C.

What are your sources?

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1/14/2011  9:24 AM
Uptown wrote:Couple of things concern me. First, I noticed Rip Hamilton didn't play in the last game whihc was the first DNP in years for him. Could Detroit be holding him out because a trade is imminent? Also, I hate the idea of Melo dealing with World Wide Wes who has his own agenda in delivering Melo to the Nyets. Not to mention Rose is more concerned about the money and Rip being shipped out of a bad situation. Hopefully Melo doesn't submit and realizes that those self-serving agents work for him and not the other way around. In fact, Melo would be better off foring those guys because they surely dont have hin best interests in mind.

Who is Tim Duncan's agent? I bet Duncan has a great agent.

WE AIN'T NOWHERE WITH THIS BUM CHOKER IN CARMELO. GIVE ME STARKS'S 2-21 ANY DAY OVER THIS LACKLUSTER CLUSTEREFF.
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1/14/2011  10:13 AM
Why don't we just take Mayo for our own team. I would love Mayo on the Knicks.

Give this team a guy who can create his own shot, a backup PG and a center and they are good to go.

Mayo fills the first bill. And leaves enough money to sign Nene this summer.

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1/14/2011  10:20 AM
knicks1248 wrote:Melo is not coming to the knicks via any trade, nor is he going to the nets...Trust me I have very good sources

So where is he going??

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1/14/2011  10:21 AM
iSergio wrote:
knicks1248 wrote:Melo is not coming to the knicks via any trade, nor is he going to the nets...Trust me I have very good sources

So where is he going??

What are your sources?

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1/14/2011  10:25 AM
crzymdups wrote:Why don't we just take Mayo for our own team. I would love Mayo on the Knicks.

Give this team a guy who can create his own shot, a backup PG and a center and they are good to go.

Mayo fills the first bill. And leaves enough money to sign Nene this summer.

That's actually not a bad plan B. OJ Mayo was my favorite player that year in college and I really wanted us to move up and draft him. He's a very good player and will only get better and can easily play part-time PG off the bench. I'm not a big fan of Nene but he'll probably be the most realistic option at Center this summer. Memphis will keep and match for Marc Gasol and I doubt Boston losses Kendrick Perskins. And DeAndre Jordan is a backup.

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1/14/2011  10:28 AM
iSergio wrote:
crzymdups wrote:Why don't we just take Mayo for our own team. I would love Mayo on the Knicks.

Give this team a guy who can create his own shot, a backup PG and a center and they are good to go.

Mayo fills the first bill. And leaves enough money to sign Nene this summer.

That's actually not a bad plan B. OJ Mayo was my favorite player that year in college and I really wanted us to move up and draft him. He's a very good player and will only get better and can easily play part-time PG off the bench. I'm not a big fan of Nene but he'll probably be the most realistic option at Center this summer. Memphis will keep and match for Marc Gasol and I doubt Boston losses Kendrick Perskins. And DeAndre Jordan is a backup.

I wouldn't be surprised if this reach out to the Grizz is a small misdirection by Walsh or misread by whomever published the report and Walsh is indeed targeting Mayo to bring to NY.

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1/14/2011  10:40 AM
martin wrote:
iSergio wrote:
crzymdups wrote:Why don't we just take Mayo for our own team. I would love Mayo on the Knicks.

Give this team a guy who can create his own shot, a backup PG and a center and they are good to go.

Mayo fills the first bill. And leaves enough money to sign Nene this summer.

That's actually not a bad plan B. OJ Mayo was my favorite player that year in college and I really wanted us to move up and draft him. He's a very good player and will only get better and can easily play part-time PG off the bench. I'm not a big fan of Nene but he'll probably be the most realistic option at Center this summer. Memphis will keep and match for Marc Gasol and I doubt Boston losses Kendrick Perskins. And DeAndre Jordan is a backup.

I wouldn't be surprised if this reach out to the Grizz is a small misdirection by Walsh or misread by whomever published the report and Walsh is indeed targeting Mayo to bring to NY.

OJ would be a massive upgrade from TD. I think he can play back up PG as well as along side with Ray. Then we could move TD for an ending contract big.

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1/14/2011  10:42 AM    LAST EDITED: 1/14/2011  10:43 AM
orangeblobman wrote:
iSergio wrote:
knicks1248 wrote:Melo is not coming to the knicks via any trade, nor is he going to the nets...Trust me I have very good sources

So where is he going??

What are your sources?

Really doesn't matter who my sources are, even that could be BS, but let look at some facts

1)The more we play well, the more willing Donnie is to leave as is
2)Donnie is not taking back a couple of suspect contracts like Al and Billups .
3)yahoo sports, fanhouse.com, ESPN, associated press, all have been milking this story like a cow
4)you will see MJ with dreads before you see melo in NJ
5)Melo is either going to ride it out in denver, or hitch on to a contender with out signing a extension, HE WANTS to play in NY By any means, and does not want the team gutted for him.

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1/14/2011  10:58 AM    LAST EDITED: 1/14/2011  10:59 AM
martin wrote:
iSergio wrote:
crzymdups wrote:Why don't we just take Mayo for our own team. I would love Mayo on the Knicks.

Give this team a guy who can create his own shot, a backup PG and a center and they are good to go.

Mayo fills the first bill. And leaves enough money to sign Nene this summer.

That's actually not a bad plan B. OJ Mayo was my favorite player that year in college and I really wanted us to move up and draft him. He's a very good player and will only get better and can easily play part-time PG off the bench. I'm not a big fan of Nene but he'll probably be the most realistic option at Center this summer. Memphis will keep and match for Marc Gasol and I doubt Boston losses Kendrick Perskins. And DeAndre Jordan is a backup.

I wouldn't be surprised if this reach out to the Grizz is a small misdirection by Walsh or misread by whomever published the report and Walsh is indeed targeting Mayo to bring to NY.

Was thinking the exact same thing yesterday. Go over this with me for a sec --- say we don't get Melo but instead traded for OJ Mayo --- would we theoretically have enough cap to add Mayo via trade ($5.632M next year per Hoopshype), resign Wilson Chandler in the off-season AND THEN ALSO have enough money left over to make a competitive offer to a big like DeAndre Jordan? I mean that wouldn't be a terrible plan B -- we get a very talented 6th man to lead the 2nd team (who knows, maybe Mayo would start here, all due respect to Fields), resign Chandler and also get an ultra-athletic young big man to plug in next to Amar'e to help out with the dirty work..Fairly complete team right there.

I'd love to find out definitively sometime soon whether or not Melo to NY is a realistic, viable option for us or just fantasy..We really have to find out. If not, I'm prepared to move on to other things.

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1/14/2011  11:08 AM
Finestrg wrote:
martin wrote:
iSergio wrote:
crzymdups wrote:Why don't we just take Mayo for our own team. I would love Mayo on the Knicks.

Give this team a guy who can create his own shot, a backup PG and a center and they are good to go.

Mayo fills the first bill. And leaves enough money to sign Nene this summer.

That's actually not a bad plan B. OJ Mayo was my favorite player that year in college and I really wanted us to move up and draft him. He's a very good player and will only get better and can easily play part-time PG off the bench. I'm not a big fan of Nene but he'll probably be the most realistic option at Center this summer. Memphis will keep and match for Marc Gasol and I doubt Boston losses Kendrick Perskins. And DeAndre Jordan is a backup.

I wouldn't be surprised if this reach out to the Grizz is a small misdirection by Walsh or misread by whomever published the report and Walsh is indeed targeting Mayo to bring to NY.

Was thinking the exact same thing yesterday. Go over this with me for a sec --- say we don't get Melo but instead traded for OJ Mayo --- would we theoretically have enough cap to add Mayo via trade ($5.632M next year per Hoopshype), resign Wilson Chandler in the off-season AND THEN ALSO have enough money left over to make a competitive offer to a big like DeAndre Jordan? I mean that wouldn't be a terrible plan B -- we get a very talented 6th man to lead the 2nd team (who knows, maybe Mayo would start here, all due respect to Fields), resign Chandler and also get an ultra-athletic young big man to plug in next to Amar'e to help out with the dirty work..Fairly complete team right there.

I'd love to find out definitively sometime soon whether or not Melo to NY is a realistic, viable option for us or just fantasy..We really have to find out. If not, I'm prepared to move on to other things.

it depends on the cap and who you want on the team, but I think yes.


Amare 18.2
Chandler 6.3
Gallo 4.2
Felton 7.6
Fields 0.8

Mayo 5.6
Turiaf 4.3
Moz 3.3
Williams 0.8
Rautins 0.8
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Walker 0.8
TD 1.2
AR 2
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1/14/2011  11:13 AM
martin wrote:
Finestrg wrote:
martin wrote:
iSergio wrote:
crzymdups wrote:Why don't we just take Mayo for our own team. I would love Mayo on the Knicks.

Give this team a guy who can create his own shot, a backup PG and a center and they are good to go.

Mayo fills the first bill. And leaves enough money to sign Nene this summer.

That's actually not a bad plan B. OJ Mayo was my favorite player that year in college and I really wanted us to move up and draft him. He's a very good player and will only get better and can easily play part-time PG off the bench. I'm not a big fan of Nene but he'll probably be the most realistic option at Center this summer. Memphis will keep and match for Marc Gasol and I doubt Boston losses Kendrick Perskins. And DeAndre Jordan is a backup.

I wouldn't be surprised if this reach out to the Grizz is a small misdirection by Walsh or misread by whomever published the report and Walsh is indeed targeting Mayo to bring to NY.

Was thinking the exact same thing yesterday. Go over this with me for a sec --- say we don't get Melo but instead traded for OJ Mayo --- would we theoretically have enough cap to add Mayo via trade ($5.632M next year per Hoopshype), resign Wilson Chandler in the off-season AND THEN ALSO have enough money left over to make a competitive offer to a big like DeAndre Jordan? I mean that wouldn't be a terrible plan B -- we get a very talented 6th man to lead the 2nd team (who knows, maybe Mayo would start here, all due respect to Fields), resign Chandler and also get an ultra-athletic young big man to plug in next to Amar'e to help out with the dirty work..Fairly complete team right there.

I'd love to find out definitively sometime soon whether or not Melo to NY is a realistic, viable option for us or just fantasy..We really have to find out. If not, I'm prepared to move on to other things.

it depends on the cap and who you want on the team, but I think yes.


Amare 18.2
Chandler 6.3
Gallo 4.2
Felton 7.6
Fields 0.8

Mayo 5.6
Turiaf 4.3
Moz 3.3
Williams 0.8
Rautins 0.8
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Walker 0.8
TD 1.2
AR 2
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just outta curiousity - who are we trading to get mayo if we have him, gallo, fields, chandler, AR all on the roster?

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1/14/2011  11:36 AM
Finestrg wrote:Go over this with me for a sec --- say we don't get Melo but instead traded for OJ Mayo --- would we theoretically have enough cap to add Mayo via trade ($5.632M next year per Hoopshype), resign Wilson Chandler in the off-season AND THEN ALSO have enough money left over to make a competitive offer to a big like DeAndre Jordan? I mean that wouldn't be a terrible plan B

The problem with the plan is it hinges on what the Clippers do. Formulating a plan that assumes a team will let a free agent under their control go is likely not wise. Jordan has been playing very well lately as have the Clips. If they finish the year strong, it would be hard to see the Clippers deciding not to match a what? $8m or so starting contract.

Yes, you can argue that Sterling is a moron and the Clips are cheap, but you're still planning on something entirely out of your own control.

Same more or less applies to Gasol.

Nene has a player option. Camby is under contract.

Perkins, Mohammed and Dalembert are the only guys free and clear to sign. Not sure if any qualify as a "plan B". D maybe.

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1/14/2011  11:41 AM
Melo needs to speak up and pretty much let the Nuggets know he doesn't want Nets and will not sign the extension. Until he says that the Knicks are not in the picture.
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1/14/2011  1:12 PM
martin wrote:
Finestrg wrote:
martin wrote:
iSergio wrote:
crzymdups wrote:Why don't we just take Mayo for our own team. I would love Mayo on the Knicks.

Give this team a guy who can create his own shot, a backup PG and a center and they are good to go.

Mayo fills the first bill. And leaves enough money to sign Nene this summer.

That's actually not a bad plan B. OJ Mayo was my favorite player that year in college and I really wanted us to move up and draft him. He's a very good player and will only get better and can easily play part-time PG off the bench. I'm not a big fan of Nene but he'll probably be the most realistic option at Center this summer. Memphis will keep and match for Marc Gasol and I doubt Boston losses Kendrick Perskins. And DeAndre Jordan is a backup.

I wouldn't be surprised if this reach out to the Grizz is a small misdirection by Walsh or misread by whomever published the report and Walsh is indeed targeting Mayo to bring to NY.

Was thinking the exact same thing yesterday. Go over this with me for a sec --- say we don't get Melo but instead traded for OJ Mayo --- would we theoretically have enough cap to add Mayo via trade ($5.632M next year per Hoopshype), resign Wilson Chandler in the off-season AND THEN ALSO have enough money left over to make a competitive offer to a big like DeAndre Jordan? I mean that wouldn't be a terrible plan B -- we get a very talented 6th man to lead the 2nd team (who knows, maybe Mayo would start here, all due respect to Fields), resign Chandler and also get an ultra-athletic young big man to plug in next to Amar'e to help out with the dirty work..Fairly complete team right there.

I'd love to find out definitively sometime soon whether or not Melo to NY is a realistic, viable option for us or just fantasy..We really have to find out. If not, I'm prepared to move on to other things.

it depends on the cap and who you want on the team, but I think yes.


Amare 18.2
Chandler 6.3
Gallo 4.2
Felton 7.6
Fields 0.8

Mayo 5.6
Turiaf 4.3
Moz 3.3
Williams 0.8
Rautins 0.8
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51.9


Walker 0.8
TD 1.2
AR 2
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I love this plan as a realistic plan B.

Pursue Mayo and Nene. Let Mozgov go - his deal is not guaranteed for next year. that would mean we'd have about $11M to offer Nene in year one.

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1/14/2011  1:25 PM
crzymdups wrote:Pursue Mayo and Nene. Let Mozgov go - his deal is not guaranteed for next year. that would mean we'd have about $11M to offer Nene in year one.

Nene has a player option for 2011.

And Mozgov IS guaranteed. Shamsports.com has the exact details of his contract. The 3rd year is only 45% guaranteed. Early reports of the 2nd year being unguaranteed were inaccurate.

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1/14/2011  1:32 PM
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The Knicks will also need at least one first-round draft pick to grab Denver's attention, and New York is confident it can get such a pick for Anthony Randolph from one of several clubs. Sources say Indiana was willing to trade a first-round pick to New York for Randolph last summer.

If we ship AR off to Minny for a 1st, who do we send to Memphis for Mayo?


From a Knicks perspective I would think they'd offer something like this.

Randolph/Buike/2nd Rounder for Mayo.

Mayo/Gallo/2014 1st rounder for Melo.

I don't see the Knicks offering any combination of (3) from the likes of Randolph, Gallo, Chandler and Fields.

I think Walsh converts Randolph into Mayo and offers Mayo in combination with Gallo and maybe a future pick (2014). Maybe Douglas is part of the deal and we get back an Anthony Carter.

Memphis could have an interest in Randolph as they are likely to let Zach Randolph move on.

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1/14/2011  1:39 PM
BRIGGS wrote:
martin wrote:
iSergio wrote:
crzymdups wrote:Why don't we just take Mayo for our own team. I would love Mayo on the Knicks.

Give this team a guy who can create his own shot, a backup PG and a center and they are good to go.

Mayo fills the first bill. And leaves enough money to sign Nene this summer.

That's actually not a bad plan B. OJ Mayo was my favorite player that year in college and I really wanted us to move up and draft him. He's a very good player and will only get better and can easily play part-time PG off the bench. I'm not a big fan of Nene but he'll probably be the most realistic option at Center this summer. Memphis will keep and match for Marc Gasol and I doubt Boston losses Kendrick Perskins. And DeAndre Jordan is a backup.

I wouldn't be surprised if this reach out to the Grizz is a small misdirection by Walsh or misread by whomever published the report and Walsh is indeed targeting Mayo to bring to NY.

OJ would be a massive upgrade from TD. I think he can play back up PG as well as along side with Ray. Then we could move TD for an ending contract big.

He's not a point guard Briggs - I thought he could be a good bigger point guard when he was in college but he's proven he's not a point guard during his career. He telegraphs passes and makes poor decisions with the ball when he looks to pass. His handle is also - just adequate and he isn't great at getting into the paint. In fact he settles for low % shots very often.

OJ was one of my favorite players coming out of college but he's been dissapointing in the pros. I think he'd be pefect as our primary scorer off the bench behind Fields. I suppose he could potentially play some point guard in our system -- not sold on that though. Not sold on Douglas either.

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