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BRIGGS wrote:

TMS wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:

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Panos wrote:I haven't watched Jordan, but if he's as good as you're making him out to be, I'm all in with him and picking up O.J. Mayo, and passing on Melo.

he's really not... he's OK as an athletic big body off the bench, but he sucks at defensive recognition & clueless on offense.

Sometimes I question if you even watch basketball--have you seen the Clippers play in the last couple of weeks?

i watched practically their entire season last year... i think i've seen enough of him to formulate an educated opinion... every player in the NBA can look great over a short stretch... Turiaf looked like a monster last night, do u think that's gonna continue over the long haul?... Deandre Jordan is a very athletically gifted big with great finishing ability around the rim & rebounding skills & has some good upside, but he's also as yet very raw, has no polished offensive game & his defensive recognition is nowhere near where it should be to consider him a viable starting option on a championship contender IMO... feel free to disagree but trust me i wouldn't even comment on this kid if i haven't seen him play enough to formulate my opinions.

Youre right hes raw offensively yet also leading the NBA in FG%. Just like we saw with turiaf last night--put a player who can finish in the position to finish and they will score double digits easy. Deandre Jordan on this team would average 13-13-4 65% is that a starting quality C?

he's leading the NBA in FG % because he's getting all his points off dunks & tipins dude... Turiaf, as limted offensively as he is, is actually a more polished offensive player than Jordan is... u can believe that or not, but IMO Turiaf has much better play recognition & court awareness than D Jordan has demonstrated ever in his NBA career... that's not to say i think Turiaf is a better player... Jordan is way more physically gifted & will put up better numbers oon average, but he is still very young & raw & needs a lot more seasoning before i can consider him a good option as a starting C on a championship contending team... he's nowhere near where Andrew Bynum was last year for example, who had actually began to develop a nice low post game & footwork around the rim thanks to his work with Kareem... & yet u think D Jordan is already gonna average better #'s than Bynum ever has? sorry, i just don't see it... this kid still needs a lot more developing on his fundamentals before u can pencil him in for 13 / 13 / 4 every single night dude... let's get real.

BRIGGS, u get way over excited about these young kids with big physical gifts... Hasheem Thabeet, BJ Mullens, Hassan Whiteside, Deandre Jordan... you project them to be top 5 players after they have a stretch of 5 games where they put up double doubles... personally i try to wait & see how they fare over a full season before i get overly excited over their prospects... when i've watched D Jordan play, the only things i've come away impressed with are his raw physical gifts... his game has a lot left to be desired... not to say he'll never be a good player, but he's still a ways off from getting there IMO.

You're right Turiaf is a more polished offensive player--although he only shows it once in awhile. That being said his physical gifts are now turning into massive production with extended PT experience and keeping out of foul trouble(his biggest problem) Very few players in the NBA are capable of putting up the production he has in the last 4-5 games. Yes its a sample but of the highest brand. And we have the luxury to sit back for 50 more games and watch the whole NBA go so we haev an open mind. I think Jordan is very capable of being a 13-13 4 player here and I think over the next 40 or so games he will more than proof it. At that time the Knicks have to determine what they need to allocate funds on--meaning what do they need to put them over the top. I think when we are fully stocked with Gallo-we have so much scoring potential and production--that we just dont need another SF whatever that name be less LBJ. We need that double-double-2/3 we saw last night. I look at the investment on a 22 year old player with his physical gifts(and corresponding production) a good move--lets see how it plays out.

BRIGGS wrote:and the best one in FA will be Deandre Jordan.

Again Clippers with a big time help game from D Jordan beat a team we got whipped by. Everyone wants to over-focus on one player but I hope we keep our own options open. Jordan is only 22 and if he can play like this now--hes going to be a monster in the middle. We need to get amare and felton help for both them and the team--but lets get as much cap space as we can opened up for next year as well.

JrZyHuStLa wrote:DeAndre Jordan will never be an all star. Chill out briggs.

We dont need an all star and I would not make a bold statement like that--why couldnt he be an all start one day hes 22.. we need a C who can give us 13-13-3 and he can do that. Its not about one guy its about team and team concept having balance on both sides of the ball we score enough points we dont have a reliable 7 footer who can get us those type sof numbers or close to it.. I think t he Knicks best option if to clear and open as much cap space as they can for next year.

BRIGGS wrote:

JrZyHuStLa wrote:DeAndre Jordan will never be an all star. Chill out briggs.

We dont need an all star and I would not make a bold statement like that--why couldnt he be an all start one day hes 22.. we need a C who can give us 13-13-3 and he can do that. Its not about one guy its about team and team concept having balance on both sides of the ball we score enough points we dont have a reliable 7 footer who can get us those type sof numbers or close to it.. I think t he Knicks best option if to clear and open as much cap space as they can for next year.

Bynum is way ahead of Jordan in his development as an NBA C & he hasn't been able to put up 13 / 13 / 3 ever in his career... #'s like that aren't easy to get out of any player much less a raw 22 yo who still has a lot of work to do on his fundamentals.

BRIGGS wrote:

TMS wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:

JrZyHuStLa wrote:DeAndre Jordan will never be an all star. Chill out briggs.

We dont need an all star and I would not make a bold statement like that--why couldnt he be an all start one day hes 22.. we need a C who can give us 13-13-3 and he can do that. Its not about one guy its about team and team concept having balance on both sides of the ball we score enough points we dont have a reliable 7 footer who can get us those type sof numbers or close to it.. I think t he Knicks best option if to clear and open as much cap space as they can for next year.

Bynum is way ahead of Jordan in his development as an NBA C & he hasn't been able to put up 13 / 13 / 3 ever in his career... #'s like that aren't easy to get out of any player much less a raw 22 yo who still has a lot of work to do on his fundamentals.

Bynum if never injured would already be a 25-13 guy and a top 5 player. When you have 4 serious knee injuries you will never reach what you couldve been. That being said Jordan is a different player. I think as people watch his development the rest of the year--you will see what Im talking about. What he does is clog the paint blocks/alter shots is starting to rebound the ball at a very high rate and convert his opportunity at a high % Hes a perfect C compliment for amare.

currently there is only one NBA C averaging 13 rebounds a night - Dwight Howard... the next closest is Emeka Okafor at 10.2 per contest... there are no other NBA C's averaging double figure rebounds... D Jordan has had a terrific short run of games of late but he is not going to produce like that on a nightly basis.

& we don't need a C who will clog the paint... what we need is a C who can play off the ball & play good help defense... someone who won't clog up the lane so that Amare has the proper spacing to do his thing inside.

BigSm00th wrote:ty chandler is averaging 9/9/1.2 this year and is FAR AND AWAY the leader in FG%. he is a natural C who focuses on D and rebounding. true professional and you know what you're going to get from him. by far better than de andre jordan or andrew bynum!

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BigSm00th wrote:ty chandler is averaging 9/9/1.2 this year and is FAR AND AWAY the leader in FG%. he is a natural C who focuses on D and rebounding. true professional and you know what you're going to get from him. by far better than de andre jordan or andrew bynum!

You have to be kidding me:) He is no where near the skill level of Bynum and Jordan is a better version of him + 6 years younger.

LOL first of all bynum isn't a FA so i'm not sure why he's in the mix.

career averages, you tell me which you want:
player A: (625 games over 10 seasons) 8 points, 9 rebounds, 1.4 blocks, 56% from FG
player B: (295 games over 6 seasons) 10 points, 7 rebounds, 1.5 blocks, 56% from FG
player C: (161 games over 3 seasons) 7 points, 7 rebounds, 1.5 blocks, 64% from FG

given what i know about chandler, i think he's another leader/veteran that this team could use. his focus is on D and the boards, not scoring. he knows what kind of player he is. he wants to win. i can't say i know that about bynum or jordan.