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orangeblobman
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1/12/2011  11:10 AM    LAST EDITED: 1/12/2011  11:12 AM
Marv wrote:gallo frustrates because he’s not what you sense he has the potential to be and could be.

BUT . . . he still might yet be. look at what wilson's done this year. definitely added that extra gear to his game that's made him a different player.

gallo does that and then he is indeed special.

he doesn’t, stays where he currently is, and he’s still a hedo/kukoc type 4th or 5th best player on your team who adds a lot to a winning team. nothing wrong with that either once you accept it.

And that's not something you get rid of, like a piece of garbage. Players like Gallinari are rare, you hold them. You especially hold them if they're 22 and still maturing. Wilson has a season up on Gallo, btw, and Wilson didn't truly impress until this year.

There is no reasonable case that can be made for getting rid of Gallinari, no case, anyone that tries is likely a hatter, with a hat on.

WE AIN'T NOWHERE WITH THIS BUM CHOKER IN CARMELO. GIVE ME STARKS'S 2-21 ANY DAY OVER THIS LACKLUSTER CLUSTEREFF.
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1/12/2011  11:11 AM
orangeblobman wrote:4. He's tall! - You can't teach height

eddy learned it. how tough could it be?

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1/12/2011  11:12 AM
Marv wrote:
orangeblobman wrote:4. He's tall! - You can't teach height

eddy learned it. how tough could it be?

Yea

WE AIN'T NOWHERE WITH THIS BUM CHOKER IN CARMELO. GIVE ME STARKS'S 2-21 ANY DAY OVER THIS LACKLUSTER CLUSTEREFF.
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1/12/2011  11:14 AM
iSergio wrote:
martin wrote:
iSergio wrote:
KNICKSdom wrote:
SlimChin wrote:do we really need him? this west coast trip kind of indicates otherwise. Walker, Williams and Turiaf have been picking up the slack both on the offense and defensive end; Bench has coming up big. if they beat the jazz tonight and go 3-1 on this road trip Gallo is looking more and more expendable.

Burn! Gallo is needed. He helps spread the floor for Amar'e to score 30 points a game.

That's such a weak argument and you have nothing to back it up. I'm so tired of the Danilo Gallinari homers making him out to be this incredible outside shooter. He's not. He shoots in the low 40s and 37% from three. Wilson Chandler spreads the floor just as well as Gallinari. We also have more then enough outside shooters to get by without Gallinari and the last 4 games have proved it.

you are making Gallo out to be just a stiff-legged 3point shooter, and he's not.

How many FTs have Walker and Williams shot all year? total of what Gallo makes in like 4 games?

That's exactly what he is. Almost 50% of Danilo Gallinari's shots are 3pt attempts and he only gets to the line 5.5 times a game. That's a spot-up shooter.

Shawne Williams and Bill Walker can't drive. I'll give you that. But 5.5 times a game at the line is nothing special either.

The only SF's to get more than 5.5 FTs a game:

LeBron, Durant, Melo, Gerald Wallace. Peirce is a ***** spot-up shooter too, only does 5.1 FTA a game.

you're such a hatter

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1/12/2011  11:18 AM
orangeblobman wrote:
iSergio wrote:
orangeblobman wrote:
iSergio wrote:In the last 4 games, both Shawne Williams and Bill Walker have combined for 17 ppg and hit 14/35 from three (40%). Equal to what Danilo Gallinari was contributing.

The Gallinari homers can stick it. We don't need him. He's a VERY small piece to the puzzle. His role is just not that important. He's the 4th or 5th best player on this team.

What? Two players COMBINED to equal what Gallinari, alone, was contributing? And neither of those two have all the awesome extras that Gallinari quietly brings to the table every night.

BALLLER, WHAT?!?!?!?! HATERS, GTHOT, HATERSSSSSs!!

WHAT EXTRAS!!! What the heck are you all watching! Danilo Gallinari doesn't provide ANY intangibles! He's an outside shooter!!! He doesn't rebound, do the dirty work or play great shutdown defense (he's average).

ZOMG!!! WHAT!!?!?!
What extras? (in no particular order):

1. Defense - what!? Have you seen him D people up? His long arms and height make him hard to beat, even when you think you've beaten him, he's right there, like a SPIDER!

2. Free throws (aka drawing fouls) - WHat!? The only other person I can compare his ability to draw fouls to is Kevin Durant, and Durant gets some type of star treatment at this point. Gallo will drive to the hole and it's hard not to foul him. Can he drive more? Yes, but that's all about maturity, which leads me to...

3. Age - He's 22, for Peter's sake, the great Apostle at the supper. He's a young baller with so much upside it's not even funny, and he continues to improve and improve his mental.

4. He's tall! - You can't teach height

5. He's so skilled - Drops trey buckets, can drive, can shoot free throws, can steal the ball, can defend, can run the floors.

6. He is clutch! - How many times have we seen him drop buckets late in the game, ice cold?

7. HE DOESN'T TURN THE BALL OVER - How many times have we seen him play 35 minutes or so with 0 turnovers?? He's a smart baller, he won't make many mistakes

8. All upside with Gallo.

1. The next time Danilo Gallinari shuts down someone in D will be his first time. He's not a shutdown defender.

2. Getting to the line 5.5 times a game is nothing special. Watch some hoops because players like Kevin Martin and Eric Gordon get the line a lot more.

3. Age doesn't matter. Just because a player is 22, it doesn't mean he's going to get better. Did Channing Frye ever get better?

4. Being 6'10" doesn't matter if you can't defend the post in the frontcourt and only get 4.5 rpg.

5. He's not that skilled.

6. He's not that clutch either. He's missed a ton of big shots in the 4th this year. More then he's made them actually. I wish someone could get his shooting stats in the 4th to confirm this.

7. ...

8. I don't see much upside. I see Gallinari being Channing Frye on a team. Aka a good role player. He's not Dirk Nowitzki.

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1/12/2011  11:20 AM
Marv wrote:
orangeblobman wrote:4. He's tall! - You can't teach height

eddy learned it. how tough could it be?


Don't forget Jerome.

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1/12/2011  11:22 AM
martin wrote:
iSergio wrote:
martin wrote:
iSergio wrote:
KNICKSdom wrote:
SlimChin wrote:do we really need him? this west coast trip kind of indicates otherwise. Walker, Williams and Turiaf have been picking up the slack both on the offense and defensive end; Bench has coming up big. if they beat the jazz tonight and go 3-1 on this road trip Gallo is looking more and more expendable.

Burn! Gallo is needed. He helps spread the floor for Amar'e to score 30 points a game.

That's such a weak argument and you have nothing to back it up. I'm so tired of the Danilo Gallinari homers making him out to be this incredible outside shooter. He's not. He shoots in the low 40s and 37% from three. Wilson Chandler spreads the floor just as well as Gallinari. We also have more then enough outside shooters to get by without Gallinari and the last 4 games have proved it.

you are making Gallo out to be just a stiff-legged 3point shooter, and he's not.

How many FTs have Walker and Williams shot all year? total of what Gallo makes in like 4 games?

That's exactly what he is. Almost 50% of Danilo Gallinari's shots are 3pt attempts and he only gets to the line 5.5 times a game. That's a spot-up shooter.

Shawne Williams and Bill Walker can't drive. I'll give you that. But 5.5 times a game at the line is nothing special either.

The only SF's to get more than 5.5 FTs a game:

LeBron, Durant, Melo, Gerald Wallace. Peirce is a ***** spot-up shooter too, only does 5.1 FTA a game.

you're such a hatter

I don't hate Danilo Gallinari. I hated Stephon Marbury. I simply don't think Gallinari is that good or will be that good. I've backed up my opinion. You may disagree but it doesn't make me a hater.

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1/12/2011  11:23 AM
martin wrote:
iSergio wrote:
martin wrote:
iSergio wrote:
KNICKSdom wrote:
SlimChin wrote:do we really need him? this west coast trip kind of indicates otherwise. Walker, Williams and Turiaf have been picking up the slack both on the offense and defensive end; Bench has coming up big. if they beat the jazz tonight and go 3-1 on this road trip Gallo is looking more and more expendable.

Burn! Gallo is needed. He helps spread the floor for Amar'e to score 30 points a game.

That's such a weak argument and you have nothing to back it up. I'm so tired of the Danilo Gallinari homers making him out to be this incredible outside shooter. He's not. He shoots in the low 40s and 37% from three. Wilson Chandler spreads the floor just as well as Gallinari. We also have more then enough outside shooters to get by without Gallinari and the last 4 games have proved it.

you are making Gallo out to be just a stiff-legged 3point shooter, and he's not.

How many FTs have Walker and Williams shot all year? total of what Gallo makes in like 4 games?

That's exactly what he is. Almost 50% of Danilo Gallinari's shots are 3pt attempts and he only gets to the line 5.5 times a game. That's a spot-up shooter.

Shawne Williams and Bill Walker can't drive. I'll give you that. But 5.5 times a game at the line is nothing special either.

The only SF's to get more than 5.5 FTs a game:

LeBron, Durant, Melo, Gerald Wallace. Peirce is a ***** spot-up shooter too, only does 5.1 FTA a game.

you're such a hatter

u beat me to it. 5.5 ft's a game is pretty damn good. The hate is just too intense for Gallo. I have no idea why. He is essentially just graduating from college and playing his rookie year. WTF is the problem. He's an excellent shooter with other skills that are developing. Does no one remember those driving to the lane backwards dunks? HOw can u be mad at him? lol I don't get it.

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1/12/2011  11:26 AM    LAST EDITED: 1/12/2011  11:26 AM
Here we go again with the 'excellent shooter' nonsense. Danilo Gallinari is shooting 37% ... 37% from three.

Why can't any of you admit he's an average/OK shooter? And this other nonsense that's a great rebounder and passer. Gallinari get's 4.5 rpg and 1.8 apg!

It doesn't take much to impress you guys I guess.

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1/12/2011  11:26 AM
Killa4luv wrote:
martin wrote:
iSergio wrote:
martin wrote:
iSergio wrote:
KNICKSdom wrote:
SlimChin wrote:do we really need him? this west coast trip kind of indicates otherwise. Walker, Williams and Turiaf have been picking up the slack both on the offense and defensive end; Bench has coming up big. if they beat the jazz tonight and go 3-1 on this road trip Gallo is looking more and more expendable.

Burn! Gallo is needed. He helps spread the floor for Amar'e to score 30 points a game.

That's such a weak argument and you have nothing to back it up. I'm so tired of the Danilo Gallinari homers making him out to be this incredible outside shooter. He's not. He shoots in the low 40s and 37% from three. Wilson Chandler spreads the floor just as well as Gallinari. We also have more then enough outside shooters to get by without Gallinari and the last 4 games have proved it.

you are making Gallo out to be just a stiff-legged 3point shooter, and he's not.

How many FTs have Walker and Williams shot all year? total of what Gallo makes in like 4 games?

That's exactly what he is. Almost 50% of Danilo Gallinari's shots are 3pt attempts and he only gets to the line 5.5 times a game. That's a spot-up shooter.

Shawne Williams and Bill Walker can't drive. I'll give you that. But 5.5 times a game at the line is nothing special either.

The only SF's to get more than 5.5 FTs a game:

LeBron, Durant, Melo, Gerald Wallace. Peirce is a ***** spot-up shooter too, only does 5.1 FTA a game.

you're such a hatter

u beat me to it. 5.5 ft's a game is pretty damn good. The hate is just too intense for Gallo. I have no idea why. He is essentially just graduating from college and playing his rookie year. WTF is the problem. He's an excellent shooter with other skills that are developing. Does no one remember those driving to the lane backwards dunks? HOw can u be mad at him? lol I don't get it.

i think it's because he spends a lot of time on the court NOT doing what he can do so well. he does seem to vary greatly in how much he's "into" the game at any given moment. he can end up a game with nice stats and highlights and you can still legitimately feel frustrated at how much time he spent on the court doing jack-s**t.

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1/12/2011  11:28 AM
iSergio wrote:
martin wrote:
iSergio wrote:
martin wrote:
iSergio wrote:
KNICKSdom wrote:
SlimChin wrote:do we really need him? this west coast trip kind of indicates otherwise. Walker, Williams and Turiaf have been picking up the slack both on the offense and defensive end; Bench has coming up big. if they beat the jazz tonight and go 3-1 on this road trip Gallo is looking more and more expendable.

Burn! Gallo is needed. He helps spread the floor for Amar'e to score 30 points a game.

That's such a weak argument and you have nothing to back it up. I'm so tired of the Danilo Gallinari homers making him out to be this incredible outside shooter. He's not. He shoots in the low 40s and 37% from three. Wilson Chandler spreads the floor just as well as Gallinari. We also have more then enough outside shooters to get by without Gallinari and the last 4 games have proved it.

you are making Gallo out to be just a stiff-legged 3point shooter, and he's not.

How many FTs have Walker and Williams shot all year? total of what Gallo makes in like 4 games?

That's exactly what he is. Almost 50% of Danilo Gallinari's shots are 3pt attempts and he only gets to the line 5.5 times a game. That's a spot-up shooter.

Shawne Williams and Bill Walker can't drive. I'll give you that. But 5.5 times a game at the line is nothing special either.

The only SF's to get more than 5.5 FTs a game:

LeBron, Durant, Melo, Gerald Wallace. Peirce is a ***** spot-up shooter too, only does 5.1 FTA a game.

you're such a hatter

I don't hate Danilo Gallinari. I hated Stephon Marbury. I simply don't think Gallinari is that good or will be that good. I've backed up my opinion. You may disagree but it doesn't make me a hater.

well, you kinda take away from your own opinion by highlighting the FT numbers, cause those are way off.

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1/12/2011  11:30 AM
Gallo is a valuable player. That much is certain. But he's not a stud and will never be Dirk, Bird or whoever else people want to make him into. It's clear to me that one of Gallo or Chandler should be coming off the bench. Douglas, William and Walker have impressed me, but you add Gallo or Chandler to that bench and you're rotation is very strong.
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1/12/2011  11:31 AM
iSergio wrote:
orangeblobman wrote:
iSergio wrote:In the last 4 games, both Shawne Williams and Bill Walker have combined for 17 ppg and hit 14/35 from three (40%). Equal to what Danilo Gallinari was contributing.

The Gallinari homers can stick it. We don't need him. He's a VERY small piece to the puzzle. His role is just not that important. He's the 4th or 5th best player on this team.

What? Two players COMBINED to equal what Gallinari, alone, was contributing? And neither of those two have all the awesome extras that Gallinari quietly brings to the table every night.

BALLLER, WHAT?!?!?!?! HATERS, GTHOT, HATERSSSSSs!!

WHAT EXTRAS!!! What the heck are you all watching! Danilo Gallinari doesn't provide ANY intangibles! He's an outside shooter!!! He doesn't rebound, do the dirty work or play great shutdown defense (he's average).

You sound like you work in Denvers front office, you obviously are not a good scout, or don't value certain aspects of a players game, or what it takes to build a lagit contender.

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1/12/2011  11:34 AM
iSergio wrote:
KNICKSdom wrote:
iSergio wrote:
KNICKSdom wrote:
SlimChin wrote:do we really need him? this west coast trip kind of indicates otherwise. Walker, Williams and Turiaf have been picking up the slack both on the offense and defensive end; Bench has coming up big. if they beat the jazz tonight and go 3-1 on this road trip Gallo is looking more and more expendable.

Burn! Gallo is needed. He helps spread the floor for Amar'e to score 30 points a game.

That's such a weak argument and you have nothing to back it up. I'm so tired of the Danilo Gallinari homers making him out to be this incredible outside shooter. He's not. He shoots in the low 40s and 37% from three. Wilson Chandler spreads the floor just as well as Gallinari. We also have more then enough outside shooters to get by without Gallinari and the last 4 games have proved it.

Do you watch Gallo play or are you sleepwalking watching them play? I don't need explain more, his game should speak for itself. He plays D, passes great, handles the ball well while running the floor, he goes to the line more than other Knicks and he is their best shooter on the team other than Shawne. He is young, still geting better and Amar'e likes him. What's not to like!? *stares*

Homer talk.

Wilson Chandler, Bill Walker and even Landry Fields are shooting better than Danilo Gallinari. And he's not a great passer either - 1.8 apg.

Come on son! What planet are you living on? The numbers don't lie but numbers don't tell what a player do. Apg leave it to Felton to capitalize. Gallo simply is one of the better passing big men. He moves the ball and makes the pass that leads to the pass that gets the assist. Very essential in D'antoni's offense. I don't care the shooting % on Gallo, the boy shoots lights out and he shoots at a high clip. It is his bread and butter but it doesn't make his whole game. He is a baller and he is only 22. You ain't seen the likes of him the 8 years or so before he was drafted. Understandable.

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1/12/2011  11:41 AM
I feel like he could really shine as the focus of the offense with the 2nd unit upon his return. Really hope MDA stays with the line-up from the portland game upon Gallo's return, with him becoming the sixth man.
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1/12/2011  12:04 PM
AmsterdamKnicksFan wrote:I feel like he could really shine as the focus of the offense with the 2nd unit upon his return. Really hope MDA stays with the line-up from the portland game upon Gallo's return, with him becoming the sixth man.

Highly unlikely given dantoni's love affair with him. Turiaf starting at center and gallo as a six man seems like a no brainer to me, gallo would be a dangerous weapon off the bench.

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1/12/2011  12:05 PM
INcremental progress.

He gets clutch rebounds. He gets to the line. He is 6-11.

Foget the stats, watch the games.

MDA has him camped out on the parimeter. Thats his job. Wilson is the primary slasher.

What is the plan for Gallo? does he have upside? Is he willing to work? Will he fill out into a PF or C?

He is 22. He is not Eric Gordon a 6-3 SG. Why compare?

Is he "Special"? Not yet. Wilson didn't look special last year. He might be "Breaking out" this season. He gets better and better. Not every game. Not a straight line up.

Gallo is also getting better. Shooting less, higher % and moves the ball a lot.

Gallo is a lot of things, but isergio makes it like he is an obsticle to a championship.

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1/12/2011  12:08 PM
aienjell wrote:
AmsterdamKnicksFan wrote:I feel like he could really shine as the focus of the offense with the 2nd unit upon his return. Really hope MDA stays with the line-up from the portland game upon Gallo's return, with him becoming the sixth man.

Highly unlikely given dantoni's love affair with him. Turiaf starting at center and gallo as a six man seems like a no brainer to me, gallo would be a dangerous weapon off the bench.

He's better with amare on the floor, i rather chandler of the bench, especially since he can sub in for 3 different positons..

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1/12/2011  12:19 PM
knicks1248 wrote:
aienjell wrote:
AmsterdamKnicksFan wrote:I feel like he could really shine as the focus of the offense with the 2nd unit upon his return. Really hope MDA stays with the line-up from the portland game upon Gallo's return, with him becoming the sixth man.

Highly unlikely given dantoni's love affair with him. Turiaf starting at center and gallo as a six man seems like a no brainer to me, gallo would be a dangerous weapon off the bench.

He's better with amare on the floor, i rather chandler of the bench, especially since he can sub in for 3 different positons..

I think the second unit would play better with an aggressive/expressive gallo on the floor, he could be a real spark and he passes well, thats NEEDED when stoudamire is on the bench. An aggressive gallo can take you off the dribble and get fouled, or draw defensive help, and gallo usually finds the open man. Gallo just needs to understand that HE is the open man when driving to the basket sometimes.

Let the Linsanity ensue!!!!!!
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1/12/2011  12:21 PM
iSergio wrote:In the last 4 games, both Shawne Williams and Bill Walker have combined for 17 ppg and hit 14/35 from three (40%). Equal to what Danilo Gallinari was contributing.

The Gallinari homers can stick it. We don't need him. He's a VERY small piece to the puzzle. His role is just not that important. He's the 4th or 5th best player on this team.


great point. So you say its not the same when Chandler + Gallo are more productive than MElo, but its ok to say Williams + Walker = Gallo. Good stuff.

This is the problem with this board... its not about Gallo supporters. Its about whats best for this team. Gallo has not been consistant this year, but he has certainly contributed. His 15/5 hasnt been impressive, but its been good for sure. The tandem of Gallo/Chandler has created a lot ogf matchup problems and if you just go back and look at game logs its easy to see that when one struggled the other often had it going. Depth counts and depth is important and depth wins games.

No to mention that Gallo is 22 and like a lot of young players is sstill figuring out when to do what. He's too passive at times and too aggressive other times.

He's a good young player and part of this very good and very young core surrounding Amare/Felton.

http://www.82games.com/1011/1011NYK2.HTM

the best lineups have Gallo in them.

Nobody is saying Gallo doesnt need to improve and be more consistant. He needs too be. Its part of being patient with your young players.

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ok, i'm gonna get burned by the Gallo supporters but....

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