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If you dont play Turiaf against the Lakers--then what is his value here?
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Panos
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1/10/2011  12:46 PM
JohnWallace44 wrote:MikeD is basically thinking; if I'm going to the dance and I'm not the tall guy with the classic good looks then I'm not going to try to compete with them on their level. I'm going to spike my hair, wear my shirt untucked and try to get laid by being the against-the-grain character in the room.

Playing Turiaf against Odom/Gasol/Bynum... you can do that to try to look like the captain of the football team, but you know at the end of the night you're not going home with the hot chick that way.


Then you go home with this girl:

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1/10/2011  12:48 PM
JohnWallace44 wrote:Mike's trying to get the other team to match up with his squad. I don't know if that's really possible with the LakeShow.

When it comes to matching up with the Lakers, we'd have to acquire a Camby type player who can fit on the team, but can also bang with those types of bigs.

I'm starting to wonder if you could get Josh Smith as well. Atlanta has so much salary to cover and we have so many cheap wings. Smith could have neutralized Odom at least, who was a major problem last night.

Realistically though, the Knicks management is probably thinking, who cares if we can't match up with the lakers. Kobe's got no cartilage so they're not going to be a factor for long and they're in the other conference and there's no other team like that.

In most off our losses, we're getting killed on the boards. We don't compete well against the true 7 footers w/ additional help. A serious effort must involve finding our own space eater and BOXING OUT

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1/10/2011  2:06 PM
Its too bad we couldn't just bring in a Curry/Moz front court for a couple of minutes in a game like that and just have them charge/hack/wack/crush the opposing size just to get them out of their game.

If we're facing a team like Minny, Portland, Orlando or the Lakers (the few teams with actual size) it would be funny to have an enforcer unit for spot minutes.

Alan Hahn: Nate Robinson has been on a ridonkulous scoring tear lately (remember when he couldn't hit Jerome James with a Big Mac in early January?)
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1/10/2011  2:31 PM
martin wrote:
Vmart wrote:
martin wrote:Knicks weren't hitting from the outside so the Lakers could concentrate on Amare a little more than normal... and do you really think that the Knicks should have brought Turiaf in?

How would that have helped the spacing exactly where Amare operates? Cause Turiafs guys was just sinking towards the middle. Was Turiaf slowing down Bynum or Gasol?

Also, do you remember that big old dunk Shannon Brown had during the first half where no one challenged him? That was Turiaf's mistake; he forgot to rotate and just pointed a finger ala Wince Carter as if someone else should have been there.

Dude has 2 fouls in 7 minutes and I think at least one of them was kinda stupid. And if he keeps passing the ball away when he is 8 feet from the basket and no one between he and rim, what good is he?

Dude when Lamar Odom looks like Wilt Chamberlain yeah they should have brought Turiaff in and kept him in there. Should have given Mozgov more run. Big is a Big and we needed to go big. The lack of trust MDA has in the center position just to whimsical for my taste. Look at Amare the man was getting man handled by two trees and Odoms. This small ball shyt ain't gonna work vs elite teams.

I know. It's why all of my trade and Plan B scenario's include trying to get the likes of Nene or DeAndre Jordan and have only recently involved Melo. Why do you keep focusing and saying that trading for Melo is the only way to win a championship?

You don't get it do you. You can't have Nene, Jordan or anyone unless you get rid of MDA he can't utilize them he doesn't know how. He is gonna have trust issues with everyone you mention.

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1/10/2011  2:41 PM
Vmart wrote:
martin wrote:
Vmart wrote:
martin wrote:Knicks weren't hitting from the outside so the Lakers could concentrate on Amare a little more than normal... and do you really think that the Knicks should have brought Turiaf in?

How would that have helped the spacing exactly where Amare operates? Cause Turiafs guys was just sinking towards the middle. Was Turiaf slowing down Bynum or Gasol?

Also, do you remember that big old dunk Shannon Brown had during the first half where no one challenged him? That was Turiaf's mistake; he forgot to rotate and just pointed a finger ala Wince Carter as if someone else should have been there.

Dude has 2 fouls in 7 minutes and I think at least one of them was kinda stupid. And if he keeps passing the ball away when he is 8 feet from the basket and no one between he and rim, what good is he?

Dude when Lamar Odom looks like Wilt Chamberlain yeah they should have brought Turiaff in and kept him in there. Should have given Mozgov more run. Big is a Big and we needed to go big. The lack of trust MDA has in the center position just to whimsical for my taste. Look at Amare the man was getting man handled by two trees and Odoms. This small ball shyt ain't gonna work vs elite teams.

I know. It's why all of my trade and Plan B scenario's include trying to get the likes of Nene or DeAndre Jordan and have only recently involved Melo. Why do you keep focusing and saying that trading for Melo is the only way to win a championship?

You don't get it do you. You can't have Nene, Jordan or anyone unless you get rid of MDA he can't utilize them he doesn't know how. He is gonna have trust issues with everyone you mention.

From the likes of exactly what you are putting forth, I have heard the following:

MDA never plays rookies. Landry Fields.

MDA's teams never play Defense. They were constantly middle of the pack in PHO.

Championship teams don't shoot as many 3's as do the Knicks. Knicks shoot almost exactly the amount of 3s as most championship teams and at about the same % of making them.

MDA's teams never player C's who don't shoot 3s. Turiaf, Amare.

MDA's teams never play PF who don't shoot 3s. Amare.

What else am I missing? Get back to me when you got something new.

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1/10/2011  3:15 PM
BRIGGS wrote:I know he hasnt been good and turned down shots the last few games 4-2 doesnt exactly get it done. But this is our weak area and I think he shouldve started and played 20 minutes. We dont want to get over -reliant on 3. I understand about spreading the floor but you get do that just as well with a C who plays smart--a guy who is more of an opportunistic type scorer like Turiaf yet can score when needed and big enough to rebound and defend against true 7 footers. Having 4 perimeter shooters --one including amare is sufficient if you haev someone in there to clean up misses. Also no team can accept getting pounded on the boards--for the most part we have held our own--but against elite teams--we dont have the extra horse power upfront.

i agree, i think Turiaf should have seen more burn last night... when we were getting killed on the boards it might have helped to have a bigger body out there to at least box Odom out of the paint... our 3 pt shooting was off all night but MDA never adjusted, never got Ray Felton, Toney Douglas or Wilson going towards the hoop to try & get to the FT line, instead they were settling for perimeter shots & Ray was making horrible passes to God knows who.

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1/10/2011  3:22 PM
TMS wrote:
BRIGGS wrote:I know he hasnt been good and turned down shots the last few games 4-2 doesnt exactly get it done. But this is our weak area and I think he shouldve started and played 20 minutes. We dont want to get over -reliant on 3. I understand about spreading the floor but you get do that just as well with a C who plays smart--a guy who is more of an opportunistic type scorer like Turiaf yet can score when needed and big enough to rebound and defend against true 7 footers. Having 4 perimeter shooters --one including amare is sufficient if you haev someone in there to clean up misses. Also no team can accept getting pounded on the boards--for the most part we have held our own--but against elite teams--we dont have the extra horse power upfront.

i agree, i think Turiaf should have seen more burn last night... when we were getting killed on the boards it might have helped to have a bigger body out there to at least box Odom out of the paint... our 3 pt shooting was off all night but MDA never adjusted, never got Ray Felton, Toney Douglas or Wilson going towards the hoop to try & get to the FT line, instead they were settling for perimeter shots & Ray was making horrible passes to God knows who.

Turiaf is a so-so rebounder at best... how does taking out a player who could potentially spread the floor (to help Amare and open up the middle) help the Knicks? In fact it would play right into the strength of the Lakers. And since Turiaf is not an offensive threat, it would make the extra defender - the likes of Gasol, Bynum - sag into the middle making it even LESS likely that anyone could go to the rim.

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1/10/2011  3:41 PM
Bynum-Pau-Odom= 7-1, 7-0, 6-10. Turiaf is 6-9.

Can't match up to that. Gotta try to out run them. We did not. we lose.

Some of you sound like we should change the franchise around based on one game. Fire MDA based on one game.

MDA is not Phil Jax, nor has that roster. Lakers will finish with a top 4 record in the leauge and is the favorite to ThreePeat.

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1/10/2011  4:06 PM
turiaf wouldn't have done much even if he was in. as for his value, he's good defensively but not against post ups.

lakers, just an all around bad matchup for us.

If you dont play Turiaf against the Lakers--then what is his value here?

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