Paladin55 wrote:

JohnWallace44 wrote:He's a more consistent scorer than Gallo, which is more valuable when you're the 4th option. We lose sight of that quite a bit.

I'm waiting to see some more of Williams' rumored skills to be put on display before I render a final verdict. Gallo is bigger than Williams and a more effective rebounder when he wants to be.

I think he certainly makes Gallo tradeable. They're on the same level to me as prospects.

He only scores when he is open, and is really dependent on teammates getting him the ball at the right time. He is very limited going to the basket.

I would think that as teams realize this, they will be less likely to leave him open. He seems to be left open as much, and probably more, than anyone on the Knicks up to this point- much more than Gallo, I might add. Whether he can do more is to be determined.

If you think Gallinari is only a 3pt shooter, I suppose that you can make a case that Williams is "on the same level" as a prospect, but I would hope that you're not thinking pre-2008 draft, and believing that Gallo is a soft Euro who can hit 3s and do nothing else.

I've said this before, and will say it now- I continue to find it amazing that folks are looking for ways to dismiss Gallinari's talents and find a way to get rid of him, which is really what some folks are putting forth around here. Why we constantly have to compare and denigrate our own players against each other is beyond me, but there seems to be a consistent groundswell of dislike, and what even amounts to a form of hatred, for Gallinari, and only Gallinari.

great post, and honestly, I just don't get the hate and dislike for gallo.. really don't.. has become mindboggling..

OldFan wrote:I do find it interesting that whenever a wing plays well it's a reason to get rid of Gallo. Gallo definitely draws a lot of attention on this board.

Anyway as far as Williams goes he's played 1962 minutes in his career and 269 minute this year Gallo has played 4305 minutes in his career and 1146 minutes this year. The sample size that everyone is judging williams on is 269 minutes! He's been good for those minutes but that's 7-8 games of starters minutes. He's shot 44 3 ptrs this year. He's shot it really well - but it's 44 shots. His career 3pt percentage is .352 (he was 1-17 last year)

Over his career he's been a marginal sub at best. I think he's improved a lot and I hope the guy plays great but you don't make personal decisions on players based on 269 minutes.

good info... and if the knicks happen to beat the lakers tonight, it will be another reason to get rid of gallo.. The win will be because we didn't have gallo.. not the career game by amare or felton... but no.. just because gallo didn't play.. Just watch.. it really has reached all time lows...

tkf wrote:

JohnWallace44 wrote:He's a more consistent scorer than Gallo, which is more valuable when you're the 4th option. We lose sight of that quite a bit.

I'm waiting to see some more of Williams' rumored skills to be put on display before I render a final verdict. Gallo is bigger than Williams and a more effective rebounder when he wants to be.

I think he certainly makes Gallo tradeable. They're on the same level to me as prospects.

rofl.... speachless.... williams is 25( will be in a month) gallo is 22.. prospects? is williams still a prospect? and when did williams become a consistent scorer?

this board has turned into the twilight zone or the hate zone.. not sure which one..

ditto. this is crazy talk. Gallo took LBJ to the rack and dunked it with 2 hands!

tkf wrote:

JohnWallace44 wrote:He's a more consistent scorer than Gallo, which is more valuable when you're the 4th option. We lose sight of that quite a bit.

I'm waiting to see some more of Williams' rumored skills to be put on display before I render a final verdict. Gallo is bigger than Williams and a more effective rebounder when he wants to be.

I think he certainly makes Gallo tradeable. They're on the same level to me as prospects.

rofl.... speachless.... williams is 25( will be in a month) gallo is 22.. prospects? is williams still a prospect? and when did williams become a consistent scorer?

this board has turned into the twilight zone or the hate zone.. not sure which one..

People are nuts.. we are finally starting to win and the young talent really take place and guys want to trade it all for guys that dont make you better than the Heat.

Williams has been great and I am happy both that we have him and that he's getting his life in order.

I LOVED how he got in Artest's face to protect his teammate.

When you look at the good Walsh has done its easy to point to how great Amare has been and signing Felton was an absolute coup, but look how important Fields and Williams have been. Those guys have been huge

Does anyone really believe that Williams is the best shooter in the NBA? He looks to be a good shooter -- over the long haul, I think Gallo is better, but we'll have to wait until that materializes to know. But this is clearly a case of people making inferences from a hot streak. That's dangerous.

I'm not saying I don't like Williams. And he's earned his way into the rotation. Hopefully, he'll continue to earn minutes. But let's wait until he's put up numbers and strong play for more than a couple of months before we trade the team to make room for him to get more run.

Dude's can just stand there and hit practice treys and then when your percentage gets up in the high 30's the defense starts to run out on you and you pump fake the guy and throw it down.

Gallo's got to do something more to me than hit treys at Chandler's percentage to impress me. He's just so damn inconsistent. IF he puts it all together game after game you've got something, but you can't deny that its viable to consider trading him to another GM who thinks he can be "good Gallo" on a nightly basis instead of waiting for him to do that here, especially when we have guys doing similar things for less money.

JohnWallace44 wrote:Every time a wing plays well on this team it reminds you that wings tend to play well in this system when Amare's around.

Dude's can just stand there and hit practice treys and then when your percentage gets up in the high 30's the defense starts to run out on you and you pump fake the guy and throw it down.

Gallo's got to do something more to me than hit treys at Chandler's percentage to impress me. He's just so damn inconsistent. IF he puts it all together game after game you've got something, but you can't deny that its viable to consider trading him to another GM who thinks he can be "good Gallo" on a nightly basis instead of waiting for him to do that here, especially when we have guys doing similar things for less money.

I am still confused at these kind of statements. Inconsistent at what? He averages around 15ppg. He defends. He rebounds. He gets to the line 6+ times a game. Do you guys mean you want him to average 20+ a game to be consistent?

Bippity10 wrote:Gallinari's last 20 games

15.1 pointes, 4.6 rebounds, 1.2 turnovers, 44% from the field, 38% from 3, 85% from the line, 5.1 FT per game

In those 20 games he's been under 10 points 4 times(with one of those games being 9 points).

This guy is an inconsitent shooter so far in his career, but not an inconsistent player. And over the last 3 months he's been a model of consistency. We seem to hate him for some weird reason. Not sure why. Why not just accept who he is? which isn't a bad player.

Most likely because people formed an opinion about him when he was drafted, took a stand and would rather be right than look objectively at what is happening.

NYKBocker wrote:

Andrew wrote:

Bippity10 wrote:Gallinari's last 20 games

15.1 pointes, 4.6 rebounds, 1.2 turnovers, 44% from the field, 38% from 3, 85% from the line, 5.1 FT per game

In those 20 games he's been under 10 points 4 times(with one of those games being 9 points).

This guy is an inconsitent shooter so far in his career, but not an inconsistent player. And over the last 3 months he's been a model of consistency. We seem to hate him for some weird reason. Not sure why. Why not just accept who he is? which isn't a bad player.

Most likely because people formed an opinion about him when he was drafted, took a stand and would rather be right than look objectively at what is happening.

Also, 44%, 38% and 85% is actually not inconsitent shooting. I think MDA saying that he is the best shooter he has ever seen has put made people think that unless he is shooting at a 100% clip then he is not shooting consistently.

The knock is that he goes 2-11 one night and 7-9 the next night to get his averages up to where they are. I think there is some validity to that. But when his shot isn't falling he seems to be able to get to the line enough to get those numbers up to the 15 point range every night. Which is what I thought we were asking of him early in the season

NYKBocker wrote:

JohnWallace44 wrote:Every time a wing plays well on this team it reminds you that wings tend to play well in this system when Amare's around.

Dude's can just stand there and hit practice treys and then when your percentage gets up in the high 30's the defense starts to run out on you and you pump fake the guy and throw it down.

Gallo's got to do something more to me than hit treys at Chandler's percentage to impress me. He's just so damn inconsistent. IF he puts it all together game after game you've got something, but you can't deny that its viable to consider trading him to another GM who thinks he can be "good Gallo" on a nightly basis instead of waiting for him to do that here, especially when we have guys doing similar things for less money.

I am still confused at these kind of statements. Inconsistent at what? He averages around 15ppg. He defends. He rebounds. He gets to the line 6+ times a game. Do you guys mean you want him to average 20+ a game to be consistent?

When Gallo goes 1-10 against Cleveland from deep, or 2-10 against the Nuggets or 0-5 against Golden State, its just tough to win those games. Wilson went 0-5 last night, but that's very much an aberration. My argument with Gallo is that he has a lot of empty minutes. He'll show up for a quarter and then won't score the rest of the game. I don't know if that will ever go away.