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JrZyHuStLa
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1/9/2011  12:36 PM    LAST EDITED: 1/9/2011  12:37 PM
When a championship team beats an opponent that has 2 better players, your only hope is that you're playing suffocating defense.
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1/9/2011  12:49 PM    LAST EDITED: 1/9/2011  12:49 PM
Sangfroid wrote:People are forgetting that the Heat also have Big Z, a 7'2" centrer and Bosh, a 6'11" forward. JoelAnthony comes in at 6'10" to do nothing other then guard. We do not currently have the resources to match up in the paint. Offensive rebounding is our Achilles heel. Now I don't know if the pound it out center doesn't fit into Coach D's plans, but the "No Rebounds No Rings" saying really shows up here. On a side note, Phoenix tried that small ball game against our size, and were down double digits in boards.

My man, we were smaller then them, I don't how many times that had been said during the telcast, even in the huddle you herd Gentry saying they're out hustling us..Not trying to say it will work every night, but effort is what makes a good rebounder, height helps, but lets be real, Fields is out rebounding on an avg, a bunch of 7ftrs in this league

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1/9/2011  1:08 PM
Maybe (and I do mean maybe) if we could get Dwight Howard here we'd have the defensive presence to slow down Lebron/Wade and enough offensive power still. Or maybe now that the Knicks are back and NY is the mecca of basketball, we'll attract lots of good veteran role players and our bench would destroy Miami's by a big enough margin to win a series. Still, I don't think the odds are in our favor.

The idea that our top player was behind Miami's 2nd best is way I was so lukewarm to giving Amare a max deal. He's exceeded my expectations and is a really fun player to watch but I'm still not convinced this was the best way to build a championship team. I would have rebuilt through the draft so that we could get as many good players as possible on rookie contracts--NY should be able to purchase more 1st round picks than any other team. Not until the team was already good, would I have locked up players in 5 year max contracts. I sure hope I'm wrong though.

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1/9/2011  1:08 PM
Markji wrote:"Has a team ever won a championship when its best player is not as good as.."

Probably the biggest upset when stars lost was the 2004 U.S. Olympic team which consisted of LeBron, Melo, Tim Duncan; Iverson, etc - lost to Puerto Rico, Lithuania, and the Argentine team knocked them out in the semis.

Good team play and team defense can sometimes stop star teams that aren't balanced.

I agree with your 2nd point but it's hard to conclude anything about NBA ball from the 2004 olympic team since they didn't have a full season to learn to work together.

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1/9/2011  1:09 PM
simrud wrote:Both Wade and James are over-rated in my opinion.

Why? what is it that they don't do as well as a franchise player should?
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1/9/2011  1:56 PM
JrZyHuStLa wrote:When a championship team beats an opponent that has 2 better players, your only hope is that you're playing suffocating defense.

agreed... our system is based on bombarding teams w/volume of shots & possessions, we should be looking to get as many talented players as possible that can score points in this system... obviously we shouldn't just forget about defense completely but let's face it, we're not the Detroit Pistons team that beat the Lakers

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1/9/2011  3:36 PM
So we're lucky enough to have a player who is the favorite to win MVP 1/3 of the way through the season and the complaint is that other teams have two guys better than our guy... seems like an odd time to make that complaint.
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1/9/2011  3:45 PM
JohnWallace44 wrote:So we're lucky enough to have a player who is the favorite to win MVP 1/3 of the way through the season and the complaint is that other teams have two guys better than our guy... seems like an odd time to make that complaint.

i put Amare right up there with D Wade in terms of his talent, but i think it's unfair to expect Amare to carry us over the top w/what we have now... if winning championships is our ultimate goal (& i have no idea why anyone would want otherwise) then i think it's always good to look at the big picture regardless of the fact we're playing well right now & Amare is playing at an MVP level.

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1/9/2011  4:33 PM
Bonn1997 wrote:
Markji wrote:"Has a team ever won a championship when its best player is not as good as.."

Probably the biggest upset when stars lost was the 2004 U.S. Olympic team which consisted of LeBron, Melo, Tim Duncan; Iverson, etc - lost to Puerto Rico, Lithuania, and the Argentine team knocked them out in the semis.

Good team play and team defense can sometimes stop star teams that aren't balanced.

I agree with your 2nd point but it's hard to conclude anything about NBA ball from the 2004 olympic team since they didn't have a full season to learn to work together.

They may not have had a whole season together but they had time to practice together, they had played against each other a lot, plus these guys were the top basketball talents in the world. For and above that of mere mortal players. Many were/are Hall of Famer talent. How could they lose to Puerto Rico or Lithuania who have no players talented enough to play in the NBA. I guess that is why we agree on my 2nd point.
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1/9/2011  4:59 PM
IMO we've got a budding big 3 developing on this team. Felton and Chandler are still improving as players and are at times playing at an All Star level. We're weak on the boards, but have been able to overcome it on many nights. It's just real ugly when we face teams that have legit size and rebounding so we have to either bring in help or develop who we have and get more of a team effort on the boards to limit the rebounding deficit. The other thing I've liked is that Fields and Gallo have been very good as well, so overall we've been getting very high level play from more guys in the rotation. Teams that are top heavy tend not to get as much out of the other rotation guys. If you replaced Turiaf with a more productive PF/C that could really enhance what we're able to do. I like how he plays but his not being a very strong rebounder does hurt us a bit as does the fact that he's not productive scoring the ball either.
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1/9/2011  8:06 PM
Allanfan20 wrote:`77 Trailblazers.

what you think mcginnis was better than walton???

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