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1/9/2011  1:44 PM
BRIGGS wrote:
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misterearl wrote:
Landry Fields was 6-6 from the floor against Phoenix. What more could anyone ask from a rookie?

Pity D' wont play rookies. Oh wait...

A trade like blueseats wants to make giving away Chandler Fielda and gallo--thats what misterearl is talking about. You know--whatever it takes

Stop putting words in my mouth, I've always said I'd give them two of the three. Don't invent flip-floppers to keep up with yourself.

And what does that have to do with the coach playing rookies?
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1/9/2011  2:15 PM
BlueSeats wrote:
BRIGGS wrote:
BlueSeats wrote:
misterearl wrote:
Landry Fields was 6-6 from the floor against Phoenix. What more could anyone ask from a rookie?

Pity D' wont play rookies. Oh wait...

A trade like blueseats wants to make giving away Chandler Fielda and gallo--thats what misterearl is talking about. You know--whatever it takes

Stop putting words in my mouth, I've always said I'd give them two of the three. Don't invent flip-floppers to keep up with yourself.

And what does that have to do with the coach playing rookies?

Giving up Chandler and Fields for Melo would be a stupid a deal as the Knicks can make--dont worry its not happening. My guess is that you are in the 2% minority on that one.

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1/9/2011  2:51 PM
BRIGGS wrote:
BlueSeats wrote:
BRIGGS wrote:
BlueSeats wrote:
misterearl wrote:
Landry Fields was 6-6 from the floor against Phoenix. What more could anyone ask from a rookie?

Pity D' wont play rookies. Oh wait...

A trade like blueseats wants to make giving away Chandler Fielda and gallo--thats what misterearl is talking about. You know--whatever it takes

Stop putting words in my mouth, I've always said I'd give them two of the three. Don't invent flip-floppers to keep up with yourself.

And what does that have to do with the coach playing rookies?

Giving up Chandler and Fields for Melo would be a stupid a deal as the Knicks can make--dont worry its not happening. My guess is that you are in the 2% minority on that one.

It's called raising the ceiling, and if you want to compete at the top it's something that needs to be done. My guess is that Anthony Randolph hates you as much as you once loved him.
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1/9/2011  3:02 PM
BRIGGS wrote:
BlueSeats wrote:
BRIGGS wrote:
BlueSeats wrote:
misterearl wrote:
Landry Fields was 6-6 from the floor against Phoenix. What more could anyone ask from a rookie?

Pity D' wont play rookies. Oh wait...

A trade like blueseats wants to make giving away Chandler Fielda and gallo--thats what misterearl is talking about. You know--whatever it takes

Stop putting words in my mouth, I've always said I'd give them two of the three. Don't invent flip-floppers to keep up with yourself.

And what does that have to do with the coach playing rookies?

Giving up Chandler and Fields for Melo would be a stupid a deal as the Knicks can make--dont worry its not happening. My guess is that you are in the 2% minority on that one.

http://www.ultimateknicks.com/forum/topic.asp?t=37557&page=1

Im down with Gallo Randolph and fields for Melo
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12/30/2010 10:03 PM

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Chandler has proven without a shadow of a doubt that is by far a superior player to either of those guys and getting better by the game---I mean ALL STAR level player. Trading for Melo wont change the need for a 2nd quality big man and a strong bench---we need both--but I think the NET for removing Chandler and adding Melo cost versus production is not going to make this team better--so better to sacrifice these two guys and have the ability to retain Chandler. Time for Donnie to step up and make some deals.

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1/9/2011  3:07 PM
BlueSeats wrote:
BRIGGS wrote:
BlueSeats wrote:
BRIGGS wrote:
BlueSeats wrote:
misterearl wrote:
Landry Fields was 6-6 from the floor against Phoenix. What more could anyone ask from a rookie?

Pity D' wont play rookies. Oh wait...

A trade like blueseats wants to make giving away Chandler Fielda and gallo--thats what misterearl is talking about. You know--whatever it takes

Stop putting words in my mouth, I've always said I'd give them two of the three. Don't invent flip-floppers to keep up with yourself.

And what does that have to do with the coach playing rookies?

Giving up Chandler and Fields for Melo would be a stupid a deal as the Knicks can make--dont worry its not happening. My guess is that you are in the 2% minority on that one.

It's called raising the ceiling, and if you want to compete at the top it's something that needs to be done. My guess is that Anthony Randolph hates you as much as you once loved him.

No it's called a train wreck in the making. Nothing personal against Anthony Randolph--but I have studied the player enough over 4 years to know that we didn't get the same athletic energetic player the Warriors drafted nor does his skill set match the MDA system. In retrospect it is better to receive value for him and let a 21 year old kid continue on and begin to salvage his career rather than sitting in a situation he will likely never be part of.

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1/9/2011  3:11 PM    LAST EDITED: 1/9/2011  3:13 PM
TMS wrote:
BRIGGS wrote:
BlueSeats wrote:
BRIGGS wrote:
BlueSeats wrote:
misterearl wrote:
Landry Fields was 6-6 from the floor against Phoenix. What more could anyone ask from a rookie?

Pity D' wont play rookies. Oh wait...

A trade like blueseats wants to make giving away Chandler Fielda and gallo--thats what misterearl is talking about. You know--whatever it takes

Stop putting words in my mouth, I've always said I'd give them two of the three. Don't invent flip-floppers to keep up with yourself.

And what does that have to do with the coach playing rookies?

Giving up Chandler and Fields for Melo would be a stupid a deal as the Knicks can make--dont worry its not happening. My guess is that you are in the 2% minority on that one.

http://www.ultimateknicks.com/forum/topic.asp?t=37557&page=1

Im down with Gallo Randolph and fields for Melo
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Chandler has proven without a shadow of a doubt that is by far a superior player to either of those guys and getting better by the game---I mean ALL STAR level player. Trading for Melo wont change the need for a 2nd quality big man and a strong bench---we need both--but I think the NET for removing Chandler and adding Melo cost versus production is not going to make this team better--so better to sacrifice these two guys and have the ability to retain Chandler. Time for Donnie to step up and make some deals.

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Actually I take this thread back--I want a good big man a solid bench player and Gallo to step up. Am I asking too much

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Bonn1997 wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:Actually I take this thread back--I want a good big man a solid bench player and Gallo to step up. Am I asking too much


Is this sarcasm or did you change your mind again? You can't possibly be serious

This is a *Im disappointed in Gallo* thread and used poor judgment in my words when frustrated as a fan. I would like to see Gallo step up--that would be my number 1 goal for this team right now--its important for him to step up. For this team to perform at a certain level--its imperative that we get consistency from 4 players Chandler Gallo Amare and Felton. For the most part we have received that with Gallo being the inconsistent piece of the pie. Its also frustrating as a fan to see a good team not having the spare parts to play 48 minutes well

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1/9/2011  4:10 PM
we lose a few, briggs wants melo. we win a few, he doesn't. there might be a pattern that correlates to the weather also but i'd have to run it through the computer to be sure.
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BlueSeats wrote:we lose a few, briggs wants melo. we win a few, he doesn't. there might be a pattern that correlates to the weather also but i'd have to run it through the computer to be sure.

Actually Ive been the biggest opponent against it here--anyone can get upset as a fan for a couple of hours. But I actually watch the players and the games and now fully understand what MDA wants to do. I don't fully agree with all aspects of it--especially from the big man sense(although I think if he found a Turiaf on steroids type his basketball sense would click). He wants to play a 4-1 and each guy has the ability to knock down perimeter shots out to 3 to space the floor using the pick and roll mainly between 1-5. Because Carmelo is more of a 14-16 and in player--he might interfere with that system of play--he actually might be too much like amare in a sense but with no where near the efficiency.

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1/9/2011  5:51 PM
BRIGGS wrote:
BlueSeats wrote:we lose a few, briggs wants melo. we win a few, he doesn't. there might be a pattern that correlates to the weather also but i'd have to run it through the computer to be sure.

Actually Ive been the biggest opponent against it here--anyone can get upset as a fan for a couple of hours. But I actually watch the players and the games and now fully understand what MDA wants to do. I don't fully agree with all aspects of it--especially from the big man sense(although I think if he found a Turiaf on steroids type his basketball sense would click). He wants to play a 4-1 and each guy has the ability to knock down perimeter shots out to 3 to space the floor using the pick and roll mainly between 1-5. Because Carmelo is more of a 14-16 and in player--he might interfere with that system of play--he actually might be too much like amare in a sense but with no where near the efficiency.


I've made a similar observation before, and this has become more true with Amare's evolution into a player who can hit the midrange shot with tremendous efficiency and also get to the basket with a variety of moves.

Amare's turnover troubles seemed to happen when he was trying to dribble by 2, and even 3, defenders. The ability of Chandler, Gallo, Williams, Douglas, Felton, Walker, and Fields, to hit the 3 at an acceptable % (They are all over 35%, and 33.33% from the 3= 50% from the 2pt distance.), makes his life a lot easier now, and we seem to be much better at getting open 3s than we did earlier in the year.

There is a reason why MDA recently made the comment that he looks forward to games- he has a squad that is really coming around at this time, and the guys in the rotation have bought into the system and accepted their roles in the system.

How will losing 2, and in a worst case scenario 3, of the guys in our rotation impact our offensive chemistry, especially since the guy replacing him is a midrange volume scorer?

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1/9/2011  6:34 PM
BRIGGS wrote:
BlueSeats wrote:we lose a few, briggs wants melo. we win a few, he doesn't. there might be a pattern that correlates to the weather also but i'd have to run it through the computer to be sure.

Actually Ive been the biggest opponent against it here--anyone can get upset as a fan for a couple of hours. But I actually watch the players and the games and now fully understand what MDA wants to do. I don't fully agree with all aspects of it--especially from the big man sense(although I think if he found a Turiaf on steroids type his basketball sense would click). He wants to play a 4-1 and each guy has the ability to knock down perimeter shots out to 3 to space the floor using the pick and roll mainly between 1-5. Because Carmelo is more of a 14-16 and in player--he might interfere with that system of play--he actually might be too much like amare in a sense but with no where near the efficiency.

Melo is one of the most skilled players in the league and his game would expand in this system. I still can't believe you think a star like him would hurt what we are doing here.
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1/9/2011  6:37 PM
stanleybostitch wrote:Thank god Isiah not's in charge then; In Donnie We Trust.

Isiah would not trade wilson, trust me, thats his kinda of player

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1/9/2011  7:42 PM
Isn't every team one disastrous deal away from wrecking their franchise?
Alan Hahn: Nate Robinson has been on a ridonkulous scoring tear lately (remember when he couldn't hit Jerome James with a Big Mac in early January?)
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1/9/2011  8:00 PM
JohnWallace44 wrote:Isn't every team one disastrous deal away from wrecking their franchise?

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1/9/2011  8:50 PM
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BlueSeats wrote:we lose a few, briggs wants melo. we win a few, he doesn't. there might be a pattern that correlates to the weather also but i'd have to run it through the computer to be sure.

Actually Ive been the biggest opponent against it here--anyone can get upset as a fan for a couple of hours. But I actually watch the players and the games and now fully understand what MDA wants to do. I don't fully agree with all aspects of it--especially from the big man sense(although I think if he found a Turiaf on steroids type his basketball sense would click). He wants to play a 4-1 and each guy has the ability to knock down perimeter shots out to 3 to space the floor using the pick and roll mainly between 1-5. Because Carmelo is more of a 14-16 and in player--he might interfere with that system of play--he actually might be too much like amare in a sense but with no where near the efficiency.

Briggs, nobody dismisses the need for interior reinforcements, but you don't have to blow your star FA opportunity on it.

A look at Miami is useful. People thought they couldn't compete this year because A) Wade & Lebron are too similar, B) after dumping the roster to clear cap space they'd be way to thin and would play no d. Both go to refute our premise above.

You can't just look at regular season wins and expect it to translate to playoffs, we have to bolster our halfcourt play offensively and defensively, and Melo would help a lot in our halfcourt offense.
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1/10/2011  8:19 AM
Has Melo taken a team deep into the playlets? Whenever I see Melo play, I see a guy who has lots of talent and not a lot of long term desire. Granted, getting him on the cheap would be OK, but trading away young talent would not be wise. I would do a Curry - Melo trade. But to give up Chandler or Gallo or Landry plus anyone else does not give the Knicks a chance to develop a team for that might just dominate the East for years. Not being a NYC person, I understand the need for winner (champion), but let's give Donnie another year. The Knicks will make the playoffs this year, right. Small steps.
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1/10/2011  9:46 AM
On a similar note, I think Melo is one disastrous trade away from playing for team lesser than the Nuggets. Why would he want to join the Nets if they have to trade their top assets in the process AND have to bring along a player from the Nuggets as well as Rip (the old gray mare ain't what she used to be...)?
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1/10/2011  10:03 AM
BRIGGS wrote:
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misterearl wrote:If any franchise should have learned a life lesson in the folly of the quick fix it is our beloved New York Knicks. From the pursuit of Bob McAdoo to the trading away of Mark Jackson, the Knicks have learned the hard way that one bad deal can slice take years off the timeline of progress.

These are not trading cards. These are people who do well, like most people, with stability. If every day is punctuated with the next best rumor or the next best replacement, how does player loyalty ever takes root?

In the words of Wilson Chandler, "I don't want to go to Denver."

Why would you consider trading for Melo, a 26 year old superstar just entering his prime, a quick fix? Obviously no one wants to blow up the team to get him, but the idea of people not wanting him at all because it messes with this current team's youth and development absolutely baffles me. We have some good young piece, but none of which has Melo's upside. It's been too long since we have had superstars on this team. When we have one and the opportunity to get another, suddenly that doesn't interest people. I have no idea why.

Its his cost and position versus others. We lead the NBA in scoring by a +2 margin. We dont need more scoring--we need a big man who can provide some defense interior scoring when amare is out and able to play with amare at times--we need a large turiaf upgrade.

yup and we'll never match up well against the heat because of this reason. i think we need a backup for Felton as well...
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1/10/2011  10:06 AM
knicks1248 wrote:
stanleybostitch wrote:Thank god Isiah not's in charge then; In Donnie We Trust.

Isiah would not trade wilson, trust me, thats his kinda of player

Sure he would, PocketLord would find some huge, long term deal for some Greg Oden-look alike out of the South Side.
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jrodmc wrote:
knicks1248 wrote:
stanleybostitch wrote:Thank god Isiah not's in charge then; In Donnie We Trust.

Isiah would not trade wilson, trust me, thats his kinda of player

Sure he would, PocketLord would find some huge, long term deal for some Greg Oden-look alike out of the South Side.
Jared Jeffries
Jerome James
Eddy Curry

Isiah would have traded Chandler for Oden.... and also given up expiring draft picks and multiple picks and then sign him to a long term deal.

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