tkf wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

tkf wrote:how about this.. since chandler pretty much was non existent last night until garbage time, shooting 3-9 before then, and we still blew the suns out.. How about get rid of chandler.. maybe he is now expendable? give that a thought? why is it that everytime a player has a decent game.. gallo is expendable.. hell I heard jerome jordan is playing well overseas.. gallo is expendable.. marbury had a good game in china.. gallo is expendable.. President Obama had a good game playing two on two vs the whitehouse staff and Gallo is now expendable..

Please.. enough with this.... it goes from one to the other.. chandler stunk last night, now we have to find someone else to make gallo expendable.. rofl.. wow..

Where did you get the idea from that TMS's comments here are just based on a 1 game sample?

so this is based on a season of playfrom both williams and walker who barely plays? if so then it is even more ridiculous than I thought.. and I guess you felt you were helping TMS with this post?

The anti-Gallinari posts have become a bit annoying (almost boring, to be honest) recently.

All the hatred some folks had when he was picked seems to be resurfacing as they dream of a way to get him off the team.

tkf wrote:how about this.. since chandler pretty much was non existent last night until garbage time, shooting 3-9 before then, and we still blew the suns out.. How about get rid of chandler.. maybe he is now expendable? give that a thought? why is it that everytime a player has a decent game.. gallo is expendable.. hell I heard jerome jordan is playing well overseas.. gallo is expendable.. marbury had a good game in china.. gallo is expendable.. President Obama had a good game playing two on two vs the whitehouse staff and Gallo is now expendable..

Please.. enough with this.... it goes from one to the other.. chandler stunk last night, now we have to find someone else to make gallo expendable.. rofl.. wow..

the point is that i think Gallo is a very good player, but that we might be better off using him as an asset to upgrade in other areas of need... i wouldn't even be making these comments if i didn't believe Gallo was a quality player with good value that could net us something very good in return if we ever traded him... & again, i'm not saying we should do whatever we can to dump this guy... just that IF we're going to be trading away any of our top 3 young guys, i would look to deal Gallo first because i think we have other guys on the team that bring some of the perimeter threat that we'd lose if we dealt him... are u implying that Shawne Williams has only had 1 good game of shooting this season? i think he's been pretty dead eye shooting all year long... wasn't even all that high on him until he showed he belonged in this rotation... i don't let my allegiances to certain players blind me to what i'm seeing out on the floor.

again, i don't think Williams is better than Gallo & this is not aimed at anti-Gallo propaganda... i realize you are a big fan of Gallinari & i know you've been around long enough to know i've always been a supporter of his while guys were calling him a bust just a couple of years ago... i'm actually surprised you would take my comments to such an extreme... i love Gallo as much as anyone, but i'm a fan of the team first & the players second... i don't view any of our players as an untouchable right now other than Amare... if u don't agree w/me that's cool... i'm just basing my comments off what i've seen out of this team & these players all year... also looking at Gallo's potential upside to grow into much more than he already is on this team, i just don't see the opportunity there as long as he's going to be competing with guys like Amare, Felton & Wilson who Donnie has made it clear factor largely into his longterm plans... at least with a guy like Shawne Williams, he can be put into that role & you will likely be able to retain him for a cheap contract & open up your cap flexibility to make other moves... Gallo is going to be due for a large increase in his salary in a year's time like Finestrg pointed out... our best shot at getting top value for him might be to trade him now while his contract is manageable & teams are still high on his perceived upside... not sure how much that perceived upside might be negatively effected if he isn't able to take some major strides in his development in the near future.

now i wouldn't be shocked at all to see Gallo come back after his injury & drop 30 in any given night, because i do believe he's got the talent to do it, he's done it before... but right now i happen to think we are a better team w/Wilson playing that role of 3rd option than Gallo... personally i don't think there's anything unreasonable about anything i'm saying here, but ur free to disagree.

jazz74 wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:

OldFan wrote:I like williams but I want a bigger sample before I'd make decisions based on his contribution.

I agree. That three point shot of his is looking silkier by the game but I see Gallo being more active, doing more of the little things. He drives a lot more. He also plays better D imo. Williams might be just getting started but its still too early to tell.

i also concur. williams has been a nice surprise but gallo, even though his scoring stats are down, is doing a lot more this year in becoming a complete player.

i think Gallo has taken steps in getting to the FT line more & making it a point to be more aggressive going to the hole... i like what i've seen out of him in that respect.

TMS wrote:

tkf wrote:how about this.. since chandler pretty much was non existent last night until garbage time, shooting 3-9 before then, and we still blew the suns out.. How about get rid of chandler.. maybe he is now expendable? give that a thought? why is it that everytime a player has a decent game.. gallo is expendable.. hell I heard jerome jordan is playing well overseas.. gallo is expendable.. marbury had a good game in china.. gallo is expendable.. President Obama had a good game playing two on two vs the whitehouse staff and Gallo is now expendable..

Please.. enough with this.... it goes from one to the other.. chandler stunk last night, now we have to find someone else to make gallo expendable.. rofl.. wow..

the point is that i think Gallo is a very good player, but that we might be better off using him as an asset to upgrade in other areas of need... i wouldn't even be making these comments if i didn't believe Gallo was a quality player with good value that could net us something very good in return if we ever traded him... & again, i'm not saying we should do whatever we can to dump this guy... just that IF we're going to be trading away any of our top 3 young guys, i would look to deal Gallo first because i think we have other guys on the team that bring some of the perimeter threat that we'd lose if we dealt him... are u implying that Shawne Williams has only had 1 good game of shooting this season? i think he's been pretty dead eye shooting all year long... wasn't even all that high on him until he showed he belonged in this rotation... i don't let my allegiances to certain players blind me to what i'm seeing out on the floor.

again, i don't think Williams is better than Gallo & this is not aimed at anti-Gallo propaganda... i realize you are a big fan of Gallinari & i know you've been around long enough to know i've always been a supporter of his while guys were calling him a bust just a couple of years ago... i'm actually surprised you would take my comments to such an extreme... i love Gallo as much as anyone, but i'm a fan of the team first & the players second... i don't view any of our players as an untouchable right now other than Amare... if u don't agree w/me that's cool... i'm just basing my comments off what i've seen out of this team & these players all year... also looking at Gallo's potential upside to grow into much more than he already is on this team, i just don't see the opportunity there as long as he's going to be competing with guys like Amare, Felton & Wilson who Donnie has made it clear factor largely into his longterm plans... at least with a guy like Shawne Williams, he can be put into that role & you will likely be able to retain him for a cheap contract & open up your cap flexibility to make other moves... Gallo is going to be due for a large increase in his salary in a year's time like Finestrg pointed out... our best shot at getting top value for him might be to trade him now while his contract is manageable & teams are still high on his perceived upside... not sure how much that perceived upside might be negatively effected if he isn't able to take some major strides in his development in the near future.

now i wouldn't be shocked at all to see Gallo come back after his injury & drop 30 in any given night, because i do believe he's got the talent to do it, he's done it before... but right now i happen to think we are a better team w/Wilson playing that role of 3rd option than Gallo... personally i don't think there's anything unreasonable about anything i'm saying here, but ur free to disagree.

Well that is fine TMS...and I see what you are saying. I just don't agree, but you explained how you feel and I can understand that.. but for me, we just haven't gotten enough out of williams and or walker over an extended period of time to even make these kinds of decisions. so for me, it just comes off as making a decision after a few games? why not make this kind of claim a week ago, two weeks ago? three? but anyway, I want the best players on this team. Shawne williams as a starter on this team, may not have the same effect as williams off the bench. If you don't think he is the better player then why even consider moving gallo.. if you want to talk about contracts, then fine.. move chandler, he is up for a new deal this upcoming offseason, and honestly, we can score points and win, if chandler plays well or not? heck it seems that we can do well as long as amare and felton are on their games, and they are on, more often than not..

I do agree that gallo may never reach his potential on this team the way we are built now, but who knows.. funny things happen. I rather have the high upside talent waiting to step up when needed than wishing we had one, because we traded him away because we thought shawne williams could do what he does? just on a lesser level? no thanks..

martin wrote:

Finestrg wrote:Completely agree with everything being said here. Gallo is what he is -- I like him, but I don't see him ever being that much more that what he is right now which is a good shooter (one of many we have on this roster right now mind you) and only average to slightly above average in every other area of the game.

Bonn1997 wrote:I agree overall but you have to realize he's not going to keep shooting 3s at 55%. I think Gallo is the better player overall but the difference is small enough for me to feel comfortable trading Gallo for someone else, especially since we already have tons of SFs anyway.

JrZyHuStLa wrote:Williams is better than Gallo.

Wow, you guys need to watch Gallo more closely if that's all you got from him. As a big man with size, his ability to shoot and put the ball on the floor while driving for contact is incredible. The TS% for his size, age, experience is quite extraordinary. Don't sleep on that

Gallo just hasn't been able to put it all together, just as Will had not until about 20 games ago; if he does, and starts getting to the line 8+ times a game, watch out.

Danilo Gallinari gets to the line 5.5 times a game and is shooting 42% and 37% from three. That's incredible?

Paladin55 wrote:

TMS wrote:

Paladin55 wrote:

tkf wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

tkf wrote:how about this.. since chandler pretty much was non existent last night until garbage time, shooting 3-9 before then, and we still blew the suns out.. How about get rid of chandler.. maybe he is now expendable? give that a thought? why is it that everytime a player has a decent game.. gallo is expendable.. hell I heard jerome jordan is playing well overseas.. gallo is expendable.. marbury had a good game in china.. gallo is expendable.. President Obama had a good game playing two on two vs the whitehouse staff and Gallo is now expendable..

Please.. enough with this.... it goes from one to the other.. chandler stunk last night, now we have to find someone else to make gallo expendable.. rofl.. wow..

Where did you get the idea from that TMS's comments here are just based on a 1 game sample?

so this is based on a season of playfrom both williams and walker who barely plays? if so then it is even more ridiculous than I thought.. and I guess you felt you were helping TMS with this post?

The anti-Gallinari posts have become a bit annoying (almost boring, to be honest) recently.

All the hatred some folks had when he was picked seems to be resurfacing as they dream of a way to get him off the team.

wow i definitely didn't expect this kind of reaction from you dude... i think i've been one of the fairer minded posters whenever it comes to Gallo ever since he was drafted... "hatred" lol... track some of my past posts about Gallinari dude, i was defending him as a promising prospect when guys were calling him a stiff legged Euro bust & was happy to have him, so please don't even go there... i guess even when you preface ur comments by making it clear that this isn't meant to be an anti-Gallo thread, you're still going to get posters jumping down your throat for making observations about the team...i'm looking more towards what we can do to improve in other areas of need than trying to think up ways to get rid of him... that's not my intention regardless of what u & tkf might believe.

Straw that broke the camel's back for me. Nothing personal, and I know you have not been irrational in regard to Gallo. (I hadn't even realized you were the OP.)

If yours was the first post of this type I would have had a different reaction.

I like Williams a lot, and he is perfect for this system, and from what I have seen, his open 3's are more consistent than anyone on our team at this point. I've even liked his D.

He has limitations on offense, though, and is just not the all around player that Gallinari is.

And lets face it, Gallinari's has been a lightening rod for all kinds of vitriol from posters.

I think a dedicated "Gallo Must Go" thread is in line at this time.

The irony, in my mind, and this does not apply to you, is the idea that so many don't like Gallo's game but think that Denver or another team will somehow think he is a great player they must give up the house for.

very well said.. it is gone way past ridiculous.. really it has...

and as you said, I am not directing this towards TMS..

Now, independent of TMS post(which I agree with)I also agree that these other anti-Gallo threads are ridiculous. We are proving we can win without Gallo. That's a good thing. Having a team win, without a major component and then having that player return is also a good thing. It just makes us a better team having more good players. Not sure why so much hate for the guy. Even if he stays exactly as he is now, and never gets better, he's still a contributing player on a good team. What's to hate??????????????????????? Do we simply hate him because he's not Dirk???????

For the record Boston is 4-1 without Kevin Garnett and 28-8 without Kendrick Perkins. Do you think their fans are running around saying "see I told you these guys aren't that good, we should trade them for expiring contracts". Or are their fans ecstatic they are winning without these guys and can't wait until they come back, and are ecstatic that the backups are performing and realize that the more good players they have, the better they are. Why do Knick fans have such a hard time understanding this concept

FistOfOakley wrote:gallo is 2nd to amar'e in ft rate on the team...

shawne williams, is shooting 56% from three and a true shooting % of almost 70... suffice to say he is not going to keep that up but i hope he does.

he also turns the ball over a lot and really he provides not that many other uses beyond his shooting.

shawne shouldn't make gallo expendable....

i agree, i don't think Williams can fully replace Gallo's role on the team, but he does make the thought of trading him more palateable to me... that is the simple point here which i think many of you are misinterpreting... i don't even consider trading Gallo unless we're talking about getting back a VERY good player in return that represents an upgrade over what we already have.