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1/6/2011  10:09 AM
He seems a lot more confident and comfortable about what he can and can't do as a player in this system. His outside shot (amazing arc on it this year) and decision making in regard to when he should shoot (or not shoot) have stood out, IMO.

I don't know about the contract numbers Berman threw out, but if Chandler continues to play as he has,I don't see why he wouldn't get something in the $8-9 million range.

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1/6/2011  10:12 AM
awesome!! nice to know there is a meaningful piece left from ISiah's Reign of Terror. What a player, and I don't feel like his game is done developing. I do hope he's allowed to continue starting at SF
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1/6/2011  10:16 AM
joec32033 wrote:I got to admit, Chandler has impressed me. I always had 2 big beefs with him. His outside jumper/3 pt range has improved tremendously. I never felt he could be more then 2/3 role player without that. He fixed that and it opened up his game tremendously.

My other problem with him has been his durability. Not because he necessarily misses a lot of time, but it just seems that always around the 60 game mark or so his play dips a bit and you hear he is dealing with all different ailments. I realize people get hurt but it is kinda the same thing over and over with Wil. And he has played through injuries (last year) but his play dipped, and he has been pulled out (2 years ago). What makes it really bother me is the guy is built like a tank so he obviously takes his health and fitness seriously but always gets those nagging problems, which is one reason I was ready to see him traded or used as the 6th man.

If he can sustain his health I would definately like to see him retained. This year is renewing my interest in him but those chronic injuries have to go for him to take that next step.

agreed... earlier in his career he'd have mental lapses where he'd step on the sideline. i don't have that concern anymore. also, he didn't always have the killer instinct... but the time he spent on the bench this season really pulled tha tout of him.

i hope he's got some man muscle now and his injuries go away... Camby always got hurt too but when he the muscle he built matured and stuck on his frame a while the injury risk kinda went away

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1/6/2011  10:19 AM
tkf wrote:
Childs2Dudley wrote:
Juice wrote:http://www.nypost.com/p/sports/knicks/donnie_wilson_fan_PQcGtNh4lCpbTVfAIEIQ9J?CMP=OTC-rss&FEEDNAME=


PURE ETHER for those who doubted. And you know what the ink isn't close to dry but we have it here in black and white so barring no injuries and continued play our GM has to put the money where his mouth is.

I have no idea what you're saying but thank you for posting the link as clarification to this topic.

I would like to re-sign Chandler too and I think it is better that Walsh is waiting till the summer to sign Chandler because he needed to see if Chandler would finally take the next step in his career and become a better player. Chandler has done that so far, despite a rocky start to the season. If he continues playing like this (smarter and more efficient than what he used to play like) than I would absolutely support re-signing Chandler to a reasonable contract.

yea, but the numbers being thrown around are 5 years and 60 mil? do you want to give him that much? Honestly, signing a player also opens up a trade, especially if he has a reasonable deal...


He's 22 and already in the same class as SF types making that cash like maggette or RJ. Would you rather have chandler for $10mm or melo for $17 or worse.... $20mm plus which is what that extension would pay him?
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1/6/2011  10:21 AM
Andrew wrote:
JohnWallace44 wrote:The RealGM clip of that article says Wilson will command a $10 million per year salary for five years.

So... I guess we can expect Turiaf/Mozgov/Gallo to be dumped for expiring deals? Otherwise the math is pretty tough.

Tough for what?

Well Donnie's other quotes state that he's going to leave cap flexibility to sign a Melo type player. That math doesn't work. Turiaf and Moz would have to go or you can't fit all those pieces in.

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1/6/2011  10:22 AM
fishmike wrote:
tkf wrote:
Childs2Dudley wrote:
Juice wrote:http://www.nypost.com/p/sports/knicks/donnie_wilson_fan_PQcGtNh4lCpbTVfAIEIQ9J?CMP=OTC-rss&FEEDNAME=


PURE ETHER for those who doubted. And you know what the ink isn't close to dry but we have it here in black and white so barring no injuries and continued play our GM has to put the money where his mouth is.

I have no idea what you're saying but thank you for posting the link as clarification to this topic.

I would like to re-sign Chandler too and I think it is better that Walsh is waiting till the summer to sign Chandler because he needed to see if Chandler would finally take the next step in his career and become a better player. Chandler has done that so far, despite a rocky start to the season. If he continues playing like this (smarter and more efficient than what he used to play like) than I would absolutely support re-signing Chandler to a reasonable contract.

yea, but the numbers being thrown around are 5 years and 60 mil? do you want to give him that much? Honestly, signing a player also opens up a trade, especially if he has a reasonable deal...


He's 22 and already in the same class as SF types making that cash like maggette or RJ. Would you rather have chandler for $10mm or melo for $17 or worse.... $20mm plus which is what that extension would pay him?

If it's just an either/or, I'll take Melo. But Chill has played so damned well a Chill/Gallo/Fields deal is laughable and the Knicks would be nuts to do that.

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1/6/2011  10:22 AM
JohnWallace44 wrote:
Andrew wrote:
JohnWallace44 wrote:The RealGM clip of that article says Wilson will command a $10 million per year salary for five years.

So... I guess we can expect Turiaf/Mozgov/Gallo to be dumped for expiring deals? Otherwise the math is pretty tough.

Tough for what?

Well Donnie's other quotes state that he's going to leave cap flexibility to sign a Melo type player. That math doesn't work. Turiaf and Moz would have to go or you can't fit all those pieces in.

Wilson's cap hold is ~$6.3M.

From there you have cap space.

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1/6/2011  10:23 AM
JohnWallace44 wrote:
Andrew wrote:
JohnWallace44 wrote:The RealGM clip of that article says Wilson will command a $10 million per year salary for five years.

So... I guess we can expect Turiaf/Mozgov/Gallo to be dumped for expiring deals? Otherwise the math is pretty tough.

Tough for what?

Well Donnie's other quotes state that he's going to leave cap flexibility to sign a Melo type player. That math doesn't work. Turiaf and Moz would have to go or you can't fit all those pieces in.

if you sign Chill, you wouldn't need Melo or a max UFA... I assume the team would go after an upgrade at starting C and a BU PG

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1/6/2011  10:25 AM
JohnWallace44 wrote:
Andrew wrote:
JohnWallace44 wrote:The RealGM clip of that article says Wilson will command a $10 million per year salary for five years.

So... I guess we can expect Turiaf/Mozgov/Gallo to be dumped for expiring deals? Otherwise the math is pretty tough.

Tough for what?

Well Donnie's other quotes state that he's going to leave cap flexibility to sign a Melo type player. That math doesn't work. Turiaf and Moz would have to go or you can't fit all those pieces in.

It was always going to be difficult to sign chandler and a max guy. Chandler's 6.3M cap hold makes it that way, and it makes no difference this year what we end up paying him, whether it be 10M, 12M or 15M, his cap hold is still 6.3M.

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1/6/2011  10:36 AM

Walsh said he'll sign him.

Sign and trade?

Can either Melo or Wil move to the 2? We basically play the wing.

Trade Gallo for a rough PF-C to free up Amare?

We just run teams out of the building. Might not yield a championship but we'll go far and be fun as hell.

Next year Shaq and Jermain o'neal will be really cooked. Dwight becomes our starphuch?

Who in the east can stop it?

Forget defense, we'll run the phuch out of the box score and to beat us is to no stop us but we dare you to keep up?

Who knows how it shakes out but we got options and Knicks do take care of their own. We took care of Lee. LIkley got a better deal to a desirable city by doing a sign and trade. Shy Wilson will get his money.

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1/6/2011  10:37 AM
SupremeCommander wrote:
JohnWallace44 wrote:
Andrew wrote:
JohnWallace44 wrote:The RealGM clip of that article says Wilson will command a $10 million per year salary for five years.

So... I guess we can expect Turiaf/Mozgov/Gallo to be dumped for expiring deals? Otherwise the math is pretty tough.

Tough for what?

Well Donnie's other quotes state that he's going to leave cap flexibility to sign a Melo type player. That math doesn't work. Turiaf and Moz would have to go or you can't fit all those pieces in.

if you sign Chill, you wouldn't need Melo or a max UFA... I assume the team would go after an upgrade at starting C and a BU PG

but would that be enough for a ring? yes Chandler is turning into something special but he's still "developing".

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1/6/2011  10:44 AM
SlimChin wrote:
SupremeCommander wrote:
JohnWallace44 wrote:
Andrew wrote:
JohnWallace44 wrote:The RealGM clip of that article says Wilson will command a $10 million per year salary for five years.

So... I guess we can expect Turiaf/Mozgov/Gallo to be dumped for expiring deals? Otherwise the math is pretty tough.

Tough for what?

Well Donnie's other quotes state that he's going to leave cap flexibility to sign a Melo type player. That math doesn't work. Turiaf and Moz would have to go or you can't fit all those pieces in.

if you sign Chill, you wouldn't need Melo or a max UFA... I assume the team would go after an upgrade at starting C and a BU PG

but would that be enough for a ring? yes Chandler is turning into something special but he's still "developing".

I think that's a bet that Douglas, Fields, and Gallo continune developing, and maybe even guys like Mozgov and AR, more than it is about Chandler. I think his value to the team at SF is similar to Tayshaun Prince's when they contended... a player who might make an All Star team or two but that's it, but can be a key cog on a good (or is dangerous?) team

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1/6/2011  10:50 AM
JohnWallace44 wrote:
Andrew wrote:
JohnWallace44 wrote:The RealGM clip of that article says Wilson will command a $10 million per year salary for five years.

So... I guess we can expect Turiaf/Mozgov/Gallo to be dumped for expiring deals? Otherwise the math is pretty tough.

Tough for what?

Well Donnie's other quotes state that he's going to leave cap flexibility to sign a Melo type player. That math doesn't work. Turiaf and Moz would have to go or you can't fit all those pieces in.

"Melo type player"? isn't that Wilson Chandler? kind of redundant. I say sacrifice Wil for Melo. get a 2nd Superstar for STAT while he's at his peek. but it seems that Donnie's made up his mind.

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1/6/2011  10:51 AM

Agents a players try to also get a good fit than just money. Wilson in another system is not as valuable.

MDA has a reputation of "Getting players paid". The system enhances your statistics.

MDA made Nash a borderline allstar into a two time MVP. Look what he did for Felton? You think his value is not on the rise? ONly if a team runs a system suited to enhance his skill.

Chandler has embraced his role.

Granted, one 31 pt game is not a corination, but he is getting better and better and more consistant!

Gallo also has a game that is emerging. He is shooting less, upped his shooting % and going to the line more.

We have one glaring need and thats a suitable big to play with Amear. From what I read today TD might be "getting it" about now!

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1/6/2011  12:01 PM
joec32033 wrote:
misterearl wrote:If The Answer Man Tells You That Joe Johnson did not reach the 20 point average plateau until his sixth NBA season, Bulledat

joec32033 - "but it just seems that always around the 60 game mark"

AM - This is only The Mayors fourth season. His rookie year he played 35 games, in 09 The Mayor played 70 games. Last year, coming off a more serious leg injury than he or the campaign office wanted to admit (because he is a warrior), he played 64

franco - there are still too many games that he finishes with few points and a minor impact on the game.

AM - franco, care to identify the games you are referring to? One more thing, what season have you been watching?

Don't get stuck in the past

In 09 he played 70 but played hurt for a bunch of games before they shut him down at the end if the season. It was the same last year. Don't get it twisted, it is a small sample size but in 2 out of his 3 seasons as a full time player he has not finished out a season. Maybe they are freak injuries. Maybe not. What worries me is it is at the same point every year for a young player who looks to be in constantly tremendous shape.

I am not bashing him but facts are facts. If he can put together a 77-80 game season or at least get through to the end without a nagging injury it would be huge in my mind. Keep in mind my main point is he seems to get hurt or start feeling it at the same point every year and his numbers do start to dip.

I am not bashing him, I have been impressed with him this year and may actually may starting to become a fan of his, but as of now I personally-not that it means much In the big picture-have concerns about him.

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Don't try to sugar it up! We all know how you really feel about Chandler. He will be an allstar point blank!

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1/6/2011  12:05 PM
Papabear wrote:
joec32033 wrote:
misterearl wrote:If The Answer Man Tells You That Joe Johnson did not reach the 20 point average plateau until his sixth NBA season, Bulledat

joec32033 - "but it just seems that always around the 60 game mark"

AM - This is only The Mayors fourth season. His rookie year he played 35 games, in 09 The Mayor played 70 games. Last year, coming off a more serious leg injury than he or the campaign office wanted to admit (because he is a warrior), he played 64

franco - there are still too many games that he finishes with few points and a minor impact on the game.

AM - franco, care to identify the games you are referring to? One more thing, what season have you been watching?

Don't get stuck in the past

In 09 he played 70 but played hurt for a bunch of games before they shut him down at the end if the season. It was the same last year. Don't get it twisted, it is a small sample size but in 2 out of his 3 seasons as a full time player he has not finished out a season. Maybe they are freak injuries. Maybe not. What worries me is it is at the same point every year for a young player who looks to be in constantly tremendous shape.

I am not bashing him but facts are facts. If he can put together a 77-80 game season or at least get through to the end without a nagging injury it would be huge in my mind. Keep in mind my main point is he seems to get hurt or start feeling it at the same point every year and his numbers do start to dip.

I am not bashing him, I have been impressed with him this year and may actually may starting to become a fan of his, but as of now I personally-not that it means much In the big picture-have concerns about him.

Papabear Says

Don't try to sugar it up! We all know how you really feel about Chandler. He will be an allstar point blank!

Joec32033 Says

Do you really? Enlighten me as to what the popular belief is on my feelings about Chandler.

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1/6/2011  12:49 PM
As good as Chandler's been playing, and as young as he is, it's a no-brainer that he be re-signed. We need versatile players like him who can make a solid contribution on both ends of the floor like Wil does.

Keep the smart moves coming and make this good team better, Donnie.

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1/6/2011  1:31 PM
fishmike wrote:
tkf wrote:
Childs2Dudley wrote:
Juice wrote:http://www.nypost.com/p/sports/knicks/donnie_wilson_fan_PQcGtNh4lCpbTVfAIEIQ9J?CMP=OTC-rss&FEEDNAME=


PURE ETHER for those who doubted. And you know what the ink isn't close to dry but we have it here in black and white so barring no injuries and continued play our GM has to put the money where his mouth is.

I have no idea what you're saying but thank you for posting the link as clarification to this topic.

I would like to re-sign Chandler too and I think it is better that Walsh is waiting till the summer to sign Chandler because he needed to see if Chandler would finally take the next step in his career and become a better player. Chandler has done that so far, despite a rocky start to the season. If he continues playing like this (smarter and more efficient than what he used to play like) than I would absolutely support re-signing Chandler to a reasonable contract.

yea, but the numbers being thrown around are 5 years and 60 mil? do you want to give him that much? Honestly, signing a player also opens up a trade, especially if he has a reasonable deal...


He's 22 and already in the same class as SF types making that cash like maggette or RJ. Would you rather have chandler for $10mm or melo for $17 or worse.... $20mm plus which is what that extension would pay him?

We should be trying to get both. Wilson and Melo are much better than Fields and Gallo, and I want the former duo combining with Felton and Amare. I'd be willing to give up F & G and a little more in a trade for Melo. Otherwise, it will be hard to keep Wilson and get Melo.
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1/6/2011  2:43 PM
According to a league source, Chandler might seek a five-year deal worth $60 million.

this is about what i expected his value to be... pretty much the same as Luol Deng signed for.

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1/6/2011  3:52 PM
The Mayor

Q. BigSmOOth - what's up with that nickname?

A. Wilson Chandler's numbers are "up" with that nickname, across the board

Chicks dig the strong silent type

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D Walsh--we will sign Wilson Chandler

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