With that cost, you can't sign a 'Melo and Chandler next season. So are you better off subtracting Wil and going for 'Melo? Or are you better off letting 'Melo go elsewhere, keeping Wil and getting someone like Camby which would give you flexibility for 2012 to get a Deron Williams type when Camby and Felton expire. (assuming the CBA stays the same)

JohnWallace44 wrote:Point of this post is that Wilson's going to cost you at least Matthews type money with is north of $5mil, a Crawford type deal.

With that cost, you can't sign a 'Melo and Chandler next season. So are you better off subtracting Wil and going for 'Melo? Or are you better off letting 'Melo go elsewhere, keeping Wil and getting someone like Camby which would give you flexibility for 2012 to get a Deron Williams type when Camby and Felton expire. (assuming the CBA stays the same)

That is the $100 million dollar question. Not an easy one for Donnie to figure out eh?

Marv wrote:imo this franchise could NOT afford to re-sign lee. that would have been a huge step backwards. we came out of SUCH a s@@t-hole place as a franchise and needed radical change. the layden and isiah years were beyond pathetic, truly laughingstock mismanagement, horrible decision-making, fiscal irresponsibility and horrible performance years. donnie came along offering 2 years in purgatory and then let's move forward. with all that cap space open we HAD to sign amear, he was essential for any chance of establishing a new direction and sense of hope. you take that opportunity and spend it on re-upping a guy who was not going to lead us anywhere and you commit a COLASSAL error imo.

agreed

knicks1248 wrote:If there's no melo in the picture then you keep chandler for a decent amount, 6 mill range, whats wrong with that

i think he's gonna command at least $9-10M on his 1st year

Rookie wrote:sorry...not an expert....but wouldn't wilson have a ?cap hold? which would be a percentage over what he is currently getting? If so...couldn't we sign Melo, then re-sign Wilson and go over the cap? Dunno....not an expert, just asking really

we don't get to use Wilson's Bird Rights if we have cap space... it's 1 or the other... the only way we can use Wilson's Bird Rights to go over the cap to resign him is if we trade for Melo at the deadline this year... if we wait til free agency then we have to renounce Wilson's rights to free up the cap hold & be able to sign Melo as a FA.

D'Antoni has made a lot of wings rich in this league after short stints with the Suns. Maybe you roll the dice that he can do it for the fourth or fifth time with some player that Donnie plucks out of the draft.

Rookie wrote:not sure what next seasons cap is gonna be...but what i'm saying is that we sign Melo to whatever the difference is less Wilson's cap hold...if there is a difference...in the first year..then, can't we then negotiate and sign wilson for whatever his market value is and go over the cap? Not trying to be argumentative, just want to know if it is allowed under the rules

no, u can't... u don't get to use Wilson's Bird Rights to go over the cap to sign him if you already used your cap space to sign other players... for example, say we have $20M worth of cap space & Melo commands a max $17M salary... we still have to account for Wilson's cap hold (~$6M)... in that case, the actual cap space we have available to use is only $14M unless we renounce Wilson's rights & he becomes an unrestricted free agent... bottomline is we won't have enough cap space to accomodate both their contracts unless we dump other salaries for expirings this year, like Mozgov, Turiaf, AR, Gallo, etc., or if the salary cap gets increased by a significant margin, which we already know is probably not gonna happen... u don't get to use any exceptions like the MLE, LLE or Bird Rights & still use cap space to sign players in the same offseason... it's one or the other.

One overlooked aspect of Chandler:

He got drafted to a really really bad team. Crazy coach. Circus in the locker room. Franchise players are Eddy Curry who eats everything and Marbury who eats vaseline. Laughingstock of the NBA. Got injured. Saw all his boys come and go. He's young, he's (relatively) rich and he's in the perfect place for a loaded twentysomething quasi celebrity to piss it all down the drain. Every vice you want is in this city at any time of day/

And he still put in work. Every aspect of his game has improved. He's stayed out of trouble. Other than the weed thing, which I think isn't a big deal at all, possibly because I may have hit an L or two in the past. He could have easily gone the way of so many other athletic, talented players put into crappy situations.

I really hope that after he gets paid he doesn't just rest on his laurels and come into camp out of shape and stop working on his game. That would crush me.

GodSaveTheKnicks wrote:Should we not be able to land Melo, Chandler looks like one hell of a consolation prize.

One overlooked aspect of Chandler:

He got drafted to a really really bad team. Crazy coach. Circus in the locker room. Franchise players are Eddy Curry who eats everything and Marbury who eats vaseline. Laughingstock of the NBA. Got injured. Saw all his boys come and go. He's young, he's (relatively) rich and he's in the perfect place for a loaded twentysomething quasi celebrity to piss it all down the drain. Every vice you want is in this city at any time of day/

And he still put in work. Every aspect of his game has improved. He's stayed out of trouble. Other than the weed thing, which I think isn't a big deal at all, possibly because I may have hit an L or two in the past. He could have easily gone the way of so many other athletic, talented players put into crappy situations.

I really hope that after he gets paid he doesn't just rest on his laurels and come into camp out of shape and stop working on his game. That would crush me.