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John Hollinger predicts Knick mediocrity
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fishmike
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1/5/2011  8:10 AM
Briggs is more interesting to read than Hollinger
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1/5/2011  8:33 AM
crzymdups wrote:my favorite is this reaction from twitter:
tknicksblog Seth Rosenthal
RT @netw3rk: Before season "Knicks will win 35 games

3 of our 5 starters (Chandler, Fields, & Felton) are having far better years than could have been predicted, while the other two have been either about where you'd predict (Gallo) or slightly above where you'd predict (Amare). So it makes sense that a statistical prediction system would underestimate our team's performance. It's not like anyone who ignored statistics correctly predicted that Chandler, Fields, & Felton would have the years they've had either.
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1/5/2011  8:52 AM
Interesting that the top 6 seeds in the East are all on a winning streak right now. All those teams are playing well.

Its starting to seem like without a streak by the Knicks or a bad stretch by Atlanta or Orlando the Knicks will be the 6 seed going up against Chicago.

Alan Hahn: Nate Robinson has been on a ridonkulous scoring tear lately (remember when he couldn't hit Jerome James with a Big Mac in early January?)
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1/5/2011  8:58 AM
Bonn1997 wrote:
crzymdups wrote:my favorite is this reaction from twitter:
tknicksblog Seth Rosenthal
RT @netw3rk: Before season "Knicks will win 35 games

3 of our 5 starters (Chandler, Fields, & Felton) are having far better years than could have been predicted, while the other two have been either about where you'd predict (Gallo) or slightly above where you'd predict (Amare). So it makes sense that a statistical prediction system would underestimate our team's performance. It's not like anyone who ignored statistics correctly predicted that Chandler, Fields, & Felton would have the years they've had either.

wait a minute. you predicted amear would be at 26 ppg on 52%, 9 boards, 3 assists, 2 blocks, provide this kind of leadership impact and have the league buzzing about him as a top mvp candidate? i'd say he's way better than expected.

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1/5/2011  9:32 AM
Hollinger don't bother me.

The truth is always on the court. Predictions are tough. Some teams rise and some faulter. Somtimes you come into a bad team on a winning streak. Remember when Larry's knicks won 5 straight? WE sucked but not that week!

Its the NBA, Even Memphis has talent to walk into LA and beat Lakers.

Maybe Hollinger will be right. Don't bother me if he writes what he thinks. HE gotta write something.

We don't have a deep bench. Some think its think cause MDA don't go there but we know its thin and he is really trying to get in the playoffs and mabye go for the 5th seed.

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1/5/2011  9:44 AM
Marv wrote:
Bonn1997 wrote:
crzymdups wrote:my favorite is this reaction from twitter:
tknicksblog Seth Rosenthal
RT @netw3rk: Before season "Knicks will win 35 games

3 of our 5 starters (Chandler, Fields, & Felton) are having far better years than could have been predicted, while the other two have been either about where you'd predict (Gallo) or slightly above where you'd predict (Amare). So it makes sense that a statistical prediction system would underestimate our team's performance. It's not like anyone who ignored statistics correctly predicted that Chandler, Fields, & Felton would have the years they've had either.

wait a minute. you predicted amear would be at 26 ppg on 52%, 9 boards, 3 assists, 2 blocks, provide this kind of leadership impact and have the league buzzing about him as a top mvp candidate? i'd say he's way better than expected.

I actually agree with Bonn on this one. I think a lot of people were selling Amar'e way short this offseason, but not everyone made that mistake. He's playing better than expected, but some of us did think he was a bit better than Bosh.

Wishing everyone well. I enjoyed posting here for a while, but as I matured I realized this forum isn't for me. We all evolve. Thanks for the memories everyone.
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1/5/2011  10:03 AM
Amare is on a MVP run and if he can bring it in at the 5th seed it makes for a big turn around.

MVP puts you in HOF.

He has two things to do. A championship and MVP. Do that and your a NY legend for life. Don't have to be the same year.

Amare played like this last year in the second half of the season.

Lebron phucked up.

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1/5/2011  10:07 AM    LAST EDITED: 1/5/2011  10:10 AM
Marv wrote:
Bonn1997 wrote:
crzymdups wrote:my favorite is this reaction from twitter:
tknicksblog Seth Rosenthal
RT @netw3rk: Before season "Knicks will win 35 games

3 of our 5 starters (Chandler, Fields, & Felton) are having far better years than could have been predicted, while the other two have been either about where you'd predict (Gallo) or slightly above where you'd predict (Amare). So it makes sense that a statistical prediction system would underestimate our team's performance. It's not like anyone who ignored statistics correctly predicted that Chandler, Fields, & Felton would have the years they've had either.

wait a minute. you predicted amear would be at 26 ppg on 52%, 9 boards, 3 assists, 2 blocks, provide this kind of leadership impact and have the league buzzing about him as a top mvp candidate? i'd say he's way better than expected.


I'd say he's playing better than expected but not quite as well as he did in his top two seasons in Phoenix. Those two years, he averaged about 26 PPG on fewer shots and turnovers. But if you want to say 4 of the 5 starters were way better than anyone expected, that only further supports the point of my previous reply anyway.
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1/5/2011  10:10 AM
Nalod wrote:Amare is on a MVP run and if he can bring it in at the 5th seed it makes for a big turn around.

MVP puts you in HOF.

He has two things to do. A championship and MVP. Do that and your a NY legend for life. Don't have to be the same year.

Amare played like this last year in the second half of the season.

Lebron phucked up.

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1/5/2011  10:11 AM
Nalod wrote:Amare is on a MVP run and if he can bring it in at the 5th seed it makes for a big turn around.

MVP puts you in HOF.

He has two things to do. A championship and MVP. Do that and your a NY legend for life. Don't have to be the same year.

Amare played like this last year in the second half of the season.

Lebron phucked up.


It's premature to say that. I'm sure if he wins rings in Miami, he won't care about anything Amare does in NY.
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1/5/2011  10:15 AM
Nalod wrote:Hollinger don't bother me.

The truth is always on the court. Predictions are tough. Some teams rise and some faulter. Somtimes you come into a bad team on a winning streak. Remember when Larry's knicks won 5 straight? WE sucked but not that week!

Its the NBA, Even Memphis has talent to walk into LA and beat Lakers.

Maybe Hollinger will be right. Don't bother me if he writes what he thinks. HE gotta write something.

We don't have a deep bench. Some think its think cause MDA don't go there but we know its thin and he is really trying to get in the playoffs and mabye go for the 5th seed.

Same here. Let them write/spew their venom. They have the right to say whatever they want. It will be fun when they are eating crow in the end.

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1/5/2011  10:47 AM
(Knocking on wood) I can't WAIT for the playoffs

We'll be able to draw conclusions after 82 games against the good, the bad, and the ugly in the NBA.

Beating the Spurs is good. Putting the most points on them that they've seen in a while is awesome even if it's true that this was a matchup of 2 of the NBAs fastest paced teams.

I've seen tons of posts trying to temper the giddiness following big wins. It usually goes something like:

Tonight was great but we won't be able to do that in the playoffs when a good team and a good coach will be able to make adjustments in the middle of the series.

It'll be a great test of MDA's ability as a coach to force other teams to adjust to how WE play. You hear this all the time around March Madness and during the playoffs too, right? We're just going to go out there and make them play at our temp/style/etc.

I hope this current team is still together so we can see just how far off we are from being a legit contender. Do we need a proven assassin like Melo? Will organic growth of the current core + shoring up areas of need (defense, rebounding) be enough?

Can't wait but also enjoying the ride.

Let's try to elevate the level of discourse in this byeetch. Please
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1/5/2011  11:04 AM
Bonn1997 wrote:
Nalod wrote:Amare is on a MVP run and if he can bring it in at the 5th seed it makes for a big turn around.

MVP puts you in HOF.

He has two things to do. A championship and MVP. Do that and your a NY legend for life. Don't have to be the same year.

Amare played like this last year in the second half of the season.

Lebron phucked up.


It's premature to say that. I'm sure if he wins rings in Miami, he won't care about anything Amare does in NY.


Big difference winning in Miami vs. Winning it all in NYC.

Lebron Phuched up.

Only thing is if we had money for Rainman.

Stat may be league MVP but Rainman is the Knick MVP.

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1/5/2011  11:13 AM
Nalod wrote:
Bonn1997 wrote:
Nalod wrote:Amare is on a MVP run and if he can bring it in at the 5th seed it makes for a big turn around.

MVP puts you in HOF.

He has two things to do. A championship and MVP. Do that and your a NY legend for life. Don't have to be the same year.

Amare played like this last year in the second half of the season.

Lebron phucked up.


It's premature to say that. I'm sure if he wins rings in Miami, he won't care about anything Amare does in NY.


Big difference winning in Miami vs. Winning it all in NYC.

Lebron Phuched up.

Only thing is if we had money for Rainman.

Stat may be league MVP but Rainman is the Knick MVP.

Big difference to us. Maybe he just wants to win rings in Miami and have a mansion on the beach.

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1/5/2011  2:23 PM
"The NBA announced earlier Tuesday that the rematch between the teams on Jan. 21 in San Antonio has been added to the national TV schedule and will be on ESPN."

hahahahahhahaaa....please stay tuned...mediocre teams to be announced...LMAO!

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1/6/2011  1:23 PM
F Hollinger. There's a difference between Mediocre and non-Elite. There are second tier teams that don't just sneak into the playoffs.

I'm going to hang my ass out there, and say the Knicks get the 4 seed this year. That's better than mediocre.

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1/6/2011  1:27 PM
Panos wrote:F Hollinger. There's a difference between Mediocre and non-Elite. There are second tier teams that don't just sneak into the playoffs.

I'm going to hang my ass out there, and say the Knicks get the 4 seed this year. That's better than mediocre.


That's not a criticism of his PER system, though. You just don't like the adjective he used to describe the team.
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1/6/2011  1:29 PM
Bonn1997 wrote:
Panos wrote:F Hollinger. There's a difference between Mediocre and non-Elite. There are second tier teams that don't just sneak into the playoffs.

I'm going to hang my ass out there, and say the Knicks get the 4 seed this year. That's better than mediocre.


That's not a criticism of his PER system, though. You just don't like the adjective he used to describe the team.


Adjectives are part of the language we express ourselves in. If you can't use adjectives well, you shouldn't be a damn reporter.

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