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GodSaveTheKnicks
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1/4/2011  9:13 AM
Childs2Dudley wrote:The AR thing needs to be put to rest because he will never play meaningful minutes for Mike.

The guys who will get Gallo's minutes are Shawne Williams and Bill Walker.

I dunno about never. But yeah most likely those two guys will get more minutes. What does MDA do if Walker sucks or Williams shot is off?

Let's try to elevate the level of discourse in this byeetch. Please
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1/4/2011  9:27 AM
GodSaveTheKnicks wrote:
Childs2Dudley wrote:The AR thing needs to be put to rest because he will never play meaningful minutes for Mike.

The guys who will get Gallo's minutes are Shawne Williams and Bill Walker.

I dunno about never. But yeah most likely those two guys will get more minutes. What does MDA do if Walker sucks or Williams shot is off?

we lose the game.

You go with the players who are playing the best. Thats how the team maintains order also. Your Alpha dogs lead the pack and trust who is getting the job done. In the Past MDA had to deal with expiring ego vets and their distaste to defer to rookies who were untested and were taking shots away from new contracts. This team has a different priority.

Shawn Williams likley gets the start. If Moz is healthy and playing well in practice he gets a look but with a short leash. Its no good to play in fear of making a mistake but this is a tough business and he has to prove himself. Same with AR.

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1/4/2011  9:58 AM
Anthony Randolph provides nothing to help us win or replace what Danilo Gallinari was producing. Shawne Williams, Bill Walker, Roger Mason and Andy Rautins play before Randolph.
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1/4/2011  10:32 AM
The one play that sticks in my head is the one where AR and the rest of the Knicks are back-pedaling into position on defense and some forward blows past him to the hoop for a layup without AR even turning his head. AR looks at the rest of the Knicks like; "was that my guy?" Then the camera pans to MikeD in full freak-out mode and I don't think AR ever played another meaningful minute this season.

I could see playing him against San Antonio because he's the type of player who could be "on" and steal you a win. However, I would in no way support playing him against teams that we are supposed to beat because he's more likely to lose you a game against a bad team than he is to steal you a win against a good team.

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1/4/2011  10:51 AM
The fact that AR in his 3rd season has made it a competition for minutes between him and Mozgov and Walker and Mason and Rautins should be an embarrassment to him. He should be blowing these guys out of the water and yet he isn't.
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1/4/2011  11:06 AM
Bippity10 wrote:The fact that AR in his 3rd season has made it a competition for minutes between him and Mozgov and Walker and Mason and Rautins should be an embarrassment to him. He should be blowing these guys out of the water and yet he isn't.

dude can't beat out Billy Walker.

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1/4/2011  11:09 AM
martin wrote:
Bippity10 wrote:The fact that AR in his 3rd season has made it a competition for minutes between him and Mozgov and Walker and Mason and Rautins should be an embarrassment to him. He should be blowing these guys out of the water and yet he isn't.

dude can't beat out Billy Walker.

I'm surprised more people aren't outraged by this. He can't beat out Billy Walker and his minutes may even go to Timofey Mozgov before him. Come on AR!!! Why is this even a debate????

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1/4/2011  11:10 AM
Bippity10 wrote:
martin wrote:
Bippity10 wrote:The fact that AR in his 3rd season has made it a competition for minutes between him and Mozgov and Walker and Mason and Rautins should be an embarrassment to him. He should be blowing these guys out of the water and yet he isn't.

dude can't beat out Billy Walker.

I'm surprised more people aren't outraged by this. He can't beat out Billy Walker and his minutes may even go to Timofey Mozgov before him. Come on AR!!! Why is this even a debate????

apparently he should just be given the minutes

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1/4/2011  11:36 AM    LAST EDITED: 1/4/2011  11:36 AM
Dantoni is stubborn to some degree. he said when gallo gets back, he is still going with chandler and stat in the front court.. so no hope of playing a center.. turiaf will start until gallo gets back and then back to the bench turiaf will go.. wow..

I liked us better when turiaf was starting and healthy and chandler was coming off the bench scoring..

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1/4/2011  12:24 PM
GodSaveTheKnicks wrote:
Childs2Dudley wrote:The AR thing needs to be put to rest because he will never play meaningful minutes for Mike.

The guys who will get Gallo's minutes are Shawne Williams and Bill Walker.

I dunno about never. But yeah most likely those two guys will get more minutes. What does MDA do if Walker sucks or Williams shot is off?

Walker has sucked the past 3 games but he continues to get minutes... i don't think that will change AR's status.

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1/4/2011  12:25 PM
crzymdups wrote:If Turiaf starts, we need a big off the bench. The only big off the bench worth looking at is AR.

Shawne Williams and Bill Walker are both playing well. They are not bigs.

We need another big. PLAY AR.

Say it with me: PLAY AR.

i think MDA would play SW at the 4... but i agree w/u, it makes sense to play AR... dunno if that's gonna happen tho.

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1/4/2011  12:27 PM
iSergio wrote:Anthony Randolph provides nothing to help us win or replace what Danilo Gallinari was producing. Shawne Williams, Bill Walker, Roger Mason and Andy Rautins play before Randolph.

a guy that averaged 7 rebounds in 23 minutes last year can't help us solve our need in rebounding?

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1/4/2011  12:28 PM
SupremeCommander wrote:
Bippity10 wrote:
martin wrote:
Bippity10 wrote:The fact that AR in his 3rd season has made it a competition for minutes between him and Mozgov and Walker and Mason and Rautins should be an embarrassment to him. He should be blowing these guys out of the water and yet he isn't.

dude can't beat out Billy Walker.

I'm surprised more people aren't outraged by this. He can't beat out Billy Walker and his minutes may even go to Timofey Mozgov before him. Come on AR!!! Why is this even a debate????

apparently he should just be given the minutes

Bill Walker put up donuts in the past 3 games, u don't think AR could do better than that? i find that hard to believe.

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1/4/2011  12:33 PM
TMS wrote:
iSergio wrote:Anthony Randolph provides nothing to help us win or replace what Danilo Gallinari was producing. Shawne Williams, Bill Walker, Roger Mason and Andy Rautins play before Randolph.

a guy that averaged 7 rebounds in 23 minutes last year can't help us solve our need in rebounding?

Seriously..WTF? No attempt (and I'm talking a real attempt/a long enough look to really come to a conclusion) was made to really see if he could help out in this area.

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1/4/2011  12:38 PM
TMS wrote:
SupremeCommander wrote:
Bippity10 wrote:
martin wrote:
Bippity10 wrote:The fact that AR in his 3rd season has made it a competition for minutes between him and Mozgov and Walker and Mason and Rautins should be an embarrassment to him. He should be blowing these guys out of the water and yet he isn't.

dude can't beat out Billy Walker.

I'm surprised more people aren't outraged by this. He can't beat out Billy Walker and his minutes may even go to Timofey Mozgov before him. Come on AR!!! Why is this even a debate????

apparently he should just be given the minutes

Bill Walker put up donuts in the past 3 games, u don't think AR could do better than that? i find that hard to believe.

I think Bill Walker deserves a little wiggle room because he had been a decent rotation piece previously... I don't like AR's game at all. He'll probably put up better numbers than Walker but Ar will be doing his own thing on both ends of the court and I have no patience for that

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1/4/2011  12:47 PM
If AR doesn't get any playing time while Gallo is out, he's never going to get any playing time with the Knicks- he'll just get traded in Feb. It's a shame, when you think back to his enthusiasm when he was first traded here, and how he was glad to be out of Nelson doghouse (turns out D'Antoni's is even worse!)- shame it's come to this, I was really rooting for him.

Maybe his athleticism and jumping ability has improved since the pre-season (Berman said today that he has looked very athletic in practice lately)- it was definitely lacking back then.

I don't know, even though reason tells me he's not going to make it as a Knick, and that Gallo's minutes will be taken up by Walker and Williams, I'm still going to be hoping he gets one last chance over the coming games, and he makes the most of it.
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1/4/2011  12:50 PM
SupremeCommander wrote:
TMS wrote:
SupremeCommander wrote:
Bippity10 wrote:
martin wrote:
Bippity10 wrote:The fact that AR in his 3rd season has made it a competition for minutes between him and Mozgov and Walker and Mason and Rautins should be an embarrassment to him. He should be blowing these guys out of the water and yet he isn't.

dude can't beat out Billy Walker.

I'm surprised more people aren't outraged by this. He can't beat out Billy Walker and his minutes may even go to Timofey Mozgov before him. Come on AR!!! Why is this even a debate????

apparently he should just be given the minutes

Bill Walker put up donuts in the past 3 games, u don't think AR could do better than that? i find that hard to believe.

I think Bill Walker deserves a little wiggle room because he had been a decent rotation piece previously... I don't like AR's game at all. He'll probably put up better numbers than Walker but Ar will be doing his own thing on both ends of the court and I have no patience for that

i think Walker had his moments last year, but this season he has really failed to impress me in the minutes he's gotten... he doesn't play defense, he doesn't grab rebounds, he's slow up & down the floor, & he hasn't shown nearly the same athleticism or explosion that he did last year even though he lost weight this year... he's pretty much become a 3 pt specialist... more than 60% of his FG attempts are 3's this year... a guy w/his type of athletic ability should be slashing to the rim & taking higher % shots IMO... right now our need is for a rebounding big, not for another guy who wants to settle for 3's all game long... we already have Shawne Williams & TD shooting 3's from the perimeter, we don't need Walker to do that off the bench.

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1/4/2011  12:52 PM
smackeddog wrote:If AR doesn't get any playing time while Gallo is out, he's never going to get any playing time with the Knicks- he'll just get traded in Feb. It's a shame, when you think back to his enthusiasm when he was first traded here, and how he was glad to be out of Nelson doghouse (turns out D'Antoni's is even worse!)- shame it's come to this, I was really rooting for him.

Maybe his athleticism and jumping ability has improved since the pre-season (Berman said today that he has looked very athletic in practice lately)- it was definitely lacking back then.

I don't know, even though reason tells me he's not going to make it as a Knick, and that Gallo's minutes will be taken up by Walker and Williams, I'm still going to be hoping he gets one last chance over the coming games, and he makes the most of it.

i agree... i'm not optimistic at all about AR's chances to break into the regular rotation... once u get into MDA's doghouse, it's almost impossible to get out... i really wanted to get good value out of trading David Lee but right now the outlook is grim that's gonna happen.

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1/4/2011  12:59 PM
TMS wrote:
SupremeCommander wrote:
Bippity10 wrote:
martin wrote:
Bippity10 wrote:The fact that AR in his 3rd season has made it a competition for minutes between him and Mozgov and Walker and Mason and Rautins should be an embarrassment to him. He should be blowing these guys out of the water and yet he isn't.

dude can't beat out Billy Walker.

I'm surprised more people aren't outraged by this. He can't beat out Billy Walker and his minutes may even go to Timofey Mozgov before him. Come on AR!!! Why is this even a debate????

apparently he should just be given the minutes

Bill Walker put up donuts in the past 3 games, u don't think AR could do better than that? i find that hard to believe.

I think he can do way better then that. That is why I'm so disappointed in him. This shouldn't be a competition and yet whe AR got his shot he shot 28% and didn't astound in decision making , rebounding, shotblocking or defense. Its time for him to stop fooling around and force the staff to oplay him. This competition is a joke

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1/4/2011  1:18 PM
I think AR will get some burn - it could help increase his value, which heading up to Feb deadline is important if he's not going to be a part of this team long term. I'm sure Walsh and D'Antoni are on the same page with this - "you want Carmelo, get AR's value up".
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