There were talking about that team is old and needed to be broken up, RJ was a horrible fit, just like he was with the bucks ( he had his consistancy with the nets)and now all of a sudden, bam, there a 70 win team just by adding a rookie..

But there doing it collectively, they play smart ass basketball, and they have there roles identify. Duncan plays within the system, doesn't force the issue, they never ever go one on one (maybe manu on occassions) they play with superior poise and understanding (just like that bulls dynasty) of the game..They have had quite a few games where they clearly should have lost, and found a way to come back in the final minutes, seconds..whaever.

We have a team that can develope into a dynasty with maybe one or 2 moves, but I think it's a must that we keep our young core, and build on it as oppose to sacrificing it for another super star that may not be the right fit

knicks1248 wrote:I here what your saying FISH, but lets be honest, the spurs essentially have the same team that got swept by a Suns team that didn't exactly play lock down defense..

There were talking about that team is old and needed to be broken up, RJ was a horrible fit, just like he was with the bucks ( he had his consistancy with the nets)and now all of a sudden, bam, there a 70 win team just by adding a rookie..

But there doing it collectively, they play smart ass basketball, and they have there roles identify. Duncan plays within the system, doesn't force the issue, they never ever go one on one (maybe manu on occassions) they play with superior poise and understanding (just like that bulls dynasty) of the game..They have had quite a few games where they clearly should have lost, and found a way to come back in the final minutes, seconds..whaever.

We have a team that can develope into a dynasty with maybe one or 2 moves, but I think it's a must that we keep our young core, and build on it as oppose to sacrificing it for another super star that may not be the right fit

Spurs opted to stick with what they have, mostly because with Hill, Blair, etc they have some younger parts that are getting better also.

For me the Knicks are simple. We need a shooting guard and a center. Maybe thats Mosgov, AR, Jerome Jordan, Shawne Williams or Andy Rautins. I dont know. Time will tell... which is the point of what I am saying. The window on the Knicks is not small. Its a playoff team now and one of the youngest in the league. If Amare slows down a bit we should be able to adjust with talent and depth just like SA has. The formula of riding one or two guys to the promise land isnt realistic.

I think the goal should be 6-7 high level guys, borderline all stars and have that one guy who can impress his will on a game as Amare does. Knicks are just too young to be consistant right now. Give them time to learn

fishmike wrote:

SupremeCommander wrote:

fishmike wrote:

VDesai wrote:Tim Duncan is averaging about 13 ppg yet the Spurs are the best team in the league. They've got someone I've never heard of getting 8 ppg off the bench for them. Sometimes its about coaching and teamwork, not superstars.

clearly you havent been paying attention to the Melo threads

I think this understates just how good Tony Parker has been, just as it does how good their top 11 are

The Spurs are the team the Knicks should look at. Are they that much more talented then the Knicks? Are Duncan/Manu/RJ/Parker that much superior in talent than Amare/Chandler/Gallo/Felton?

I dont think they are, and they are showing that 4 very good players are just as good as the coveted pair of superstars.

I think Amare/Felton are just as good as Duncan/Parker right now today. The big difference is our secondary guys in Gallo/Chandler/Fields are all 22-23 years old and still learning their NBA games. RJ and Manu arent more talented per say, but they are 100x more consistant. They are playoff tested NBA rotation players. The difference is telling night in and night out. Spurs are cutting edge when it comes to consistancy.

Fishmike: Tim Duncan is one of the best players to ever tie the laces. He's incredible. The entire organization is built on him and his humble excellence.

And Parker and Ginobili are better than anyone on the Knicks not named Amar'e.

Blair will have 20 rebounds tomorrow.

The Spurs are great... I think the Knicks will hang tough... but I don't think we have enough punch to beat them without Gallo.

crzymdups wrote:

fishmike wrote:

SupremeCommander wrote:

fishmike wrote:

VDesai wrote:Tim Duncan is averaging about 13 ppg yet the Spurs are the best team in the league. They've got someone I've never heard of getting 8 ppg off the bench for them. Sometimes its about coaching and teamwork, not superstars.

clearly you havent been paying attention to the Melo threads

I think this understates just how good Tony Parker has been, just as it does how good their top 11 are

The Spurs are the team the Knicks should look at. Are they that much more talented then the Knicks? Are Duncan/Manu/RJ/Parker that much superior in talent than Amare/Chandler/Gallo/Felton?

I dont think they are, and they are showing that 4 very good players are just as good as the coveted pair of superstars.

I think Amare/Felton are just as good as Duncan/Parker right now today. The big difference is our secondary guys in Gallo/Chandler/Fields are all 22-23 years old and still learning their NBA games. RJ and Manu arent more talented per say, but they are 100x more consistant. They are playoff tested NBA rotation players. The difference is telling night in and night out. Spurs are cutting edge when it comes to consistancy.

Fishmike: Tim Duncan is one of the best players to ever tie the laces. He's incredible. The entire organization is built on him and his humble excellence.

And Parker and Ginobili are better than anyone on the Knicks not named Amar'e.

Blair will have 20 rebounds tomorrow.

The Spurs are great... I think the Knicks will hang tough... but I don't think we have enough punch to beat them without Gallo.

The Spurs are truly a model of patience and first and foremost look to improve from within. What I am doing to paying some respect to how they operated. They have the titles to prove you can with size, defense and team basketball.

I think with Amare we have star, and with Felton and Chandler we have two borderline all stars in the caliber of Parker/Manu. I think Gallo if different from RJ but certainly as talented and capable of the same impact. Their role players are much more defined and simply better than ours... right now. Knicks have a pick this year. With Douglas/Fields Walsh has shown he can use the draft to add capable rotation players with upside.

I'm just preaching patience. The Knicks will make the playoffs this year. Orl/Mia/Chi/Bos/Atl are locks (most likely) for the top 5, but the Knicks in my opinion are CLEARLY the best of the rest, and we have beaten Chi 2x already. The next best teams are Ind/Mil/Char and whichever of those teams win the 7/8 spots will have dreadful records.

Walsh isnt perfect but he's great at sticking with a plan and building a machine with pieces that compliment.

Knicks are the 6th best team in the conference and I expect that to remain for the year. I guess I 'm saying thats a good thing after a decade of losing when you consider the Knicks are easily the youngest team of the 5 in front of you.

We lost to the Celtics by 2 points and 4 points (no moral victories)

At what point do we allow ourselves to believe the Knicks have the talent to be an upper tier team?

Walsh said last year we had very talented players, but it was hard to see sometimes until they played with better talent. Low and behold. In comes Amare. Felton has clearly taken another step in his career and as a player. After that look at the rotation... Williams, Douglas, Gallo, Chandler, Fields. Average age is 23 and experience less than 100 NBA games. That doesnt even count the guys in the pipeline (AR, Mos, Rautins)

I'm open to adding a center. A guy who would clearly fit into the big picture. Aside from that there is ZERO reason to break up that young core of players which are showing they are very good and getting better.

Watch Chandler play. The thought of letting this guy walk who we could certainly sign for something like 5 years $50mm (starting around $8mm w/ 10.5% raises) to sign Melo for 3x the money is idiocy. Thank god Walsh is the master of patience.

it's not just this game, duncan's shooting #s are taking a dive this year. maybe it's just the early season and he's saving himself for the playoffs but i think duncan as a goto offensive player is gone. he's now turned into a role player.

i mean he was the focus of the offense just last year. right now he's playing under 30 minutes and averages 11 shots.

if duncan can't be duncan then i'm not sure how much of a contender these guys are. then again they are the spurs and they'll be in the discussion when it's all said and done.