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nixluva
Posts: 56258 Alba Posts: 0 Joined: 10/5/2004 Member: #758 USA |
1/2/2011 4:52 PM
It's not about AR causing us to lose. It's about the flow and the competency of the guys Mike plays. He can trust what the guys do and he has a comfort level with using the guys he's got in the rotation. He's got to get to a trust level with AR. AR is no different than Williams was at 1st. Mike doesn't make his moves very quickly, but if AR can keep working and show that he's willing to play the way they're asking him to play, then I think he'll get another shot. AR has enough talent to be able to actually take Turiaf's minutes, but he doesn't have the game or experience.
AR has to turn himself into a Camby like player, perhaps with some better overall skills, but that kind of guy. Stay in the weight room and get your butt under the basket to grab boards and block shots!!! |
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babyKnicks
Posts: 22486 Alba Posts: 0 Joined: 10/31/2006 Member: #1191 USA |
1/2/2011 4:53 PM
GustavBahler wrote:MSG3 wrote:GustavBahler wrote:babyKnicks wrote:GustavBahler wrote:nixluva wrote: Disagree. Let's go Knicks. That's amare
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CrushAlot
Posts: 59764 Alba Posts: 0 Joined: 7/25/2003 Member: #452 USA |
1/2/2011 5:53 PM
babyKnicks wrote:He played in 8 consecutive games. For seven of those games he averaged under 9 minutes. Any other minutes he has gotten since has come sporadically at the end of blow outs. I don't think he ever was given a chance to win or lose a game.GustavBahler wrote:nixluva wrote: I'm tired,I'm tired, I'm so tired right now......Kristaps Porzingis 1/3/18
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scoshin
Posts: 20584 Alba Posts: 0 Joined: 1/23/2004 Member: #568 |
1/2/2011 6:31 PM
BRIGGS, you may be down on AR, but you still don't trade a 21 year old PF/C with his potential for a late 1st round pick and a useless backup point in Telfair who'd be no better than Douglas really.
You only trade AR for that pick if we already have an agreement in place with Denver to send that pick for Melo. The pick isn't worth much to us. |
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franco12
Posts: 34069 Alba Posts: 4 Joined: 2/19/2004 Member: #599 USA |
1/2/2011 6:33 PM
Sorry- but can't you find someone in the NBDL who is as good, or maybe just slightly less good than Telfair?
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CrushAlot
Posts: 59764 Alba Posts: 0 Joined: 7/25/2003 Member: #452 USA |
1/2/2011 6:52 PM
franco12 wrote:Sorry- but can't you find someone in the NBDL who is as good, or maybe just slightly less good than Telfair?I think you can. Ten day contracts start on Wednesday. I beleive among others Antonio Daniels is down there if the Knicks wanted a vet. I'm tired,I'm tired, I'm so tired right now......Kristaps Porzingis 1/3/18
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BigDaddyG
Posts: 39913 Alba Posts: 9 Joined: 1/22/2010 Member: #3049 |
1/2/2011 7:03 PM
franco12 wrote:Sorry- but can't you find someone in the NBDL who is as good, or maybe just slightly less good than Telfair? That's what I say. Aaron Miles is averaging 16 points and 9 assists in the D-League. Walker Russell, a pre-season and summer league favorite is averaging 16 and 8. We don't have to give up anything for these. We're basically talking about a fourth or fifth guard here. Always... always remember: Less is less. More is more. More is better and twice as much is good too. Not enough is bad, and too much is never enough except when it's just about right.
- The Tick
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nixluva
Posts: 56258 Alba Posts: 0 Joined: 10/5/2004 Member: #758 USA |
1/2/2011 7:56 PM
I'd rather give Rautins a few minutes than trade for Telfair. I think we need to keep our young talent if we're not gonna get something worthwhile in a trade. AR is 21, I mean why give up so early, when having him on the bench doesn't hurt us at all?
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Papabear
Posts: 24373 Alba Posts: 2 Joined: 3/31/2007 Member: #1414 |
1/2/2011 9:41 PM
nixluva wrote:I'd rather give Rautins a few minutes than trade for Telfair. I think we need to keep our young talent if we're not gonna get something worthwhile in a trade. AR is 21, I mean why give up so early, when having him on the bench doesn't hurt us at all? Papabear Says Mike D wants him gone. End of discussion! The kid have no future here. Mike D is an AR killer. Papabear
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BRIGGS
Posts: 53275 Alba Posts: 7 Joined: 7/30/2002 Member: #303 |
1/2/2011 9:49 PM
scoshin wrote:BRIGGS, you may be down on AR, but you still don't trade a 21 year old PF/C with his potential for a late 1st round pick and a useless backup point in Telfair who'd be no better than Douglas really. Im also taking 3mm in cap space for next year. Think about what we did with cap space and picks this year. If we can do the same thing or even close to it--then we are an absolute elite team. Im very willing to do AR for a pick cap space and a serviceable player. We could use some depth--we all know that. RIP Crushalot😞
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SupremeCommander
Posts: 34057 Alba Posts: 35 Joined: 4/28/2006 Member: #1127 |
1/2/2011 9:55 PM
nixluva wrote:I'd rather give Rautins a few minutes than trade for Telfair. I think we need to keep our young talent if we're not gonna get something worthwhile in a trade. AR is 21, I mean why give up so early, when having him on the bench doesn't hurt us at all? I agree, but if it's a prelude to a Melo deal then it's a good move. Because it would probably be Telfair and a first for AR. (Just for sake of discussion) the trade then essentially becomes Fields, Gallo, AR for Melo and Telfair DLeethal wrote:
Lol Rick needs a safe space
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franco12
Posts: 34069 Alba Posts: 4 Joined: 2/19/2004 Member: #599 USA |
1/2/2011 10:36 PM
BRIGGS wrote:scoshin wrote:BRIGGS, you may be down on AR, but you still don't trade a 21 year old PF/C with his potential for a late 1st round pick and a useless backup point in Telfair who'd be no better than Douglas really. We could just release him for cap space, and I've got to imagine we can find a better deal- better pick at least. |
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nixluva
Posts: 56258 Alba Posts: 0 Joined: 10/5/2004 Member: #758 USA |
1/2/2011 11:32 PM
SupremeCommander wrote:nixluva wrote:I'd rather give Rautins a few minutes than trade for Telfair. I think we need to keep our young talent if we're not gonna get something worthwhile in a trade. AR is 21, I mean why give up so early, when having him on the bench doesn't hurt us at all? Well yeah if it leads to a deal for Melo then it makes sense. I just have my doubts. I look at teams that held on to guys like Hibbert, Batum, to a lesser extent Blatche. Sometimes you have to be patient and let players develop. I find it funny how just a few months into the season and we've gone from loving this kids potential and all that to wanting him moved in a trade. |
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TMS
Posts: 60684 Alba Posts: 617 Joined: 5/11/2004 Member: #674 USA |
1/3/2011 10:23 AM LAST EDITED: 1/3/2011 10:25 AM
nixluva wrote:SupremeCommander wrote:nixluva wrote:I'd rather give Rautins a few minutes than trade for Telfair. I think we need to keep our young talent if we're not gonna get something worthwhile in a trade. AR is 21, I mean why give up so early, when having him on the bench doesn't hurt us at all? any player that would represent an upgrade in our starting rotation is fine by me... i don't think AR is gonna get that type of opportunity in NY ever w/this head coach...at most he'll be a role player off the bench... i don't think he's gonna be Shawn Marion playing here. as for teams like the Pacers, Blazers & Wizards, all of those teams are in rebuild mode... in the case of the Pacers & Blazers they also play in a smaller market... they have a different situation that we do... we are in win now mode... the coach said it himself... no time to wait for guys to develop into something they may never become playing here... if there's a good player out there we can get like Melo, Iggy, Camby, etc. & we need to part with AR as part of that package, it's a no brainer in my eyes... i'd even be willing to trade AR to get OJ Mayo, cuz i know he'll be able to contribute off MDA's bench at the very least & he's young w/upside... just don't trade him for minor bit role players w/no upside like Telfair unless you're getting back something good like a potential lottery pick. After 7 years & 40K+ posts, banned by martin for calling Nalod a 'moron'. Awesome.
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rvwink
Posts: 20412 Alba Posts: 0 Joined: 7/3/2006 Member: #1145 |
1/3/2011 10:33 AM
By far the saddest part of posting at this forum is to witness the lack of patience of many Knick's fans. If someone is not contributing out on the court today, lets trade them for someone we might be able to use tomorrow is such a foolish way to run a team imo. (Jermaine O'Neil averaged about 4 points a game during his first 4 years in the league playing with Portland. Then he got traded and went on to have a highly successful NBA career. Its sad to me that many people here are out of patience for one of our young men in 60 days.)
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TMS
Posts: 60684 Alba Posts: 617 Joined: 5/11/2004 Member: #674 USA |
1/3/2011 10:47 AM
i don't view it as a lack of patience... if i actually got the feeling that this kid would crack MDA's rotation, i would be fine w/holding onto him, but i don't get that feeling at all... i think Andy Rautins has more of a chance to crack the rotation at this point than AR does... i think AR is gonna be trade fodder... & again, i don't trade him away for just any player.
as for Jermaine O'Neal, he was in a similar situation... u can easily argue that he was never going to get the type of opportunity in Portland that he got in Indiana to shine... this is where AR finds himself here in NY... i have zero doubt he's got the talent to be very good... i do however have my doubts if he'll ever get that opportunity to realize his potential here in NY. After 7 years & 40K+ posts, banned by martin for calling Nalod a 'moron'. Awesome.
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