fishmike wrote:

JrZyHuStLa wrote:

fishmike wrote:

Vmart wrote:

fishmike wrote:he's 22 and still figuring it out. He's got a lot of talent but clearly he's inconsistant.

This team needs a center. Not Melo, not Gallo to pick up his game.

You are 100% wrong on this. The Knicks need Melo's consistency very badly. As for a Center yes that is needed too but only after Melo is added.

I'm 100% wrong? We got outrebounded by 15 last night. How does Melo fix that? We cant stop players in the post, how does Melo fix that? We are the #1 scoring team in the NBA.

Sorry.. I'm a 100% right. If Chandler isnt dropping 25 then Gallo is picking up the slack. Consistant scoring isnt the problem. Defending the post and rebounding is. Keep telling yourself different maybe you will start to believe it

You're asking how Melo fixes our rebounding? Simple, he rebounds the basketball.

8.3 to be exact.

wow... and two above his career average. Awesome. I cant wait to trade Chandler, Gallo, Fields, Douglas and AR to get Melo and bring back Al Harrington. Good times. Think Melo makes the all star game this year or does he get beat out by someone like AK47 again?

He actually moved ahead of Gasol in voting. Yea, I think its safe to say he's an all star year after year.

Maybe everyone forgot Ewing lost because he didn't have a second star, although the team's defense was in the top 5 season after season.

fishmike wrote:

JrZyHuStLa wrote:

fishmike wrote:

JrZyHuStLa wrote:

fishmike wrote:

Vmart wrote:

fishmike wrote:he's 22 and still figuring it out. He's got a lot of talent but clearly he's inconsistant.

This team needs a center. Not Melo, not Gallo to pick up his game.

You are 100% wrong on this. The Knicks need Melo's consistency very badly. As for a Center yes that is needed too but only after Melo is added.

I'm 100% wrong? We got outrebounded by 15 last night. How does Melo fix that? We cant stop players in the post, how does Melo fix that? We are the #1 scoring team in the NBA.

Sorry.. I'm a 100% right. If Chandler isnt dropping 25 then Gallo is picking up the slack. Consistant scoring isnt the problem. Defending the post and rebounding is. Keep telling yourself different maybe you will start to believe it

You're asking how Melo fixes our rebounding? Simple, he rebounds the basketball.

8.3 to be exact.

wow... and two above his career average. Awesome. I cant wait to trade Chandler, Gallo, Fields, Douglas and AR to get Melo and bring back Al Harrington. Good times. Think Melo makes the all star game this year or does he get beat out by someone like AK47 again?

He actually moved ahead of Gasol in voting. Yea, I think its safe to say he's an all star year after year.

we should get him then. Forget rebouding and defense and that basketball is a team sport. Lets trade all our good young talent for Melo so we can lose to the Heat and the Magic every year in the 2nd round.

Thank god Walsh understands the value of the players on his roster and he's patient

If we stand pat, we're still losing to the Heat and Magic in the first round. Last night, and the 2 games against Miami is the only proof you'll need too.

Don't kid yourself.

Vmart wrote:Fish, all I have to say is keep waiting on Gallo, what is he 22 years old. One day he will make you proud and show some sort of consistency. I hope it is sooner rather than after Amare is done. I know Melo would help the Knicks vs elite teams and probably gets the Knicks over the top vs most teams. They do need rebounding but that isn't important to MDA he has AR on the bench who is not a bad rebounder and he would be able to pull rebounds but lets face it MDA needs the right type of big man or he isn't going to see the light of day. Its really nice to say we need a player that can rebound and what not but will MDA actually play the them. MDA doesn't value rebounding as much as you think. I want two things out of the Knicks 1. Keep Chandler 2. Get Melo. Once Amare was added the window became now and the Knicks have to get him help to get over the top.

As for the highest scoring team part, I don't buy into that with the Knicks it a possession game, and the fact they can't stop other teams from scoring doesn't mean as much to be the highest scoring. Melo makes them even a better scoring team that is a given.

if you get melo why do you want to keep chandler? melo and amear lock down the forward positions. chandler's not going to be your pf if you keep amear at center. is he going to be your sg? u assuming fields goes to denver? is chandler your 6th man spelling both forwards and sg? does that work?

JrZyHuStLa wrote:

fishmike wrote:

JrZyHuStLa wrote:

fishmike wrote:

JrZyHuStLa wrote:

fishmike wrote:

Vmart wrote:

fishmike wrote:he's 22 and still figuring it out. He's got a lot of talent but clearly he's inconsistant.

This team needs a center. Not Melo, not Gallo to pick up his game.

You are 100% wrong on this. The Knicks need Melo's consistency very badly. As for a Center yes that is needed too but only after Melo is added.

I'm 100% wrong? We got outrebounded by 15 last night. How does Melo fix that? We cant stop players in the post, how does Melo fix that? We are the #1 scoring team in the NBA.

Sorry.. I'm a 100% right. If Chandler isnt dropping 25 then Gallo is picking up the slack. Consistant scoring isnt the problem. Defending the post and rebounding is. Keep telling yourself different maybe you will start to believe it

You're asking how Melo fixes our rebounding? Simple, he rebounds the basketball.

8.3 to be exact.

wow... and two above his career average. Awesome. I cant wait to trade Chandler, Gallo, Fields, Douglas and AR to get Melo and bring back Al Harrington. Good times. Think Melo makes the all star game this year or does he get beat out by someone like AK47 again?

He actually moved ahead of Gasol in voting. Yea, I think its safe to say he's an all star year after year.

we should get him then. Forget rebouding and defense and that basketball is a team sport. Lets trade all our good young talent for Melo so we can lose to the Heat and the Magic every year in the 2nd round.

Thank god Walsh understands the value of the players on his roster and he's patient

If we stand pat, we're still losing to the Heat and Magic in the first round. Last night, and the 2 games against Miami is the only proof you'll need too.

Don't kid yourself.

Do you want to build and develop or do you want to starphuck your way into the 2nd round and be done ?

We are a playoff team as currently constructed.

Vmart wrote:

Marv wrote:

Vmart wrote:Fish, all I have to say is keep waiting on Gallo, what is he 22 years old. One day he will make you proud and show some sort of consistency. I hope it is sooner rather than after Amare is done. I know Melo would help the Knicks vs elite teams and probably gets the Knicks over the top vs most teams. They do need rebounding but that isn't important to MDA he has AR on the bench who is not a bad rebounder and he would be able to pull rebounds but lets face it MDA needs the right type of big man or he isn't going to see the light of day. Its really nice to say we need a player that can rebound and what not but will MDA actually play the them. MDA doesn't value rebounding as much as you think. I want two things out of the Knicks 1. Keep Chandler 2. Get Melo. Once Amare was added the window became now and the Knicks have to get him help to get over the top.

As for the highest scoring team part, I don't buy into that with the Knicks it a possession game, and the fact they can't stop other teams from scoring doesn't mean as much to be the highest scoring. Melo makes them even a better scoring team that is a given.

if you get melo why do you want to keep chandler? melo and amear lock down the forward positions. chandler's not going to be your pf if you keep amear at center. is he going to be your sg? u assuming fields goes to denver? is chandler your 6th man spelling both forwards and sg? does that work?

Marv, I am assume that Fields gets moved in the deal for Melo. Chandler is the sg he has shown that his versatility to be of great value to the Knicks. Since MDA's whole purpose is scoring I would throw a lineup of:

Melo sf
Amare pf
Turiaff c
Chandler sg
Felton pg

Bench:
Williams
Douglas
And anyone else that MDA would trust.

well i think mda has already shown he doesn't want to start ronny at c and ronny has shown he's not durable. if we're throwing in eddy's fat contract shouldn't we at least get the birdman back?

Vmart wrote:

Marv wrote:

Vmart wrote:Fish, all I have to say is keep waiting on Gallo, what is he 22 years old. One day he will make you proud and show some sort of consistency. I hope it is sooner rather than after Amare is done. I know Melo would help the Knicks vs elite teams and probably gets the Knicks over the top vs most teams. They do need rebounding but that isn't important to MDA he has AR on the bench who is not a bad rebounder and he would be able to pull rebounds but lets face it MDA needs the right type of big man or he isn't going to see the light of day. Its really nice to say we need a player that can rebound and what not but will MDA actually play the them. MDA doesn't value rebounding as much as you think. I want two things out of the Knicks 1. Keep Chandler 2. Get Melo. Once Amare was added the window became now and the Knicks have to get him help to get over the top.

As for the highest scoring team part, I don't buy into that with the Knicks it a possession game, and the fact they can't stop other teams from scoring doesn't mean as much to be the highest scoring. Melo makes them even a better scoring team that is a given.

if you get melo why do you want to keep chandler? melo and amear lock down the forward positions. chandler's not going to be your pf if you keep amear at center. is he going to be your sg? u assuming fields goes to denver? is chandler your 6th man spelling both forwards and sg? does that work?

Marv, I am assume that Fields gets moved in the deal for Melo. Chandler is the sg he has shown that his versatility to be of great value to the Knicks. Since MDA's whole purpose is scoring I would throw a lineup of:

Melo sf
Amare pf
Turiaff c
Chandler sg
Felton pg

Bench:
Williams
Douglas
And anyone else that MDA would trust.

Papabear Says

Everything looks good but the Center.

BlueSeats wrote:

fishmike wrote:We are the #1 scoring team in the NBA.

That's based on points scored, but we're not so high on more complex ratings, like points per 100 possessions

Ask yourself this, how confident are you in our halfcourt offense, or when Felton or Amare are out? That's when team confidence goes out the window.

Nate and Lee scored a lot of points too, but upgrading them has yielded vastly better results. And while you might be tempted to believe that is in part due to their upgraded D, consider that we actually give up more points this year than last.

We don't have one single hole to fill, we have many. But you only get so many chances to get studs that can carry a team year in and out.

For instance, who's easier to obtain, Melo or Fishlips? And if we got lips and wanted to start him (and lose a lot of offense in the process,) do you want him playing next to another inconsistent scorer (Gallo/Fields) or Melo?

We know we need better bigs and D, it's simply the order in which you fill your holes. It makes more sense to acquire the larger acquisition first while you have the funds and opportunity rather than blowing your wad on spare parts.

I have yet to be convinced that Melo should be the big aquisition, and guys who defend and rebound arent spare parts, they are as crucial as anything else.

How do I feel when Amare and Felton are out of the game? Considering the rest of the roster is like 23 years old yea man, it gets hectic.

You said it... "it's simply the order in which you fill your holes."

So which hole is Melo filling?

Chandler is averaging 18/6.5 and he's 23 years old, plays hard, has a great attitude and continues to get better. Yes Gallo is inconsistant, but Chandler/Gallo together are VERY consistant combo and they compliment Amare/Felton very well.

I do thank my lucky stars we have Walsh because he wont make a sh!t trade. I really hope we get Melo with a little wiggle room to use some expiring contracts to add players because once Melo is here the roster will be very tough to upgrade. Just ask Cleveland

Papabear wrote:

Vmart wrote:

Marv wrote:

Vmart wrote:Fish, all I have to say is keep waiting on Gallo, what is he 22 years old. One day he will make you proud and show some sort of consistency. I hope it is sooner rather than after Amare is done. I know Melo would help the Knicks vs elite teams and probably gets the Knicks over the top vs most teams. They do need rebounding but that isn't important to MDA he has AR on the bench who is not a bad rebounder and he would be able to pull rebounds but lets face it MDA needs the right type of big man or he isn't going to see the light of day. Its really nice to say we need a player that can rebound and what not but will MDA actually play the them. MDA doesn't value rebounding as much as you think. I want two things out of the Knicks 1. Keep Chandler 2. Get Melo. Once Amare was added the window became now and the Knicks have to get him help to get over the top.

As for the highest scoring team part, I don't buy into that with the Knicks it a possession game, and the fact they can't stop other teams from scoring doesn't mean as much to be the highest scoring. Melo makes them even a better scoring team that is a given.

if you get melo why do you want to keep chandler? melo and amear lock down the forward positions. chandler's not going to be your pf if you keep amear at center. is he going to be your sg? u assuming fields goes to denver? is chandler your 6th man spelling both forwards and sg? does that work?

Marv, I am assume that Fields gets moved in the deal for Melo. Chandler is the sg he has shown that his versatility to be of great value to the Knicks. Since MDA's whole purpose is scoring I would throw a lineup of:

Melo sf
Amare pf
Turiaff c
Chandler sg
Felton pg

Bench:
Williams
Douglas
And anyone else that MDA would trust.

Papabear Says

Everything looks good but the Center.

turiaf at center is better than chandler at SG... turiaf is not a center and chandler is not a SG.. quicker players can stay in front of chandler and that spells trouble for him... Plus he can't defend SG's.. not at all..

fishmike wrote:
So which hole is Melo filling?

Go-to-guy. They're kinda important in this league.

I do thank my lucky stars we have Walsh because he wont make a sh!t trade. I really hope we get Melo with a little wiggle room to use some expiring contracts to add players because once Melo is here the roster will be very tough to upgrade. Just ask Cleveland

Of course, but we can't ignore the Miami model either: Do whatever you need to secure the core, then fill in on the cheap.

We also can't forget LA. In theory they had plenty of scoring between Kobe and Odom, yet somehow Gasol pushes them over the top. Not Bynum.

I think as the season progresses we'll see that our 13-1 streak was an anomoly and that it's unrealistic to expect 30/10 and 20/10 consistently from Amare and Felton and that when we don't get those kinds of numbers we struggle mightily.