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Comparing the Magic and the Knicks
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BlueSeats
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12/31/2010  1:47 PM
You can't just add defenders who don't score and expect the scoring to stay the same, unless you can consolidate your scoring into fewer players.
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nixluva
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12/31/2010  2:07 PM
Uptown wrote:Amare and Howard do not cancel each other out as you suggest because Howard is much better defensively and is a much better rebounder. Orlando pieces are more talented and its to the point that Orlando doesn't even need Howard to score much to win ball games whereas if Amare isn't scoring for us, we lose.

Howard also had more minutes played and has more help than Amar'e. I think Howard for the most part is mostly canceled out by Amar'e in a Series cuz I think Amar'e will always end up scoring more than Howard. That's just my opinion.

To me the fans have to make up their minds what they want. This team was completely redone and it's a good team. A lot of fans didn't even think we'd be this good. Now that we're better than some expected it seems like there's this notion that we are in a rush now to keep up with the Jones's.

Despite losing to the top teams, we at least saw that this team has the heart to fight and compete with them. We knew they weren't as good, but we see they're much closer than many thought. I mean we were at 98-96 against the Magic and don't tell me that we couldn't have won that game at that point!!! Last game with the Heat we got to within 97-94 with 2 mins to go. That's not a game where we didn't have a chance to win. I wish people would stop painting it as if we've been totally outclassed in every matchup. What has happened is that we've dug a hole and had to climb out of that the last 2 games. LET'S NOT FORGET THAT THESE WERE ROAD GAMES!!! Against 2 of the best teams in the League.

The question isn't if we're Elite, cuz we know we're not. The thing is that the Magic basically are the same as us, but with better overall talent. They play 4-1 and have more scoring off the bench not more defense. So they are basically designed to outscore teams now just like us. In fact if we shot better at the FT line and grabbed just a few more defensive boards we win that game. The Magic defense wasn't exactly stopping us.

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12/31/2010  2:16 PM    LAST EDITED: 12/31/2010  2:17 PM
nixluva wrote:
Bonn1997 wrote:
Melo doesnt make you better than the Heat or the Magic or the Celtics.

Neither does your plan to upgrade the frontcourt. Short of magic, I don't see many paths towards us being better than the Heat during Amare's career.

I disagree. The biggest issue we have with many of the teams we've faced that are in the top 2 tiers is that we give up too many 2nd chance points and we allow too many bigs to go off in the paint. We started the year looking for a C to play next to Amare and ended up with him in the middle which only exposes him to fouls and physical punishment. Not getting anything from Timo and AR really set us back a lot. Not that it was a guarantee that they'd produce, but getting nothing is below what I expected. Heck I would settle for a Robin Lopez like 1st year from Timo.

We aren't that far off from a team like Orlando. Just cuz they were at home and had a better shooting night doesn't mean that we wouldn't be equally competitive in a series. We mainly need to tighten up our D and rebounding. We get back into games because we can DEFEND. You can't get back down from 20 points without getting stops. The problem is that our D is sporadic and not consistent for 48 minutes and the rebounding is just weak at times. I think that adding a rebounder would significantly add to our level of play and push us up into the next tier. We can score with the top teams, we just don't defend or rebound like them.


I think you gotta wake up. They have Lebron and Wade on the same freakin team--and possibly for the next decade. Those two are arguably the two best players in the game. Maybe if we get the 3rd, 4th, 5th, and 6th best players we can compete with them.
Comparing the Magic and the Knicks

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