BlueSeats wrote:

nixluva wrote:

BlueSeats wrote:They get any two of Gallo, Chandler, Fields; plus AR.

It sounds good, but if i'm Donnie I wait and see if I can convince the Cavs to give up Verajao. Even as we are now if you can add a kid like that to this group, it totally changes what we can do as a team. On most nights we can score with anyone. Tonight was just an off night. However if you can have rebounding every night, even this game would've been winnable. Just think about how close we got even as poorly as we played, but the real problem was the glass again.

They outrebounded us 51-35 and the got 17 offensive boards. I mean we're not really losing games cuz we can't score it just seems like it. We need better perimeter D and someone else in there with Amar'e to hold down the paint and the glass.

'Luva I think you nailed it weeks ago when you said a deal for Melo was long term thinking. I definitely agree that if bettering our record this year was our primary objective, filling in holes in the front court and bench would be the highest priority. I totally agree that after Felton and Amare, scoring wing players is our next biggest strength.

We definitely need a big, but we're still not sure what type. Some thought AR would be perfect because he can block shots, others thought Turiaf would be perfect because we "don't need any more scoring, just defense and rebounding" etc. I still haven't given up on the triumvirate of AR, Moz and Turiaf, but really, what's better, those three sorta okay bigs or one serious big? Wouldn't you readily consolidate those three guys for consistent big? If only we could. But it is just possible we can consolidate some of our good wing players for a great (I use the term loosely) one.

What can't be under estimated is the need for consistency. As I evidenced in another thread, our record is vastly better when Amare scores 30+ points. I'm sure we could run similar stats on Felton and Chandler/Gallo and find similar patterns. IOW, it's not that it has to come from Amare, but that we need monster games from these guys, and right now that kind of consistency is not there and it's not reasonable to expect it on a nightly basis or against the elites. It's worthwhile to consolidate to upgrade consistency - a consistency that could even extend to Amare's time on the bench.

Defensive players will have to come, but in a way it might even be easir to utilize them once you're no longer trying to spread your offense between all of Fields, Gallo and Chandler.

Build the core this year when we have the assets and opportunity for the marque acquisition, then fill in the missing pieces in the off-season and the following year with those far more readily obtainable pieces on the cheap.

Get yourself that fancy racehorse now while you have the funds, you can buy a new saddle next year.

Damn Blue seats another good post... I can't say I agree with all of it, but again, you really make it hard to argue these points.. I must post this you know where if you don't mind.. LOL

thanks

tkf wrote:

BlueSeats wrote:

nixluva wrote:

BlueSeats wrote:They get any two of Gallo, Chandler, Fields; plus AR.

It sounds good, but if i'm Donnie I wait and see if I can convince the Cavs to give up Verajao. Even as we are now if you can add a kid like that to this group, it totally changes what we can do as a team. On most nights we can score with anyone. Tonight was just an off night. However if you can have rebounding every night, even this game would've been winnable. Just think about how close we got even as poorly as we played, but the real problem was the glass again.

They outrebounded us 51-35 and the got 17 offensive boards. I mean we're not really losing games cuz we can't score it just seems like it. We need better perimeter D and someone else in there with Amar'e to hold down the paint and the glass.

'Luva I think you nailed it weeks ago when you said a deal for Melo was long term thinking. I definitely agree that if bettering our record this year was our primary objective, filling in holes in the front court and bench would be the highest priority. I totally agree that after Felton and Amare, scoring wing players is our next biggest strength.

We definitely need a big, but we're still not sure what type. Some thought AR would be perfect because he can block shots, others thought Turiaf would be perfect because we "don't need any more scoring, just defense and rebounding" etc. I still haven't given up on the triumvirate of AR, Moz and Turiaf, but really, what's better, those three sorta okay bigs or one serious big? Wouldn't you readily consolidate those three guys for consistent big? If only we could. But it is just possible we can consolidate some of our good wing players for a great (I use the term loosely) one.

What can't be under estimated is the need for consistency. As I evidenced in another thread, our record is vastly better when Amare scores 30+ points. I'm sure we could run similar stats on Felton and Chandler/Gallo and find similar patterns. IOW, it's not that it has to come from Amare, but that we need monster games from these guys, and right now that kind of consistency is not there and it's not reasonable to expect it on a nightly basis or against the elites. It's worthwhile to consolidate to upgrade consistency - a consistency that could even extend to Amare's time on the bench.

Defensive players will have to come, but in a way it might even be easir to utilize them once you're no longer trying to spread your offense between all of Fields, Gallo and Chandler.

Build the core this year when we have the assets and opportunity for the marque acquisition, then fill in the missing pieces in the off-season and the following year with those far more readily obtainable pieces on the cheap.

Get yourself that fancy racehorse now while you have the funds, you can buy a new saddle next year.

Damn Blue seats another good post... I can't say I agree with all of it, but again, you really make it hard to argue these points.. I must post this you know where if you don't mind.. LOL

thanks

Sure thing, thanks.

rp wrote:Denver wants 5 first round draft picks so there goes our chances lol

http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/news;_ylt=AnOcv0nVTNP_ToaWQDaCa2Y5nYcB?slug=aw-anthonynuggets123010

no way they get that. the nets would be insane to buckle, and all the current rumors show them giving up waaaay too much for this trade.

BRIGGS wrote:

BlueSeats wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:Unless Melo can guard the hoop--he wasnt doing anything that Chandler did not do. Chandler is becoming an NBA multi faceted all star level player

I like Chandler too, but his natural position is SF, same as Melo. It's not like we're losing a irreplaceable part, we'd be upgrading him in the deal with a guy who carried his team to the playoffs at 19.

You also have to be a little wary of guys coming out of MDA's system. I have this feeling that if Chandler were traded to another team his impact could drop considerably. See Q, Marion, Diaw, possibly Frye, etc, for reference.

--Im not giving him up.

With all due respect, you change your mind a lot. Lets talk again if he has a bad game, or we dip below .500

If Gallinari would step up--this wouldn't be a conversation.

if mda was fired this wouldnt be a conversation.

tkf wrote:

MSG3 wrote:

BlueSeats wrote:They get any two of Gallo, Chandler, Fields; plus AR.

No. Either Chandler or Gallo plus Fields, Curry and AR.

but briggs is saying that chandler is head and shoulders better than gallo/ fields(which I think is ridiculous..)... so why would denver not just ask for chandler and other pieces? why?

he's living in fantasy land if he doesn't think DEN will ask for Wilson in any deal for Melo

The Knicks have tough decisions to make. Chandler is having a break out year and he's playing awesome. If the Knicks are serious about targeting Melo in the offseason they should trade Chandler while his value is so high because they are letting him walk for nothing if they are going to max out Melo

Landry Fields was untouchable after a few games of good play and now after a few bad games we can throw him away for a bag of peanut shells. They are gonna want Gallo, WIlson and AR or Fields. I'd push AR and hold onto fields, but either way you do it and get melo. There are available players out there. We can improve the roster if we have a core of Felton, Amare, Melo, Fields.