AnubisADL wrote:Turiaf's role is a big off the bench for 15-20 minutes a night. I actually dont mind him at center for limited minutes.

He's the perfect backup center to someone like Dwight, where he plays and is in the rotation, but for limited minutes. We need a center who can play at least 24 mins a game, that way Turiaf can get his 12 mins per, and Amare can play the remaining 10-12 mins as a center in MDA small ball offense.

Knixkik wrote:

AnubisADL wrote:Turiaf's role is a big off the bench for 15-20 minutes a night. I actually dont mind him at center for limited minutes.

He's the perfect backup center to someone like Dwight, where he plays and is in the rotation, but for limited minutes. We need a center who can play at least 24 mins a game, that way Turiaf can get his 12 mins per, and Amare can play the remaining 10-12 mins as a center in MDA small ball offense.

I think we are going to have to move away from the idea of getting guys that exclusively fit D'Antoni's system. The coach has 1 year left and seems to not care about defense as much as he should. I can see a Phoenix like situation where we just dont offer him an extension if he continues to not emphasize defense.

If we replace him then Amare goes back to PF and we play a traditional center.

cheers wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

cheers wrote:i know for one thing the problem is not turiaf. the miami heat announcers were reciting mda game plan. the reason, he never adjusts it. but smart opposing teams adjust to frankly mda's stale game plan.

ok so mda is gonna have players take a shot within 7 seconds. fine. coach spo is going to have his players take a shot within 6 seconds. are we really going to win going shot for shot with the superfriends? heat announcers mentioned how mda doesnt use his bench much? what did coach spo do? spo played his bench double the amount of minutes mda played his bench. result. a tired amar'e in the fourth, which the miami heat announcers pointed would be the result.

when your game plan is that predictable, that a first year head coach can counter it, its not turiaf's fault.

The Heat have won 15 of 16 and have a much better team than us. There was nothing MDA could do.

15 out of 16 huh. apparently one team beat them. who is to say knicks couldnt have too.

SSOL isnt going to work with superfriends since you cant win going shot for shot with them.. so how about game planning for second chance baskets. you know get somebody the length of ar to clear the offensive glass. how about not having td take so many damn shots, and instead have gallo plus chandler work off each other. how about doing everything possible to save amar'e for the fourth, when you see spo playing his bench so many minutes to tire amar'e out.

game plan instead of being so fug predictable that even a first year head coach can counter you.

I am not a fan of D'Antoni's and I think he has developed a system that requires a minimal amount of work and preperation on his part. Practicing implementing your offense and preaching that other teams have to adjust to what you are doing on offense has some merit but it is far from preparing for individual opponents. The team is having success this year and is entertaining to watch for the first time in years but when weaknesses are mentioned I don't just think of needing a big man and a back up point, I worry that the coach and his approach will never win.

martin wrote:

AnubisADL wrote:

Knixkik wrote:

AnubisADL wrote:Turiaf's role is a big off the bench for 15-20 minutes a night. I actually dont mind him at center for limited minutes.

He's the perfect backup center to someone like Dwight, where he plays and is in the rotation, but for limited minutes. We need a center who can play at least 24 mins a game, that way Turiaf can get his 12 mins per, and Amare can play the remaining 10-12 mins as a center in MDA small ball offense.

I think we are going to have to move away from the idea of getting guys that exclusively fit D'Antoni's system. The coach has 1 year left and seems to not care about defense as much as he should. I can see a Phoenix like situation where we just dont offer him an extension if he continues to not emphasize defense.

If we replace him then Amare goes back to PF and we play a traditional center.

why do you say that? Knicks defense has been getting better throughout the year.

AnubisADL wrote:

Knixkik wrote:

AnubisADL wrote:

Knixkik wrote:

AnubisADL wrote:Turiaf's role is a big off the bench for 15-20 minutes a night. I actually dont mind him at center for limited minutes.

He's the perfect backup center to someone like Dwight, where he plays and is in the rotation, but for limited minutes. We need a center who can play at least 24 mins a game, that way Turiaf can get his 12 mins per, and Amare can play the remaining 10-12 mins as a center in MDA small ball offense.

I think we are going to have to move away from the idea of getting guys that exclusively fit D'Antoni's system. The coach has 1 year left and seems to not care about defense as much as he should. I can see a Phoenix like situation where we just dont offer him an extension if he continues to not emphasize defense.

If we replace him then Amare goes back to PF and we play a traditional center.

We just need to find the center that is the best compromise between MDA's style and what we need to compete for a championship. It won't be as hard to find as most think because it can just be a role player, or someone we can mold to fit that role. Some guys who come to mind are Jason Thompson, Andersen Varejao, and Marcus Camby.

You assume D'Antoni will play those guys.

martin wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

AnubisADL wrote:

Knixkik wrote:

AnubisADL wrote:

Knixkik wrote:

AnubisADL wrote:Turiaf's role is a big off the bench for 15-20 minutes a night. I actually dont mind him at center for limited minutes.

He's the perfect backup center to someone like Dwight, where he plays and is in the rotation, but for limited minutes. We need a center who can play at least 24 mins a game, that way Turiaf can get his 12 mins per, and Amare can play the remaining 10-12 mins as a center in MDA small ball offense.

I think we are going to have to move away from the idea of getting guys that exclusively fit D'Antoni's system. The coach has 1 year left and seems to not care about defense as much as he should. I can see a Phoenix like situation where we just dont offer him an extension if he continues to not emphasize defense.

If we replace him then Amare goes back to PF and we play a traditional center.

We just need to find the center that is the best compromise between MDA's style and what we need to compete for a championship. It won't be as hard to find as most think because it can just be a role player, or someone we can mold to fit that role. Some guys who come to mind are Jason Thompson, Andersen Varejao, and Marcus Camby.

You assume D'Antoni will play those guys.

I think he would play Camby and Varejao but I am not sure about Thompson. I think Walsh needs to be hesitant to acquire any young big man. He needs to get a commitment from the coach that if he brought in a young guy like Thompson that he would play and have consistent minutes.

Walsh should also ask the player if he'll give consistent effort both in practice and on the court. That's important.

tj23 wrote:Turiaf's offense is fine. It's his rebounding that kills us when you put him next to Will, Amare, and Williams. Our rebounding is so weak its unbelievable. No more of this team rebounding talk. We are an atrocious team on the glass. We nearly lost the Chicago game solely because of no boxing out and no one attacking the glass.

CrushAlot wrote:

martin wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

AnubisADL wrote:

Knixkik wrote:

AnubisADL wrote:

Knixkik wrote:

AnubisADL wrote:Turiaf's role is a big off the bench for 15-20 minutes a night. I actually dont mind him at center for limited minutes.

He's the perfect backup center to someone like Dwight, where he plays and is in the rotation, but for limited minutes. We need a center who can play at least 24 mins a game, that way Turiaf can get his 12 mins per, and Amare can play the remaining 10-12 mins as a center in MDA small ball offense.

I think we are going to have to move away from the idea of getting guys that exclusively fit D'Antoni's system. The coach has 1 year left and seems to not care about defense as much as he should. I can see a Phoenix like situation where we just dont offer him an extension if he continues to not emphasize defense.

If we replace him then Amare goes back to PF and we play a traditional center.

We just need to find the center that is the best compromise between MDA's style and what we need to compete for a championship. It won't be as hard to find as most think because it can just be a role player, or someone we can mold to fit that role. Some guys who come to mind are Jason Thompson, Andersen Varejao, and Marcus Camby.

You assume D'Antoni will play those guys.

I think he would play Camby and Varejao but I am not sure about Thompson. I think Walsh needs to be hesitant to acquire any young big man. He needs to get a commitment from the coach that if he brought in a young guy like Thompson that he would play and have consistent minutes.

Walsh should also ask the player if he'll give consistent effort both in practice and on the court. That's important.

Absolutely. Walsh seems to have a habit of getting young bigs under 25 that don't achieve until they leave NY.

really? Like who?