TMS wrote:

FistOfOakley wrote:iggy imo is probably the best realistic option at the moment. but in order for him to have a full impact we'd basically have to give up nobody for him which probably isn't happening.

i'm guessing you're gonna have to give up at least Fields or AR + picks to get him along w/filler contracts to match the dollars... u would only have enough cap space left over to sign 1 midlevel salary type FA though after u make that kind of move, but at least ur not looking at having to unload Turiaf to clear cap space... i still like the Melo option better but i wouldn't be upset if we had to settle for AI2 & a defensive big like Reggie Evans... u might have to still renounce Wilson tho, so it might not be worth the dropoff in production

tms can you imagine how lost iggy would be in this knicks system he would be like what seriously you want me to chuck threes for four quarters did you not see my youtubes who the the fug told you i was a three point champion

tkf wrote:

Juice wrote:

AnubisADL wrote:

TMS wrote:i don't think Wilson has a good enough handle to create shots for himself consistently & become a featured player in this offense... he needs to play more of the Shawn Marion 3rd player type role if anything, getting his points hitting spot up J's, finishing on the break, getting putbacks, alley oop dunks off back door cuts, etc... he also needs to get to the FT line a lot more than he's been doing if he wants to be the 2nd go to guy next to Amare.

That has been Chandler's issue for 3 seasons now. His limited handle limits what he can do in a 1 on 1 situation.

None of our wings can use their dribble consistently when squared up against defense not without a clear open lane. One thing that separates Chandler from the others is the ability to dribble and rise for a midrange jumper. Tonight he was given the lane left took it off the dribble late met by a second defender getting through splits and was able to finish. He also has the the long stride step to clear himself from picking up his dribble early converts pretty consistently here. The another thing he can do better than Fields and Gallo is finish at the rim. Gallo is pretty good at drawing fouls problem with him is the consistency doing it and knowing when. Fields is just a rookie still so his offensive game has room to grow even more than the other two.

I don't know man. gallo did that tonight on wade and with relative ease.. one thing with gallo. either guys are playing off of him andhe can shoot the three, or they are too close and he can take it all the way, like he did vs lebron to night... when they did catch him in between he hit a tough dribble and rise mid range shot over wade.. the thing with gallo is that he rarely has a clear and open lane, but he does a good job creating space with jab steps, and fakes.... one of the things that chandler just does not posess.. chandler does well to score with limited weapons.. and weapons I mean a handle, post game, or ability to go left effectively..

Chandler doesn't necessarily have traditional weapons but he has the spin down pat. He's also improving immensely at getting his man to go for the fake on the 3 and stepping inside for an 18ftr. There isn't a wing on our team who goes left effectively, not one. David Lee was the last player to do it. Hell even Amar'e doesn't go left well. Chandler runs the court very well too that's why he's finishing plays above the rim from lobs. Regardless inside the arc he's clearly better than both of them.

TMS wrote:

FistOfOakley wrote:i'd classify iggy more of a superstar than melo.

not me

Iggy 14 / 6 / 6 - lottery teams
Melo 24 / 8 / 3 - playoffs every year

please don't go down that path of logic. we can compare chris paul and deron williams and melo then if you'd like. or even put derek fisher and robert horry in there.

FistOfOakley wrote:point is... everything is relative in the nba. it's a team sport. good teammates make your team better.

melo has had a lot of good help on his team. has iggy had anyone on the caliber of camby, billups or nene? hell has he had anyone on the caliber of jr smith on his team?

he's not as good of a scorer melo is. not many are. if the goal is to be better offensively, i think iggy fits better because i think in order to be better offensively it is to get gallo/chandler more space to operate and less amar'e iso's. more melo iso's wouldn't be the answer.

u'r seriously not telling me that Allen Iverson doesn't stack up to JR Smith, are you? i hope you're not... & imo Elton Brand stacks up to Nene pretty well actually... i could easily argue that Brand is the better talent... Camby is better than Dalembert i would agree w/that much.

as for the reasons u don't want Melo, i think we've gone through all this before... we have different views on what will improve this team... on Iggy i think we're basically in agreement w/what he would bring to this team, but again, my only concern is what would we have to give up & would Wilson have to be let go as a result? if we're losing Fields & Wilson, i don't think Iggy is worth it... if we could get him w/o giving up our top 3 young guys, then it's obviously a no brainer... just don't see that happening.

TMS wrote:

FistOfOakley wrote:i'd classify iggy more of a superstar than melo.

not me

Iggy 14 / 6 / 6 - lottery teams
Melo 24 / 8 / 3 - playoffs every year

Oakley you are better than that

tkf wrote:

AnubisADL wrote:

TMS wrote:i don't think Wilson has a good enough handle to create shots for himself consistently & become a featured player in this offense... he needs to play more of the Shawn Marion 3rd player type role if anything, getting his points hitting spot up J's, finishing on the break, getting putbacks, alley oop dunks off back door cuts, etc... he also needs to get to the FT line a lot more than he's been doing if he wants to be the 2nd go to guy next to Amare.

That has been Chandler's issue for 3 seasons now. His limited handle limits what he can do in a 1 on 1 situation.

pretty simple to see that.. and honestly, he is much better when he is getting the ball and he doesn't have to make many other decisions.. his handle and inability to finish or use his left limits him..

I am suprised to hear anyone say he is better than gallo.. gallo can really get where he wants to on the court... his first basket of the night was on a dunk going left by leberon... now I know gallo isn't faster than lebron, but how is it that he can beat a lot of guys smaller andquicker than him.. Honestly I would like to see him get more touches.. and for those that keep talking about him and his midrange game.. look at that midranges shot he hit off the dribble tonight.. the kid has a complete game.. knicks need to stop making him a 4th option..

what is best for the knicks is to get a SG like OJ mayo, so he can also run some backup point.. and a big who can start.. fields and chandler off the bench would be great and at this point.. for the knicks..

Papabear Says

We must not be watching the same Wilson Chandler. He is playing better that Gallo and Fields Hands down. I don't like Gallo's disappearing act in some quarters. Chandler will be an Allstar. Not a Wade or Lebrons level yet but in a year he will come close.

OffDaMeterzzzz wrote:Gallo disappears way too much and is inconsistent. I would like to see him have more of a presence by incorporating a mid range game in addition to his 3 point shot. He also needs to get to the FT line much more by taking the ball to the hoop more often and more agressively with his awkward dribble rather than fumbling it out of bounds.

FistOfOakley wrote:gallo has been an efficient scorer despite his bad fg%. he made one REALLY BAD judgment shooting a contested 20 footer against lebron with around 2 minutes remaining but aside from that he has made good decisions with the basketball.

chandler has been the most consistent producer for us so far this season and really started by him making better judgement with the basketball. when he forces perimeter shots he is at his worst but he's cut those down dramatically after he got into the starting lineup.

we're incorporating more and more plays every game. the elbow iso, the top of the key pnr and amar'e off the curl. gallo is a much better ball handler though so i'd like to see him off the elbow and create for amar'e.

Gallo disappears because we are Amare-centric right now. Felton has to control and manage the game a bit more. Felton needs to make sure all players are involved in the offense in the half court set once in awhile. Amare should definitely have the majority of the touches in the half court set but he needs to make sure Gallo/Mayor get some set plays thrown their way. This will not only help Gallo and Chandler but it will help Amare as well. A lot of times Gallo is the safety valve for Amare and he plays that really well but you need to get him comfortable in the half court set when he is called upon. I like that elbow screen they setup for Gallo where he catches on top of the key with Amare ending up in the FT line. A PnR situation with Gallo and Amare there is the best option. Gallo can drive and dunk or pass to Amare for a dunk.

I love Felton and his bulldog tenacity but he forgets to setup Gallo in the halfcourt set sometimes. He does look for him a lot on transition but against the Heat they could not run effectively.