scoshin wrote:
Yup. He's had a tough break his past four years, but let's not forget that Camby was Mr. Glass as well, and no one expected him to be as durable as he is now and still be playing at age 36.

With that said though, Camby was a twig when he was young and filled out. Oden, on the other hand...just seems unnaturally brittle for his size. Reminds me of that movie Unbreakable with Samuel L. Jackson.

there was an article on a blog about Oden before he signed, saying he has this disease, that really big people get that makes their bones brittle and they die young. It like ages them prematurely or something, I don't remember the details, but it had pictures of other people who had it, and they had old looking faces like GO. I was persuaded by that, and this is before he ever played an NBA game. Im inclined to believe its true. And I am not inclined to pay him big money, cuz thats what hes gonna ask for, when he hasn't proven he stay healthy.

Killa4luv wrote:

scoshin wrote:
Yup. He's had a tough break his past four years, but let's not forget that Camby was Mr. Glass as well, and no one expected him to be as durable as he is now and still be playing at age 36.

With that said though, Camby was a twig when he was young and filled out. Oden, on the other hand...just seems unnaturally brittle for his size. Reminds me of that movie Unbreakable with Samuel L. Jackson.

there was an article on a blog about Oden before he signed, saying he has this disease, that really big people get that makes their bones brittle and they die young. It like ages them prematurely or something, I don't remember the details, but it had pictures of other people who had it, and they had old looking faces like GO. I was persuaded by that, and this is before he ever played an NBA game. Im inclined to believe its true. And I am not inclined to pay him big money, cuz thats what hes gonna ask for, when he hasn't proven he stay healthy.

Can you dig up that article? It'd be much appreciated.

If what that article says is true, any slight interest I had in picking up Oden would evaporate. That would totally suck for him, but I hoped he saved his money cause the millions he made even on his rookie contract is more money than a lot of people see in their lifetime.

Finestrg wrote:How 'bout Josh Heytvelt..Remember him from Gonzaga? 6'11" 260 lbs or so -- dude had good size and a pretty good offensive game..He could shoot well with range and also knew how to put the ball in the hole in close. Halfway decent rebounder as well...I think he compares very favorably to Brad Miller..Currently playing somewhere in Turkey -- if his Euro season ends soon and/or he can be bought out of his contract there, I could be interested. I think this kid could help us. He was pretty skilled from what I remember.

Gonzaga has another 7 footer on there roster now, Robert Sacre, that's another decent big man with a pretty good offensive game..

i remember him & i remember we were both discussing him at the draft... he's got good skills for a bigman & i think he could possibly find a role off the bench in this system... guys like him are the types of low risk options that won't effect our cap situation in anyway... there are no downsides to bringing in a guy like this.

Killa4luv wrote:Our needs from a big a limited. Be big. Grab some boards. Block/alter some shots. Put a body on the few centers in this league. Dunk the ball when Felton gives it to you under the basket. Crash the offensive glass. These are guys who do most of those things and are Free Agents.

Nazr Mohammed - We all know and respect him. When he played with Steph he was damn near an all-star. He's an excellent complimentary piece for our style of play. He's my top choice of all of the FA bigs.

Joel Pryzbilla- Big azz dude, blocks shots, grabs boards. Dont know if he can keep up but I know his presence makes a big difference on the defensive end. Haven't seen him play much in the last few years, but I remember his game.

Samuel Dalembert- coming off of a big contract, couldn't realistically be expecting anything close to that, but he's gonna need to be paid there's no question about that. B Locks shots, rebounds, is athletic and could easily finish with Felton dishing it to him (although he doesn't have the best hands). 2 questions are how much will he cost, and is it worth considering his history of injury and inconsistency. He is still under 30 (28 or 29) and could turn into exactly what we need from a big. He's Haitian. Why does this matter? He'd probably be the first Haitian player on the knicks, and that could mean alot for Haitians in the city, which could be a good motivator for him to perform and not disappoint his constituency.

Kwame Brown- I'm probably crazy for mentioning his name, but hes not making much money now and not expected to make much as a free agent either. He's tall athletic, and could fit in as a back up playing 20 minutes a night along with another big or 2 of his calibur.

Etan Thomas- Beast on the boards. A little undersized a on the wrong side of 30. cheap. Progressive politics are a plus. could be a good veteran backup for cheap.

Dan Gadzuric- wrong side of 30. Free agent. Dont know what kind of money he'd be looking for, but he could be a very good backup as well.

Nenad Kristic- Can Score but is not a defender. May not be the perfect fit, but if he could be had relatively cheaply (which I'm not sure he can)

Dalembert, Kwame, Gadzuric I would cross off the list immediately unless you pick them up for the LLE. All those guys are dumb as blocks, never fit into the system.

Nazr gonna be 34 next season and I just don't see him fitting. Maybe he is a better rebounder than Turiaf but what else does he bring? I guess maybe he is OK at $3M mark for me.

I don't know enough about Pryzbilla, but that's cause he has been so injured.

Nenad. Interesting. Would OKC let him walk? Would you give him MORE than the MLE? Cause that's what it would take. But if he doesn't rebound and play D against other big bodies, there are so many players already on the Knicks that would play minutes over him so it's almost a waste.

newyorknewyork wrote:Troy Murphy, he can play center and stretch the floor knocking down the 3 giving Amare space for the P&R with Felton. But most importantly the last 2 yrs before being injured this yr he was #1 and #5 in defensive rebounding. He secures rebounds defensively and spreads the floor offensively.

He also makes 12 million on the last year of his contract. No thanks.

Killa4luv wrote:

newyorknewyork wrote:Troy Murphy, he can play center and stretch the floor knocking down the 3 giving Amare space for the P&R with Felton. But most importantly the last 2 yrs before being injured this yr he was #1 and #5 in defensive rebounding. He secures rebounds defensively and spreads the floor offensively.

He also makes 12 million on the last year of his contract. No thanks.

I was thinking more along the lines of next offseason.

newyorknewyork wrote:

Killa4luv wrote:

newyorknewyork wrote:Troy Murphy, he can play center and stretch the floor knocking down the 3 giving Amare space for the P&R with Felton. But most importantly the last 2 yrs before being injured this yr he was #1 and #5 in defensive rebounding. He secures rebounds defensively and spreads the floor offensively.

He also makes 12 million on the last year of his contract. No thanks.

I was thinking more along the lines of next offseason.

I've got that, but what kind of money would we have to pay him. I assume alot.

orangeblobman wrote:

Killa4luv wrote:

newyorknewyork wrote:

Killa4luv wrote:

newyorknewyork wrote:Troy Murphy, he can play center and stretch the floor knocking down the 3 giving Amare space for the P&R with Felton. But most importantly the last 2 yrs before being injured this yr he was #1 and #5 in defensive rebounding. He secures rebounds defensively and spreads the floor offensively.

He also makes 12 million on the last year of his contract. No thanks.

I was thinking more along the lines of next offseason.

I've got that, but what kind of money would we have to pay him. I assume alot.

You don't have to pay him a lot. He's on the downside of his career and this year has not been good for him. I'll toss him 5 or 6 mil and he's ours. Draining trey buckets.

If thats all it takes I say thats a deal and pull the trigger.

simrud wrote:Troy Muprhy is not a C, not even close!

If you are not satisfied with Amare at C, how can you be ok with Murphy? They guy can shoot and rebound sure, but he is going to get eaten up in the post every game, and is generally not known for his defense.

You might as well consider Chandler your C then.

As for Oden, you would figure NBA teams would pick up on him having a career debilitating disease, no? Maybe he has a mild from of it, at worst. Either way, I'm with VDesai, he will have some 60 game years at some point.

point taken on Troy Murphy, I really don't know much about him, except he's strong, rebounds well and can shoot well.

The reason I started this thread was because we need a big to grab boards. We were killed on the glass AGAIN!!! Big Z was looking like Dwight Howard on us.
We need a big so we don't play so much small ball.

simrud wrote:Troy Muprhy is not a C, not even close!

If you are not satisfied with Amare at C, how can you be ok with Murphy? They guy can shoot and rebound sure, but he is going to get eaten up in the post every game, and is generally not known for his defense.

You might as well consider Chandler your C then.

As for Oden, you would figure NBA teams would pick up on him having a career debilitating disease, no? Maybe he has a mild from of it, at worst. Either way, I'm with VDesai, he will have some 60 game years at some point.

VDesai wrote:Murphy is a really great rebounder. We'd be a lot better with him. Nets are basically wasting the guy. If we could get him on the cheap this year that would really improve our team, even if he's not a defensive monster. His shooting would fit right in, and man he'd help on the boards quite a bit.