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The Miami Heat Ain't No Joke! They have that Killer instinct. How do we beat them?
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loweyecue
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12/26/2010  1:48 PM
Papabear wrote:
knicks1248 wrote:
K22 wrote:
knicks1248 wrote:The lakers look like they were out for a stroll, they played like it was the 1st game of the year..I was watching the Bucks/laker game when they lost by 19, they look the same exact way, NO intrest, No importance, No urgency..Blake is a solid back up, but he stinks defensively.

I wouldn't base much off of this game. The Lakers always put it on cruise control until the 2nd round of the playoffs.

Exactly, to early in the season to make a statement game, when you the champs

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I repeat! The Miami Heat ain't no joke. Say what you want. I don't like the Heat but they will be the team to beat and I don't want us to be like the Michael Jordan days when we could have won 3 rings if it wasn't for Michael Jordan. We never gave Ewing that 2nd super star. We must prepare now to have a team that will be better than the Heat because in the next 5 years they will be the team to beat. Point Blank and if you don't believe that! you have blinders on. Stop taking this threat so lightly. Let's be honest and real.

The Heat are definitely going to be the roadblock for all other ECF teams whatever way you look at it. But the Heat are also very limited in what they can do in long playoff series. One injury to Wade/Bosh and the heat will be little better than the Cleveland Cavs of late. Teams like Lakers and Celtics are really strongly built with a lot of redundancy to get around injury issues to one guy derailing them. The heat has a charmed life and may be they will stay healthy and win titles, may be they wont. Just think of Chris Bosh running full speed in to Bynum and then trying to pick up his own body parts from the floor or Wade being decked by a screen from big baby. As strong as Lebron is even he can't put up 40 points throughout a playoff series.

TKF on Melo ::....he is a punk, a jerk, a self absorbed out of shape, self aggrandizing, unprofessional, volume chucking coach killing playoff loser!!
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12/26/2010  1:51 PM
fishmike wrote:obvious... trade Chandler, Gallo, AR, cash, 2014,2016 first rounders and Fields for Carmelo Anthony

If depleting the roster to get three studs is so foolish why are we (and most teams in the league) even having a conversation about how to beat the Heat?

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12/26/2010  2:03 PM
BlueSeats wrote:
fishmike wrote:obvious... trade Chandler, Gallo, AR, cash, 2014,2016 first rounders and Fields for Carmelo Anthony

If depleting the roster to get three studs is so foolish why are we (and most teams in the league) even having a conversation about how to beat the Heat?

good point.

San Antonio and Dallas are much deeper than the Heat or the Knicks, but lack the star power of the Heat. Do people really see San Antonio or Dallas winning it all? Not sure I even think they have a chance.

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12/26/2010  2:08 PM
BlueSeats wrote:
fishmike wrote:obvious... trade Chandler, Gallo, AR, cash, 2014,2016 first rounders and Fields for Carmelo Anthony

If depleting the roster to get three studs is so foolish why are we (and most teams in the league) even having a conversation about how to beat the Heat?

Not one of the Heat players from the 2009-2010 that were a part of the 'depleting' were of the caliber of Gallinari or Chandler.

WE AIN'T NOWHERE WITH THIS BUM CHOKER IN CARMELO. GIVE ME STARKS'S 2-21 ANY DAY OVER THIS LACKLUSTER CLUSTEREFF.
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12/26/2010  2:14 PM
BlueSeats wrote:
fishmike wrote:obvious... trade Chandler, Gallo, AR, cash, 2014,2016 first rounders and Fields for Carmelo Anthony

If depleting the roster to get three studs is so foolish why are we (and most teams in the league) even having a conversation about how to beat the Heat?


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12/26/2010  2:14 PM
orangeblobman wrote:
BlueSeats wrote:
fishmike wrote:obvious... trade Chandler, Gallo, AR, cash, 2014,2016 first rounders and Fields for Carmelo Anthony

If depleting the roster to get three studs is so foolish why are we (and most teams in the league) even having a conversation about how to beat the Heat?

Not one of the Heat players from the 2009-2010 that were a part of the 'depleting' were of the caliber of Gallinari or Chandler.

That's irrelevant to the point.

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12/26/2010  2:27 PM    LAST EDITED: 12/26/2010  2:29 PM
fishmike wrote:obvious... trade Chandler, Gallo, AR, cash, 2014,2016 first rounders and Fields for Carmelo Anthony

those kinds of comments about us gutting our roster are pretty much worthless... DW has made it clear he's not doing it & no one on this forum is advocating that we do it... other than you trying to annoy people who are in favor of us at least pursuing Melo in a trade do you have anything of value to contribute to this discussion?

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12/26/2010  2:30 PM
crzymdups wrote:
BlueSeats wrote:
fishmike wrote:obvious... trade Chandler, Gallo, AR, cash, 2014,2016 first rounders and Fields for Carmelo Anthony

If depleting the roster to get three studs is so foolish why are we (and most teams in the league) even having a conversation about how to beat the Heat?

good point.

San Antonio and Dallas are much deeper than the Heat or the Knicks, but lack the star power of the Heat. Do people really see San Antonio or Dallas winning it all? Not sure I even think they have a chance.


If either of those teams meet the Heat in the finals their depth could be a huge factor. The Laker game scared me but I think in a seven game series a lot can happen.
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12/26/2010  2:30 PM    LAST EDITED: 12/26/2010  2:32 PM
BlueSeats wrote:
orangeblobman wrote:
BlueSeats wrote:
fishmike wrote:obvious... trade Chandler, Gallo, AR, cash, 2014,2016 first rounders and Fields for Carmelo Anthony

If depleting the roster to get three studs is so foolish why are we (and most teams in the league) even having a conversation about how to beat the Heat?

Not one of the Heat players from the 2009-2010 that were a part of the 'depleting' were of the caliber of Gallinari or Chandler.

That's irrelevant to the point.

It's really not. One depletion is not equal to another. If 'depleting' your roster means getting rid of, let's say, a Brad Lohaus versus getting rid of a Danilo Gallinari, then that can't be an equal depletion.

WE AIN'T NOWHERE WITH THIS BUM CHOKER IN CARMELO. GIVE ME STARKS'S 2-21 ANY DAY OVER THIS LACKLUSTER CLUSTEREFF.
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12/26/2010  2:57 PM
fishmike wrote:obvious... trade Chandler, Gallo, AR, cash, 2014,2016 first rounders and Fields for Carmelo Anthony

thank god you have the sense to hold onto curry.

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12/26/2010  3:26 PM
The Heat have trouble when you have a guy that can breakdown a defense just like they have with Bron and Wade. This is the reason why you'd want to add a guy like Melo or even Ellis. You want a guy that is nearly impossible to guard so that it breaks down their D which when it's set is very tough to beat. They swarm to the ball so quickly once a player puts the ball on the floor. They also recover very quickly if you pass the ball, but you have to do that and then attack as well. You can't just pass the ball around the perimeter against the Heat. They're too quick.

So adding Melo could actually be a huge improvement in going against the Heat. If you're only losing one starter then I don't see the issue. If it's gonna be Gallo and Chan then it's a tougher sell, but you would have to promote a guy like walker into the rotation and give Williams more of a look. It's still doable.

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12/26/2010  3:27 PM
Marv wrote:
fishmike wrote:obvious... trade Chandler, Gallo, AR, cash, 2014,2016 first rounders and Fields for Carmelo Anthony

thank god you have the sense to hold onto curry.

ROFL!!! Cuz we need him! ROFL!!!

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12/26/2010  4:48 PM
nixluva wrote:
JrZyHuStLa wrote:I think Boston takes care of them in the postseason.

When healthy Boston does what I was describing in my earlier post. They come at you from all angles. They have so much talent that the Heat can't do what they like to do, which is mob the area you send the ball to. They move so fast that they can clog an area of the floor and still move back to the other side if you pass the ball. They never fully commit, but they shift from one side of the paint to the other and make it impossible to drive. The thing is that Boston has Ray and Pierce and they run Ray like crazy looking for the 3 and that is something the Heat D is not designed to stop. Then if they do, it leaves Pierce and KG open. So that is something different that they do which many teams don't have.

Compare that to our offense which has a lot of stand still shooters and a PnR up top. They can just run their D and it works against us. We have to run some of our other plays that have more motion. If we do that they won't be able to just clog the paint area. If we hit from outside that's another thing they can't stop. We shot poorly that game against them and so we looked lost, but if we were hitting those 3's it would've been a different story.

boston is the one team i was thinking about. they have had problems with this team all year. orlando is another team with the changes.

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12/26/2010  5:32 PM
TheSage wrote:Put AR on him with one job-stay with him-if he goes potty-hand him the paper. If he gets the ball inside everyone except Amare on Bosh and Felton on Wade makes believe he is a punching bag-let someone else beat us. No permitting him inside with less than two men on him.

Good idea, his man was allowing him to shoot the 3 pt shot like it was a foul shot. The extra height and speed will make it a difficult look. Also put Gallo on Bosh. No easy looks or dump downs for easy buckets. We'll have to keep TD on Wade to frustrate his dribble, forcing him to take the outside shot instead of driving thru the lane. Limit their activity in the lane. Our weakside help should get a few timely blocks. The Heat can be beat

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12/26/2010  5:41 PM
nixluva wrote:The Lakers lost cuz they didn't adjust to the Heat D or O. The Heat are VERY fast and aggressive in attacking whoever has the ball. So as soon as you give it to Kobe they shift en masse to his side and prevent him from driving and his man gets up close on him to make shooting difficult, so you end up not getting anything out of that possession but a bad shot.

This is how you have to beat them. Your offense has to move quick and not just stand around. If you have a lot of motion and if you attack at the same time they can't decide who to guard as a group and it messes up their D. Also you need to run and get a lot of early offense. So you must play good D and get out and run.

Passing the ball to a big is good, but then you have to run cutters off of that, cuz they will look to mob your big. Also you really have to hit your 3's. That's the one weakness in their D, cuz you really can't double a guy or pressure him out at the 3pt line. The PnR is hard to run against them, but the PnP is probably gonna be more successful. Since they defend in packs you want to trick them into defending one side and then have a back cut from the other side right at the hoop.

In short misdirection is the key to beating the Heat. Also on D you must have guys that can stay in front of their very fast killers, Lebron and Wade. If not then you need to also pack the paint so they can't get to the hole. Make them take contested jumpers. Keep a man on Bosh, cuz he just stands there and cleans up on open jumpers all day.

Good observations Nix. I think more penetration by Chandler will loosen them up. The last time we played, Amar'e was double and triple teamed, several time resulting in a turnover. They look like they have Amar'e rules, with excessive holds and fouls on him. Also, Williams ang Gallo should play important roles in the offense, spreading the floor with the corner 3's.

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12/26/2010  5:43 PM
cheers wrote:
fishmike wrote:obvious... trade Chandler, Gallo, AR, cash, 2014,2016 first rounders and Fields for Carmelo Anthony

^ this

Nothing to Cheer about

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12/26/2010  7:41 PM    LAST EDITED: 12/26/2010  7:43 PM
Knicks are not going to beat the Heat until Chandler and Gallo step up and say F' LeBron and Wade they can't stop me. Guys I don't know if that day will ever come. With Melo you know he thinks he belongs in elite group of players and guys that is very hard to teach.
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12/26/2010  7:48 PM
Vmart wrote:Knicks are not going to beat the Heat until Chandler and Gallo step up and say F' LeBron and Wade they can't stop me. Guys I don't know if that day will ever come. With Melo you know he thinks he belongs in elite group of players and guys that is very hard to teach.

I'm tellin you that they don't fear the Heat like that. Just watch the 1st half and you can tell that the Knicks are a confident bunch, they just GASSED. Miami caught us at the end of a brutal schedule and an emotional wave that lasted for a few games. We just flat lost the energy level to keep up. I don't expect that to happen again. If it does then i'll concede that we can't play with those guys. Right now I don't feel that way.

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12/26/2010  7:55 PM
nixluva wrote:
Vmart wrote:Knicks are not going to beat the Heat until Chandler and Gallo step up and say F' LeBron and Wade they can't stop me. Guys I don't know if that day will ever come. With Melo you know he thinks he belongs in elite group of players and guys that is very hard to teach.

I'm tellin you that they don't fear the Heat like that. Just watch the 1st half and you can tell that the Knicks are a confident bunch, they just GASSED. Miami caught us at the end of a brutal schedule and an emotional wave that lasted for a few games. We just flat lost the energy level to keep up. I don't expect that to happen again. If it does then i'll concede that we can't play with those guys. Right now I don't feel that way.

Your just being a fan and want to believe. Reality is that Miami turned it up on the Knicks and that was that. They were gassed for other reason also, mental fatigue.

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12/26/2010  8:10 PM
Vmart wrote:
nixluva wrote:
Vmart wrote:Knicks are not going to beat the Heat until Chandler and Gallo step up and say F' LeBron and Wade they can't stop me. Guys I don't know if that day will ever come. With Melo you know he thinks he belongs in elite group of players and guys that is very hard to teach.

I'm tellin you that they don't fear the Heat like that. Just watch the 1st half and you can tell that the Knicks are a confident bunch, they just GASSED. Miami caught us at the end of a brutal schedule and an emotional wave that lasted for a few games. We just flat lost the energy level to keep up. I don't expect that to happen again. If it does then i'll concede that we can't play with those guys. Right now I don't feel that way.

Your just being a fan and want to believe. Reality is that Miami turned it up on the Knicks and that was that. They were gassed for other reason also, mental fatigue.


The Knicks haven't been that out of any game they've played against other top teams. I just get the feeling that they didn't have it and the Heat were able to as you say turn it up and the Knicks didn't have the juice to respond. Right now the team is much stronger than they were at that point. I'm not saying they'll win, just that it should'nt be anything like the last game where we got blownout in the 2nd half like that.

The Heat have a very solid defense in terms of stopping teams from scoring inside. You can't easily penetrate cuz they clog the paint and rotate towards the ball. Thus IMO you have to keep them guessing as to what you want to do. Your offense has to be one filled with motion. If you stagnate they will shut you down. You have to trust in your jump shooting too. They aren't really designed to stop you from hitting 3's. but if you throw it inside they swarm the ball and make it impossible to score easily inside.

You need to keep them moving tho and get into your offense as early as possible. They like to double the PG and do anything to slow down your offense. They just have a great defensive group in terms of moving to the ball. They can close on a post and recover better then any team i've seen in a long time. This means we have to push the ball at all times. Keep them off balance.

The Miami Heat Ain't No Joke! They have that Killer instinct. How do we beat them?

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