martin wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:Deandre Jordan this year when playing more than 30 minutes

7 games
33 min 14 pts 13 reb 1 as 3 steals 2 blocks
32 min 12 points 8 rebounds 1 as 2 steals 0 blocks
34 min 4 points 13 rebounds 1 as 0 steals 3 blocks
31 min 9 points 11 rebounds 0 1 steal 1 block
32 min 10 points 14 rebounds 0 a 2 steal 4 blocks
35 min 15 points 6 re 0 0 ste 4 blocks
30 min 4 pts 5 reb 1 1 2
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avg 33min 9.8 points 10 rebounds .6 as 1.2 steals 2.4 blocks FG 68%

This is pretty much what Tyson Chandler is on pace for. And Jordan is 22.

I think the biggest concern with acquiring Jordan is that D'Antoni probably would not play him.

why?

CrushAlot wrote:

martin wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:Deandre Jordan this year when playing more than 30 minutes

7 games
33 min 14 pts 13 reb 1 as 3 steals 2 blocks
32 min 12 points 8 rebounds 1 as 2 steals 0 blocks
34 min 4 points 13 rebounds 1 as 0 steals 3 blocks
31 min 9 points 11 rebounds 0 1 steal 1 block
32 min 10 points 14 rebounds 0 a 2 steal 4 blocks
35 min 15 points 6 re 0 0 ste 4 blocks
30 min 4 pts 5 reb 1 1 2
------------------------------------------------------
avg 33min 9.8 points 10 rebounds .6 as 1.2 steals 2.4 blocks FG 68%

This is pretty much what Tyson Chandler is on pace for. And Jordan is 22.

I think the biggest concern with acquiring Jordan is that D'Antoni probably would not play him.

why?

Because he doesn't always play young guys. Jordan is exactly the type that gets benched and forgotten about by D'Antoni. He has talent, and upside but is far from a finished product and makes some mistakes. He would need patience, guidance and playing time to keep improving. So far those guys haven't worked out with this coach.

you still on that shtick? All because of AR and maybe Hill?

You mean coach won't play guys like TD, Williams or Fields? They still make mistakes, young and far from finished products.... and they all play.

If you want to tell us that you think Jordan is not very high IQ guy, then so be it. If that is the case, then Donnie won't bother to sign him as a FA.

93BUICK wrote:I still think it's early in the season, and AR might get it together, at least enough to raise his value. AR at any good level is better and more fun than all these other options. PATIENCE.

BRIGGS wrote:Curry Randolph cash--for Dalembart?

blah, Dalembert is dumb as rocks.

TheGame wrote:Kings are not trading Landry for Randolph unless they know they have no hope of resigning Landry. Landry is much better than Randolph and he is also fairly young.

I am gonna guess that Landry is gone from the Kings. That team sucks and is in disarray.

BRIGGS wrote:

arkrud wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:Lets help out team win this year-- and get rid of cap. No projects--I have to think a developing team like Sacramento would be more interested in Randolph than an ending contract.

Or Grant Hill from Pheonix--maybe Phoenix wants to rebuild--contract match. I think there has to be a quality trade out there that nets us assets for this year player and next year cap with randolph.

Hill and Nash for AR and fat man contract. Anf fck Melo.

Can we spend 20mm next year getting better value than Carmelo Anthony for this team--answer YES. 3 good players 6.5X3 3mm

Grant Hill(2 years 7mm)Back up PG age 37
Glenn Davis (5 years 32.5mm) F age 24
Tayshaun Prince(4 years 26.5mm)6th man age 30
Deandre Jordan (5 years 35 mm) C age 22
Wilson Chandler 6 years 45mm) age 23

Line up

Amare Stouedmire 6-10
Wislon Chandler 6-8
Danillo Gallinari 6-10
Landry Fields 6-7
Ray Felton 6-0
Deandre Jordan 6-11
Glenn Davis 6-8
Tayshaun Prince 6-9
Grant Hill 6-8

Where is the trophy?

This team doesn't beat Boston or Miami in a 7 game series. And thats why we need melo, and a real big center. And some complimentary pieces that make sense.

martin wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

martin wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

martin wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:Deandre Jordan this year when playing more than 30 minutes

7 games
33 min 14 pts 13 reb 1 as 3 steals 2 blocks
32 min 12 points 8 rebounds 1 as 2 steals 0 blocks
34 min 4 points 13 rebounds 1 as 0 steals 3 blocks
31 min 9 points 11 rebounds 0 1 steal 1 block
32 min 10 points 14 rebounds 0 a 2 steal 4 blocks
35 min 15 points 6 re 0 0 ste 4 blocks
30 min 4 pts 5 reb 1 1 2
------------------------------------------------------
avg 33min 9.8 points 10 rebounds .6 as 1.2 steals 2.4 blocks FG 68%

This is pretty much what Tyson Chandler is on pace for. And Jordan is 22.

I think the biggest concern with acquiring Jordan is that D'Antoni probably would not play him.

why?

Because he doesn't always play young guys. Jordan is exactly the type that gets benched and forgotten about by D'Antoni. He has talent, and upside but is far from a finished product and makes some mistakes. He would need patience, guidance and playing time to keep improving. So far those guys haven't worked out with this coach.

you still on that shtick? All because of AR and maybe Hill?

You mean coach won't play guys like TD, Williams or Fields? They still make mistakes, young and far from finished products.... and they all play.

If you want to tell us that you think Jordan is not very high IQ guy, then so be it. If that is the case, then Donnie won't bother to sign him as a FA.

I am just going by past practice. Douglas and Hill rotted on the bench last year. Douglas didn't get minutes until the March road trip when Walsh traveled with the team. You are right we have been through all of this before in regards to Douglas. The only explanation that you gave as why he didn't play up until that time was that he might not have been ready despite being known as an extremely hard worker, and playing behind Chris Duhon on a 29 win team going nowhere. There has never been any real explanation as to why Douglas had so many dnps last year. If you don't think Walsh needs to consider the fact that guys he acquired because he thought would help the team,Hill, Douglas, Darko, Randolph... could not get playing time from D'Antoni when he looks at making trades, I think you are wrong.

i think you have a mental block some how. And you aren't going by past practice, you keep bringing up JUST TD and Hill like those are the ONLY 2 young guys that falls into the same circumstance. Hill come into camp out of shape and hurt. Douglas was a shooting guard who looked awful as a PG during SL and early season (and still does this year at times). Darko actually came out and admitted he gave up and didn't practice hard. AR got playing time but the team went 3-8 during that time and MDA changed the rotation, went on a gigantic winning streak and you are implying that coach should reinsert bad player to satisfy YOUR curiosity.

Did you forget those things? Do you ever even acknowledge them? Do you think that the last 2 years were complete and utter cluster****s because of the circumstance of trying to get under the cap? Do you think it would be the same if MDA and Walsh had hindsight?

Look at Oklahoma. They have drafted Mullins 2 years ago #24, zero playing time. They drafted pretty polished Cole Aldrich #11 and he isn't getting ANY playing time even when Nenad Krstic went down with injury. Sometimes there are just not good situations for getting EVERY young player involved. You just can't do it.

Making a generalization that is completely off base is just being lazy man.

You know what. Gallo got a lot of playing time, so did Chandler. Both young guys. Both Lee and Chandler got DNP's during their first year... who cares.

Aside from one game during the 11 games Randolph got to play in consecutive games he averaged under 9 minutes a game and every minute was scrutinized by the coach. Randolph made some mistakes but for whatever reason, he was the guy that always got screamed at. I mentioned it back at training camp and possibly before that he was going to be this years guy to banished.

I think that Darko comment is misleading as well. I think he knew where he stood with his coach and knew that he wasn't going to be playing so he gave up.

I think Walsh and D'Antoni have not been on the same page with a lot of players. It is not just a Dougla, Hill thing. Last year there were a lot of guys that were in D'Antoni's dog house. The reason I bring up Hill and Douglas is because the coach spent 2/3 of the season talking about trying to make the playoffs and not playing the first round picks.

CrushAlot wrote:

martin wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

martin wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

martin wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:Deandre Jordan this year when playing more than 30 minutes

7 games
33 min 14 pts 13 reb 1 as 3 steals 2 blocks
32 min 12 points 8 rebounds 1 as 2 steals 0 blocks
34 min 4 points 13 rebounds 1 as 0 steals 3 blocks
31 min 9 points 11 rebounds 0 1 steal 1 block
32 min 10 points 14 rebounds 0 a 2 steal 4 blocks
35 min 15 points 6 re 0 0 ste 4 blocks
30 min 4 pts 5 reb 1 1 2
------------------------------------------------------
avg 33min 9.8 points 10 rebounds .6 as 1.2 steals 2.4 blocks FG 68%

This is pretty much what Tyson Chandler is on pace for. And Jordan is 22.

I think the biggest concern with acquiring Jordan is that D'Antoni probably would not play him.

why?

Because he doesn't always play young guys. Jordan is exactly the type that gets benched and forgotten about by D'Antoni. He has talent, and upside but is far from a finished product and makes some mistakes. He would need patience, guidance and playing time to keep improving. So far those guys haven't worked out with this coach.

you still on that shtick? All because of AR and maybe Hill?

You mean coach won't play guys like TD, Williams or Fields? They still make mistakes, young and far from finished products.... and they all play.

If you want to tell us that you think Jordan is not very high IQ guy, then so be it. If that is the case, then Donnie won't bother to sign him as a FA.

I am just going by past practice. Douglas and Hill rotted on the bench last year. Douglas didn't get minutes until the March road trip when Walsh traveled with the team. You are right we have been through all of this before in regards to Douglas. The only explanation that you gave as why he didn't play up until that time was that he might not have been ready despite being known as an extremely hard worker, and playing behind Chris Duhon on a 29 win team going nowhere. There has never been any real explanation as to why Douglas had so many dnps last year. If you don't think Walsh needs to consider the fact that guys he acquired because he thought would help the team,Hill, Douglas, Darko, Randolph... could not get playing time from D'Antoni when he looks at making trades, I think you are wrong.

i think you have a mental block some how. And you aren't going by past practice, you keep bringing up JUST TD and Hill like those are the ONLY 2 young guys that falls into the same circumstance. Hill come into camp out of shape and hurt. Douglas was a shooting guard who looked awful as a PG during SL and early season (and still does this year at times). Darko actually came out and admitted he gave up and didn't practice hard. AR got playing time but the team went 3-8 during that time and MDA changed the rotation, went on a gigantic winning streak and you are implying that coach should reinsert bad player to satisfy YOUR curiosity.

Did you forget those things? Do you ever even acknowledge them? Do you think that the last 2 years were complete and utter cluster****s because of the circumstance of trying to get under the cap? Do you think it would be the same if MDA and Walsh had hindsight?

Look at Oklahoma. They have drafted Mullins 2 years ago #24, zero playing time. They drafted pretty polished Cole Aldrich #11 and he isn't getting ANY playing time even when Nenad Krstic went down with injury. Sometimes there are just not good situations for getting EVERY young player involved. You just can't do it.

Making a generalization that is completely off base is just being lazy man.

You know what. Gallo got a lot of playing time, so did Chandler. Both young guys. Both Lee and Chandler got DNP's during their first year... who cares.

If someone doesn't agree with your take on things they have a mental block?

Aside from one game during the 11 games Randolph got to play in consecutive games he averaged under 9 minutes a game and every minute was scrutinized by the coach. Randolph made some mistakes but for whatever reason, he was the guy that always got screamed at. I mentioned it back at training camp and possibly before that he was going to be this years guy to banished.

I think that Darko comment is misleading as well. I think he knew where he stood with his coach and knew that he wasn't going to be playing so he gave up.

I think Walsh and D'Antoni have not been on the same page with a lot of players. It is not just a Dougla, Hill thing. Last year there were a lot of guys that were in D'Antoni's dog house. The reason I bring up Hill and Douglas is because the coach spent 2/3 of the season talking about trying to make the playoffs and not playing the first round picks.

why aren't you pining for Mason Jr. to play? Both he and AR had the same chance and they both sucked ass when given time.

Let's be clear: EVERY time AR played, the Knicks got beaten out on the court... and you want to play him more? It's the same with Mason, and that's the reason you don't see either play.

And you can't really argue he was doing much more than chucking: 28% shooting. BLAH.

Crush, who are you going to take minutes away from: Turiaf, Chandler, Amare. Those are the guys that play PF/SF. Who?

martin wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

martin wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

martin wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

martin wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:Deandre Jordan this year when playing more than 30 minutes

7 games
33 min 14 pts 13 reb 1 as 3 steals 2 blocks
32 min 12 points 8 rebounds 1 as 2 steals 0 blocks
34 min 4 points 13 rebounds 1 as 0 steals 3 blocks
31 min 9 points 11 rebounds 0 1 steal 1 block
32 min 10 points 14 rebounds 0 a 2 steal 4 blocks
35 min 15 points 6 re 0 0 ste 4 blocks
30 min 4 pts 5 reb 1 1 2
------------------------------------------------------
avg 33min 9.8 points 10 rebounds .6 as 1.2 steals 2.4 blocks FG 68%

This is pretty much what Tyson Chandler is on pace for. And Jordan is 22.

I think the biggest concern with acquiring Jordan is that D'Antoni probably would not play him.

why?

Because he doesn't always play young guys. Jordan is exactly the type that gets benched and forgotten about by D'Antoni. He has talent, and upside but is far from a finished product and makes some mistakes. He would need patience, guidance and playing time to keep improving. So far those guys haven't worked out with this coach.

you still on that shtick? All because of AR and maybe Hill?

You mean coach won't play guys like TD, Williams or Fields? They still make mistakes, young and far from finished products.... and they all play.

If you want to tell us that you think Jordan is not very high IQ guy, then so be it. If that is the case, then Donnie won't bother to sign him as a FA.

I am just going by past practice. Douglas and Hill rotted on the bench last year. Douglas didn't get minutes until the March road trip when Walsh traveled with the team. You are right we have been through all of this before in regards to Douglas. The only explanation that you gave as why he didn't play up until that time was that he might not have been ready despite being known as an extremely hard worker, and playing behind Chris Duhon on a 29 win team going nowhere. There has never been any real explanation as to why Douglas had so many dnps last year. If you don't think Walsh needs to consider the fact that guys he acquired because he thought would help the team,Hill, Douglas, Darko, Randolph... could not get playing time from D'Antoni when he looks at making trades, I think you are wrong.

i think you have a mental block some how. And you aren't going by past practice, you keep bringing up JUST TD and Hill like those are the ONLY 2 young guys that falls into the same circumstance. Hill come into camp out of shape and hurt. Douglas was a shooting guard who looked awful as a PG during SL and early season (and still does this year at times). Darko actually came out and admitted he gave up and didn't practice hard. AR got playing time but the team went 3-8 during that time and MDA changed the rotation, went on a gigantic winning streak and you are implying that coach should reinsert bad player to satisfy YOUR curiosity.

Did you forget those things? Do you ever even acknowledge them? Do you think that the last 2 years were complete and utter cluster****s because of the circumstance of trying to get under the cap? Do you think it would be the same if MDA and Walsh had hindsight?

Look at Oklahoma. They have drafted Mullins 2 years ago #24, zero playing time. They drafted pretty polished Cole Aldrich #11 and he isn't getting ANY playing time even when Nenad Krstic went down with injury. Sometimes there are just not good situations for getting EVERY young player involved. You just can't do it.

Making a generalization that is completely off base is just being lazy man.

You know what. Gallo got a lot of playing time, so did Chandler. Both young guys. Both Lee and Chandler got DNP's during their first year... who cares.

If someone doesn't agree with your take on things they have a mental block?

Aside from one game during the 11 games Randolph got to play in consecutive games he averaged under 9 minutes a game and every minute was scrutinized by the coach. Randolph made some mistakes but for whatever reason, he was the guy that always got screamed at. I mentioned it back at training camp and possibly before that he was going to be this years guy to banished.

I think that Darko comment is misleading as well. I think he knew where he stood with his coach and knew that he wasn't going to be playing so he gave up.

I think Walsh and D'Antoni have not been on the same page with a lot of players. It is not just a Dougla, Hill thing. Last year there were a lot of guys that were in D'Antoni's dog house. The reason I bring up Hill and Douglas is because the coach spent 2/3 of the season talking about trying to make the playoffs and not playing the first round picks.

why aren't you pining for Mason Jr. to play? Both he and AR had the same chance and they both sucked ass when given time.

Let's be clear: EVERY time AR played, the Knicks got beaten out on the court... and you want to play him more? It's the same with Mason, and that's the reason you don't see either play.

And you can't really argue he was doing much more than chucking: 28% shooting. BLAH.

Crush, who are you going to take minutes away from: Turiaf, Chandler, Amare. Those are the guys that play PF/SF. Who?

I think Mason is done. I don't think he has ever recovered from his wrist injury. I would imagine if he was shooting the lights out in practice it would be reported.

As far as minutes for Randolph, I think he should be given the 9-11 minutes Mosgov was getting. I think Turiaf needs to have his minutes limited somewhat or else he breaks down. Having Turiaf healthy and productive on the court makes a huge difference for the Knicks. I think a minute or two more of rest for Stoudamire and Chandler would probably help them. I think when you need a big and you have a 21 year old former lottery pick on your bench you try to work him in and hope with consistent minutes his play improves.